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About Booing: Cristobal Lives in the River City….De-Nile

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Pretty stunning, wasn’t it?  All the booing in Autzen, and over so many plays. This wasn’t about your typical disagreement with the coach over going for it (or not) on 4th down, or an occasional bad play call. This was a venting by the Autzen faithful. Frustrations with Coach Mario Cristobal have been simmering with a minority of fans over ...

 

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I think the booing might work, but not in the way intended. Voting with your pocketbook, on the other hand, is much more effective. 

 

Protesters are often looked upon as rude, disorganized and ineffective. When we boo at Oregon as they win, it may just make us all look bad, as protesters often do. We get bunched into those who step over the line.

 

Much like the picture of Herb Brooks I posted, who coached Team USA in the Olympics, the hate for him provided the energy to the team. They all bound together in their hate of the coach. There are indications the team is doing this right now, with the fans as the hated one. So booing might work, just not as it is meant too, again, much like protesters.

 

In the end the team might win, the coach who we dislike might end up looking good too. This will just promote all the same stuff the booing is intended to change!

 

As far as voting with our pocketbooks this is the most effective way to communicate to the AD. This is actually why we have little power, but the big donors, like the lobbyist in real life, have all the power. We can walk away, and make a ripple in the direction of the team. The big donors, in the end, will have the biggest impact and they aren't blind to what is going on.

 

Basically I am not a big protester, it is mostly just cathartic to the fan, and not the type of emotional relief I look for. I would rather just walk away, and enjoy the many amazing things in life. I also try to reframe what is going on and realize this is just a process we need to appreciate.

 

Bottomline I appreciate student athletes working toward a goal, and I don't appreciate unruly fans acting like they are enabled whiners. We all make choices, this is how I see it.

 

 

 

 

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Fans will cheer and fans will boo, its all apart of sports. 

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While booing makes me uncomfortable, I certainly understand the sentiment.  Mr. FD is right.  As Duck fans, we have seen well-coached, well organized, and well-planned offense.  We had become accustomed to excellent QB play.  Under Cristobal, we do not consistently see any of those things.  More often than not, his teams come out flat, disorganized, and tentative.  If not for booing, how does the average fan voice their displeasure?

 

However, stating the obvious, booing is indiscriminate.  Do players and coaches understand what is being booed?  Personnel choices, player mistakes, etc?

 

Fans can obviously vote with their pocketbooks.  As long as the Ducks are winning, Autzen will remain relatively full.  However, that is not guaranteed.  While I am certainly not rooting for it, it seems likely that the Ducks will  drop 2-3 more games unless the QB play improves.  Will the Autzen faithful remain loyal (and willing to pay top dollar) to watch boring football if the team is out of contention?

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Booing in Autzen Stadium is nothing new. And the thing is, it doesn't take many people booing for the sound to stand out. When I've been to games where there was booing, I would look around and not be able to see who was booing. It could be 1% of the fans. And there's no way for other fans to show their disapproval of the booing (I'm sure at least some people disapprove). I mean, what do you do--boo the boo-ers? It would just come across as more booing.

I would never boo the coaches or the players. The refs, on the other hand....

 

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Thank you, Charles, for the compelling piece on the current responses from Duck fans. 
 

Not to over-simplify the matter, but Duck fans have two choices: Boo or Boo-hoo.

 

Go, Duck Fans……

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On 10/18/2021 at 8:06 AM, Annie said:

I would never boo the coaches or the players. The refs, on the other hand...

I have only booed the refs also. I think booing players (from either team) may be excessive. I can see booing coaches though. I agree with Haywarduck that the pocketbook is the best way to vote, ultimately, but if the fans walked out just for one quarter or half turning Autzen into a visiting fan's dream that would also get the point across.

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Accountability. The games don’t happen without the fan$.
 

Booing displeasure is exactly what is called for when it’s displeasing. It’s neither disrespectful or even unwarranted on many occasions.

