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The Time is Now For a New Quarterback

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On 10/5/2021 at 8:45 AM, Just Ducky said:

I know that it seems like AB is getting credit for his running ability. In reality if you look at his runs there are huge holes for him to advance the ball. I will give credit for him finding those wholes but that’s where it stops. The majority of those yard are attributed to some outstanding blocks by receivers, tight ends, and OL. 

I do believe that the other QBs in the stable could do the same or even better.

 

Time to make the switch.

 

Yeah, it's hard to believe that the other qb's could be worse. With inexperienced qb's you do have to worry about turnovers, but that's a risk they need to take. 

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On 10/5/2021 at 9:35 AM, Charles Fischer said:

 

He certainly hasn't listened to me about the offense for the last three years--despite what his mentor and the rest of the "Playoff-3" who win the most do!

 

Now us men all know how our significant other feels! : )

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On 10/5/2021 at 10:09 AM, UtahDuck said:

I'll argue two things.

 

1. I completely understand why the coaches played him to start the season. As bad as some of his reads were against stanford, he has only thrown one INT all season and that is what oregon needed to beat  Ohio state. 

2. With that said we absolutely need a qb change, I can handle Freshman making the mistakes that brown is making but seeing a 6th year senior making the mistakes that he is atrocious. 

 

As a slightly off point but still relevant, I really don't think OC's should be the QB coach as well. I just think there's too much fineese needed in the position to adequately coach QB's and direct an offense. I often think of the high points of the kelly and helfrich era. Because while technically Helfrich was the OC for Oregon he wasn't the play caller and probably had way more time than the average OC to coach his QB's. The same could be said as Helfrich moved over to HC, He became the play caller while frost was the QB coach/OC.

 

As a final point of Dakota Prukop played significantly better through his 4.5 games before getting pulled against washington state. He had a much better completion percentage and a better passer rating. while his TD/INT ratio wasn't amazing it was passable and oregon wasn't losing games due to his capabilities(the defense couldn't stop anything). I have know idea if the freshman are better than brown but at this point they deserve the shot because I will always be willing to lose a game because of a rookie qb vs an old one. 

 

Good points.... the way I look at it is that Brown has had his chance and it is pretty clear that the Ducks are not getting better under him and that they'll stay mediocre. So may as well play the young guns. At best they lead the Ducks to an 11-1 season, at worst they lose games as they Ducks will with Brown, but they get experience for the future. 

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I keep coming back to the decision is based on more of an adults risk to reward equation. The risk still is greater picking one of the young guns to run the offense than just staying with the guy who has made few massively impactful mistakes.

 

I get it, we as fans want the points, the passes, the decision making, we have had it so many times before, we expect that type of performance from our qb. The problem as I see it is TT came in and threw some bombs to nowhere the last time he played. Maybe he and Butterfield just aren't ready for primetime?

 

We have to trust the coaches and wish the best for AB. I also hope we get to see some real playing time for our backups in this next game. It better not be another play down to the competition, but it might be.

 

Full disclosure I was rooting for Cristobal to pick one of the young ones as a starter this spring, so I get the angst.

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Totally agree with the title of the article but I don't think it's going to happen.

 

I think Coach is loyal (and possibly stubborn) almost to a fault. Though he did start to transition away from Shough last year, but he still didn't make the leap to Brown entirely.

 

Without a doubt the right move is to go to Thompson first and see if he can get up to speed. If not then give Butter's a try.

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On 10/5/2021 at 2:15 PM, C J said:

Totally agree with the title of the article but I don't think it's going to happen.

 

I think Coach is loyal (and possibly stubborn) almost to a fault. Though he did start to transition away from Shough last year, but he still didn't make the leap to Brown entirely.

 

Without a doubt the right move is to go to Thompson first and see if he can get up to speed. If not then give Butter's a try.

 

I would hope that Moorhead has an equal or greater say in who starts at QB? If not, why pay a guy $1M a year to be the OC?

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Let’s be honest here. If AB was a quality QB he would already be making money in a pro league somewhere. That alone is a blinking yellow light. 