 

If the team are such snowflakes as to get upset or undone by booing bad play then there is a far deeper culture problem at Oregon. 


withdrawl symptoms are pretty powerful. MC took away some of our Saturday dopamine fix and replaced it with angst and frustration 

still 5-1 but just not that entertaining a football product as previous iterations. 

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I think the booing stems more from the lack of offensive identity, not just directed towards players. The reality is, AB is a decent QB who can dink and dunk 4 yard plays and the playmakers aka Dye make people miss. When it comes to pushing the ball downfield 20 and 30 yard throw and catches, the explosive running plays utilizing the speed of the players. The Duck Offense used to put pressure on other teams to make mistakes on their offense, and alleviate our defense. We are now reliant on a bend don't break defense to keep it close against inferior teams to have a last minute heroic and win.

 

This works against lower tier teams, not upper echelon teams. In Stony Brook, Oregon was barely ahead going into second half, and TT came in and sparked that team for a good offensive output. Arizona, it was just a really bad Arizona team and many turn overs. The last two, Stanford and Cal, the turn overs have been our offense not the other teams. With Ohio State, AB played a great game but Ohio State played a poor game, the difference is, Ohio State has gotten better since then, Oregon has gotten worse.

 

People say oh why did Oregon fall in the polls, well since Ohio State, Oregon has barely scrapped past Stony Brook and Cal, lost to Stanford, and beat Arizon in the last quarter mainly due to great defensive playing. If oregon had crushed the lower tier teams then they would not have fallen, but when you need last second heorics to win against unranked opponents, Oregon will continue to drop in the polls, which is fitting. 

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On 10/18/2021 at 8:00 AM, Duckman said:

More often than not, his teams come out flat, disorganized, and tentative.  If not for booing, how does the average fan voice their displeasure?

 I feel like this is the nexus of Mario's coaching disconnect. His Plan is to be a dominating team, but his play has been anything but that, Personal fouls, more often than not a timeout called before or after the first offensive play. His choice at QB is supposed to be the no fuss, game manager, but AB has a very low ceiling and many obvious flaws.

 

However, Oregon has been successful under Cristobal, With every win he becomes more certain that everything is working fine, a loss just means they have to work harder. The problem is, what are they working at? We recognize a Style of play from every other team in the conference, but Oregon, who a few short years ago was the most recognizable team in the country now looks like something put together on the fly.

 

I've seen reports that Mario was very disturbed by the booing. I understand that. He and his family have bought in to Oregon completely, he bleeds green & yellow, The team is in the top 10. But still something is off, and as long as Mario keeps going like everything is fine, the frustration, and booing, will continue. 

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You pay your money to see the show, you get to boo if you so choose. Far better than TN fans littering the field with garbage, a lot of it aimed at Ole Miss coach Lane Kiffin.

 

When I watch the Ducks this season on the tube I don't boo. But I do from time to time scream at my TV asking the O to run, 'The Other Play.'

 

I watch CFB coast to coast every weekend. Oregon's O is the most predictable, plodding, pedestrian, boring O out there. The O is led by a guy who has been a gutsy but mediocre player his entire CFB career. A guy with no NFL upside; maybe, a chance to play in the CFL?

 

You nailed it Charles. When intelligent people pay good money to watch dreck they are going to, rightfully,  let their feelings be known.

 

If Mullens doesn't see the brand disappearing he's as blind as a bat, without a bat's radar to compensate.

 

I cannot believe the big boosters are not letting Mullens have it?

 

Why pay $1M a year to Moorhead and then not let Moorhead run the O? Why play a 6th year QB with no upside instead of getting experience for one of the young QBs? 

 

Will Ty Thompson's 1st CFB start occur in 2022 in Atlanta vs Georgia? Good luck.

 

Why in 2021 are you running, thank you 30 Duck, a 'prevent offense?' 

 

Finally, why recruit all of the WR talent if you are not going to throw the ball to these guys?

 

And my Ducks brothers and sisters, Mario is not going 'to learn' and play other than smash mouth football. Smash mouth is ingrained in the man's DNA. 