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Pretty darn good (and damning) analysis of AB's bad decisions over at one of those other sites:

 

https://247sports.com/college/oregon/LongFormArticle/Mackinations-Identifying-Anthony-Browns-decision-making-shortcomings-172427348/

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It's really unfortunate Moorhead is out of commision as the bye period starts.  I just don't see a quarterback change occurring without him present to make it happen.  Wish I knew how long he'll be away .  With Cal, we could use two quarterbacks and let Brown anf TT play half the game each to ease TT into game situations, but I doubt they'll do that.

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On 10/5/2021 at 12:22 PM, jrw said:

Pretty darn good (and damning) analysis of AB's bad decisions over at one of those other sites:

 

This is an extraordinarily good analysis of so many plays that if half are done correctly--Oregon rolls on.  I cannot believe that, 1) Brown is this bad, and 2) that the freshmen QBs could not do as good or better.

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On 10/5/2021 at 12:38 PM, Charles Fischer said:

 

This is an extraordinarily good analysis of so many plays that if half are done correctly--Oregon rolls on.  I cannot believe that, 1) Brown is this bad, and 2) that the freshmen QBs could not do as good or better.

It makes one wonder, what was he thinking? I mean when you have options, and you don't see how bad the option you are choosing is, what are you looking at? It also makes one think AB's self analysis was spot on, unfortunately.

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I suppose next critical question is, if none of the backups are better than AB who is going to lead us next year? We better have somebody who reads a defense, throws, and makes decisions better than AB or we are in trouble next season.

 

It is time to find out if one of these guys is a better game time qb than AB. Anthony undoubtedly proved to be a better practice qb. Mr. Brown was able to become a leader before the season began. He has proven he can't lead this team to its' potential come game time, as the season has progressed.

 

We need to find out if somebody else is a better game time qb. Some guys just light up when the whistle blows and other wilt. We need somebody who can light it up and keep it lit! If our next great qb isn't on the sideline, I suppose we have to wait for Tanner Bailey, and that won't be until next year. I have to believe one of these guys on the sideline is our guy, we just have to give him a shot, sooner than later.

 

After looking at the analysis of AB's decision making, the one turnover doesn't matter. AB cost us the game with his inability to lead this team with his decision making process. We can't have that happening again with the guy who makes those choices every time he touches the ball. Turnovers are killers, but decisions are also a silent killer, often overlooked when you are the man with the ball.

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On 10/5/2021 at 3:38 PM, Charles Fischer said:

 

This is an extraordinarily good analysis of so many plays that if half are done correctly--Oregon rolls on.  I cannot believe that, 1) Brown is this bad, and 2) that the freshmen QBs could not do as good or better.

 

I agree Charles. But he is more or less playing at the same level he has played at his entire CFB career.

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On 10/5/2021 at 4:09 PM, Jon Joseph said:

he is more or less playing at the same level he has played at his entire CFB career.

 

I think he is playing a lot worse that what I saw last year, and cannot imagine him playing this badly at BC and holding his position?

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On 10/5/2021 at 5:55 AM, Better Duck said:

 The Ducks are getting killed in the trenches on both side of the ball.

That is not what I have been seeing.  Look at the second half vs Stanford.  Ducks were dominating the line. In other games, it has been back and forth. Ducks did well on the line vs Ohio St, and they have top linemen. 

 

On offense, the downfield passing threat does not exist, so teams load up and stop the run. 

On defense, many players have been out, so watch that the next few weeks - it should get better. 

 

You can't blame either situation on the players.

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On 10/5/2021 at 7:01 AM, Jon Joseph said:

Ohio State has made changes. It demoted its DC and changed up the starting personnel. In other words, Ryan Day seeing a weakness did not stand pat, he made necessary changes.

 

Brown has hit his ceiling. The ceiling he had coming into 2021.

 

 

2 excellent points.  Sweeny and Saban made QB changes, but will Cristobal?   AND, Clemson's QB and Bama's QB were actually good!

 

Brown's ceiling:  I thought Brown was 'rusty' in 2020 after not playing most of the season.  But clearly, he started the first half of this year and he STILL cannot throw the ball down the field.  He doesn't need more time/more reps, he just can't do it.  He can't properly evaluate the reads either.  And he can't look off his first receiver when covered and find another one, even if he has time in the pocket. 

 

With a bye week and a lame Cal team at home coming up, it is a no-brainer to give TT a shot.  Even if he doesn't work out, give him the first qtr.  Then you can put Brown back in and still win the game. 