 

Mario has well over 70 games a s a HC. His game preparation and game management is not going to improve.

 

However, Go Ducks. Beat UCLA. You are the conference's best and only playoff hope.

 

We will continue to watch many the 1 score difference game. What I hope we don't see is a whole bunch of talented Ducks flocking to the portal at the end of this season?

 

 

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The most important thing to Cristobal...is "being tough" over everything.  His second biggest value that he promotes is "loyalty" and because he preaches it so strong to the team--he has to stick to Brown. 

 

Cristobal now has to learn how to teach mental strength....to fight through the boos. Can he?  The players have according to articles, but can they do that at every home game?  Because Cristobal is not going to change, thus the reaction of a percentage of fans will not either, and they will boo.

 

Cristobal's reaction?  He is angry because the fans are being disloyal to him....the worst offense we can be guilty of.  (In his value system)  This will have big implications later in the season.

 

I knew a ton of people would disagree with my article--and that's OK.  I wanted to have this discussion, because it will truly be the start of it, the canary-in-the-coal-mine for Mullens and Cristobal.

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All I can say is-Damn Charles, spot on. 

The truth hurts. 
Please send that to Mullens and Cristobal. 

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On 10/18/2021 at 7:13 AM, Haywarduck said:

voting with our pocketbooks this is the most effective way to communicate to the AD.

 

This sounds good and makes sense to most people...but for a 35 year season ticket-holder in Eugene....is it really practical?

 

Once you cancel your tickets....your priority status for getting tickets again when the offense is more entertaining, and for other sports is destroyed.

 

Here is the reality for people like me....we are trapped.  We do not like this product on the field, but have to pay thousands for the tickets to retain our 35 year priority.  In other words...I LOSE NO MATTER WHAT. A boring offense, unentertaining AND I have to pay the money each year.  They bring in a new coach eventually that I want to watch? Back to the 5 yard line again Charles....  (I am on the 35 yard line now)

 

The impact on me is greater than Oregon losing one season ticket holder among 30,000 and thus your suggestion is not as workable as many would think.

 

And that concept of feeling trapped creates even more frustration with the coach...

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Here is a quote from a blog I included at the bottom, ' I'm a Cornhusker fan. We don't cheat, we have a great academic record and our kids are generally good folks. These are things to be proud of and the fans should represent Nebraska with that same class.' And I ask, what kind of fans do we want to be and what kind of program? The blog is from the start of Nebraska's over two decades of trying to find the next great coach.

 

The husker nation is thought of as the best, if not one of the best fan bases in all of fandom. They frown on booing, but like most are impatient fans who have grabbed at many different iterations of coaching styles. From Bo Pelini, to awe shucks, and nothing has pleased them.

 

We were fortunate we had a coach with integrity we stood by over 40 years ago. He had recruiting violations and we stayed the course. Over the years he hired guys who built systems and processes which were the foundation of the Oregon Football Program for decades after he left. That was destroyed and we are starting again.

 

I ask who do we want to hire coaches, and build systems and processes going forward? I will also say those systems and processes take time to implement and evolve, like our pistol plunge, thankfully seeing the grave. Do we really want to start over, like so many programs looking for the next Nic Saban?

 

Division 1 football is littered with programs like Nebraska is now. Texas is now just like Tennessee, which is just like Florida State who is like USC. We can be different if we gracefully stand behind a coach with integrity and a vision. 

 

We can be 'the most intelligent fans,' but we can also be the most loyal, classy and understand we need to be part of the long game.  The long game is supporting a coach with integrity, while pointing out weaknesses. That support involves understanding the growth process and it's many stops and starts. Tell me who has had great success among us, without many failures and stumbles? I know for me, my greatest success has come with great struggle, but also with few important supporters.

 

Bottomline I don't want to become an ugly fanbase. I also don't want to become another football program always on the lookout for the next great coach with a quick fix. There are over a 100 of those programs out there with those two traits, and only a few who seem to be stand behind their coaches. I don't want to become just another program, where it seems many have us headed.

 

https://www.huskermax.com/2cents/100707responses5.html

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On 10/18/2021 at 9:46 AM, Haywarduck said:

Here is a quote from a blog I included at the bottom, ' I'm a Cornhusker fan. We don't cheat, we have a great academic record and our kids are generally good folks. These are things to be proud of and the fans should represent Nebraska with that same class.' And I ask, what kind of fans do we want to be and what kind of program? The blog is from the start of Nebraska's over two decades of trying to find the next great coach.

 

The husker nation is thought of as the best, if not one of the best fan bases in all of fandom. They frown on booing, but like most are impatient fans who have grabbed at many different iterations of coaching styles. From Bo Pelini, to awe shucks, and nothing has pleased them.

 

We were fortunate we had a coach with integrity we stood by over 40 years ago. He had recruiting violations and we stayed the course. Over the years he hired guys who built systems and processes which were the foundation of the Oregon Football Program for decades after he left. That was destroyed and we are starting again.

 

I ask who do we want to hire coaches, and build systems and processes going forward? I will also say those systems and processes take time to implement and evolve, like our pistol plunge, thankfully seeing the grave. Do we really want to start over, like so many programs looking for the next Nic Saban?

 

Division 1 football is littered with programs like Nebraska is now. Texas is now just like Tennessee, which is just like Florida State who is like USC. We can be different if we gracefully stand behind a coach with integrity and a vision. 

 

We can be 'the most intelligent fans,' but we can also be the most loyal, classy and understand we need to be part of the long game.  The long game is supporting a coach with integrity, while pointing out weaknesses. That support involves understanding the growth process and it's many stops and starts. Tell me who has had great success among us, without many failures and stumbles? I know for me, my greatest success has come with great struggle, but also with few important supporters.

 

Bottomline I don't want to become an ugly fanbase. I also don't want to become another football program always on the lookout for the next great coach with a quick fix. There are over a 100 of those programs out there with those two traits, and only a few who seem to be stand behind their coaches. I don't want to become just another program, where it seems many have us headed.

 

https://www.huskermax.com/2cents/100707responses5.html

 

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Nebraska academics? Nebraska was an AAU member school when it joined the B1G. No longer the case. Only B1G school that is not an AAU member.

 

I was at a game in Lincoln where CU, ultimately beat down by the Ducks in the bowl game, destroyed a Nebraska team that played Miami for the BCS title. I assure you that on that day many the boo was heard from the Cornhusker fans. 

 

Pelini was often booed. Booed out of Lincoln. Frost is the fair haired child but he also is starting to hear it.

 

Nebraska fired a 9+ win a season Frank Solich and has never been the same since. Solich did excellent work in the MAC at Ohio. 

 

Nebraska's AD and HC hires have been on par with those of USC; lousy.

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On 10/18/2021 at 9:43 AM, Charles Fischer said:

 

This sounds good and makes sense to most people...but for a 35 year season ticket-holder in Eugene....is it really practical?

 

Once you cancel your tickets....your priority status for getting tickets again when the offense is more entertaining, and for other sports is destroyed.

 

Here is the reality for people like me....we are trapped.  We do not like this product on the field, but have to pay thousands for the tickets to retain our 35 year priority.  In other words...I LOSE NO MATTER WHAT. A boring offense, unentertaining AND I have to pay the money each year.  They bring in a new coach eventually that I want to watch? Back to the 5 yard line again Charles....  (I am on the 35 yard line now)

 

The impact on me is greater than Oregon losing one season ticket holder among 30,000 and thus your suggestion is not as workable as many would think.

 

And that concept of feeling trapped creates even more frustration with the coach...

Like I said, it is the big boys who really are going to hit the AD in the pocket. My point is if you want to protest, don't buy the garb, the food, walk out. Don't allow yourself to be labeled as the lowest denominator in the Oregon fanbase. 