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For an RPO offense to work, the QB must make good reads and be able to pass.  Brown does neither well.

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On 10/5/2021 at 5:39 PM, Pocketchange said:

For an RPO offense to work, the QB must make good reads and be able to pass.  Brown does neither well.

 

Painful, but true.

 

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On 10/5/2021 at 7:22 PM, Charles Fischer said:

 

I think he is playing a lot worse that what I saw last year, and cannot imagine him playing this badly at BC and holding his position?

 

Great point. But he was playing for a coach at BC straight out of the 'Mario mold," Steve Addazio. 

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On 10/5/2021 at 12:38 PM, Charles Fischer said:

 

This is an extraordinarily good analysis of so many plays that if half are done correctly--Oregon rolls on.  I cannot believe that, 1) Brown is this bad, and 2) that the freshmen QBs could not do as good or better.

I read that article and I was amazed at how much I did not pick up on while watching the same game. The author is clearly very well versed in college football. I was very humbled from reading that article. I thought I knew a lot about football. 

 

What else I got from that is just how complicated the RPO system is.  It is so complex, that maybe you need your #1 guy to be in place at Spring camp?  Could they even start TT if they wanted to?  Could he make those reads?  Does he even know the freakin plays?  How much of the playbook would have to be shaved down for TT to play?

 

That article made me think that maybe the problem is not the scheme.  Those plays would have worked. And they did call some downfield shots, but Brown couldn't hit the target. 

 

I am convinced that in game 5, the starter SHOULD have done better.  I still say give TT (or one of the others) the Cal game and see what happens.  Then go back to Brown if need be. 

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I doubt it's going to happen, but I'd love to see a new quarterback. I believe it's beyond needed and agree that it'd be far easier watching one of the young guys make mistakes while knowing they're gaining valuable experience for the years ahead.

 

That said, I do wonder what the transfer situation would look like. Who would we lose and when would we lose them? Immediately? End of the season?

 

With AB as qb, everyone behind him still has a shot at beating out everyone else during the off-season. And granted, they still do, theoretically, but if Thompson gets the nod now, doesn't that have a larger psychological impact on the others? 

 

Who enters the portal? Who would you hate to lose?

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On 10/5/2021 at 8:22 PM, OregonRich said:

Who enters the portal? Who would you hate to lose?

 

Too early for me to ponder that, as we haven't played TT yet, and do not know if he has the "it" factor, or gets hurt, or is replaced by Jay Butterfield, etc.  All three have talent I would like to see stay...

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Three of the past seven years we had grad student transfers as starters. Six years ago they benched Dakota Prukoff at this point of the season in favor of a freshman, Justin Herbert. That turned out ok. Thompson is higher rated and has been in the system long enough. Brown has no upside, this is his 6th year, so give the kid a shot. Ducks still have an outside shot at the CFP but realistically it might be the Rose Bowl vs Penn State. That would be cool. 

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On 10/6/2021 at 11:47 AM, Knobby Bobby said:

Six years ago they benched Dakota Prukop at this point of the season in favor of a freshman, Justin Herbert. That turned out ok.

 

Great point Knobby, and do know that the fellow in your helmet Profile picture is a well-known Bobby/Ahmad Duck from the past...and WELCOME.

 

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On 10/6/2021 at 11:47 AM, Knobby Bobby said:

Three of the past seven years we had grad student transfers as starters. Six years ago they benched Dakota Prukoff at this point of the season in favor of a freshman, Justin Herbert. That turned out ok. Thompson is higher rated and has been in the system long enough. Brown has no upside, this is his 6th year, so give the kid a shot. Ducks still have an outside shot at the CFP but realistically it might be the Rose Bowl vs Penn State. That would be cool. 

True, however the situation at that time was vastly different.  At that point, Oregon had already lost 3 games and had to face the realization that they were not going to win the Pac12.  So they abandoned the season and switched to developing Herbert for the next season.

Oregon is not in the same situation this year, they're still ranked in the top 10 with realistic chances of winning the Pac12, the Rose Bowl, and an outside chance at the CFP.  I don't think the decision to swap AB for an inexperienced freshman is as cut and dry as you think.

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