 

I won't get political, but my son went to a protest and I think his experience was telling. He was all fired up, saw all the injustices and wanted to be a bigger part of it. I told him to find the smart people working to make real change, don't get caught up in the craziness of the moment. I think, right now, too many people are getting caught up in the protest, and not really seeing the process which is going to create the change they want or understanding what that process will look like. 

 

Fortunately my son didn't get caught in the protest movement we see on both sides right now, and what I see beginning to happen with Oregon Football. I think we should continue to share ideas on FD and move in a positive real Oregon Fan direction. It all starts and stops with the actions of each of us.

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On 10/18/2021 at 9:46 AM, Haywarduck said:

We can be 'the most intelligent fans,' but we can also be the most loyal, classy and understand we need to be part of the long game.  The long game is supporting a coach with integrity, while pointing out weaknesses. That support involves understanding the growth process and it's many stops and starts.

 

 Agree with everything. A lot of the "Tradition" teams are wandering around now, seeking the Coach who will return them to glory. As a rule they didn't like Oregon when Chip's run started, "Flashy, Finesse,"  were the calls against the new kid in town. 

 

Oregon went through a downturn, but has come back, at least farther back than Nebraska, FSU, Texas, USC. But yet, there's trouble. The last thing we want is for Mario to feel alienated by the fans. But we see what we see, and being loyal doesn't mean shut up and clap. Mario wants to win a championship. So do we.  

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On 10/18/2021 at 9:59 AM, Jon Joseph said:

Nebraska academics? Nebraska was an AAU member school when it joined the B1G. No longer the case. Only B1G school that is not an AAU member.

 

I was at a game in Lincoln where CU, ultimately beat down by the Ducks in the bowl game, destroyed a Nebraska team that played Miami for the BCS title. I assure you that on that day many the boo was heard from the Cornhusker fans. 

 

Pelini was often booed. Booed out of Lincoln. Frost is the fair haired child but he also is starting to hear it.

 

Nebraska fired a 9+ win a season Frank Solich and has never been the same since. Solich did excellent work in the MAC at Ohio. 

 

Nebraska's AD and HC hires have been on par with those of USC; lousy.

The quote was back when Solich was coach. I would argue the Nebraska fanbase is a perfect example of what we don't want Oregon to become, and is on the verge of becoming.

 

I will also say it is the model of what a program should have been, until they took that turn of creating the turnstile of coaches so many programs have created.  Oregon can be the Nebraska that stood by Solich, or the program that decided to fire him and go decades looking for the next great coach while creating such a toxic environment that even when they find the guy he can't win.

 

Again I have no problem criticizing, questioning coaches decisions. I don't even have a problem question student athlete's, I certainly didn't support AB last spring or this fall. I will say I have come around to accepting this team and all it's worts. The process may not be pretty, but we don't want to become a worse picture of that process as a fanbase.

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Everybody Please Note:

 

I was not at the game Saturday night; my seats were filled by someone else and I have no idea if they booed.

 

But I agree with the sentiments of those who boo, and the helplessness we feel watching our brand die.

 

Considering what Cristobal has done to the offense?  He deserves to be booed...

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On 10/18/2021 at 9:46 AM, Haywarduck said:

I also don't want to become another football program always on the lookout for the next great coach with a quick fix.

 

Nowhere in my article did I ask for the coach to be fired, you are assuming that direction and it does NOT represent my views.  I want him to stay, but turn the offense over to the OC.  We are booing the offense that Cristobal has chosen.

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On 10/18/2021 at 9:46 AM, Haywarduck said:

I don't want to become an ugly fanbase.

 

We don't want to be.   You stressed patience with the coach, but if he had an offensive system....he would have put it in place in year one and year two....and we would be reaping the benefits in year 3.5 (now) and there would be no complaint.

 

You assume he will learn and change, and my point in the article is that the majority of people were in that mode for the first three years and were "hopeful" coming into this season.  The Ohio State game gave us hope of change, and now we are back to the "Prevent-Offense."

 

The majority of fans have realized that he is not going to change, and the appearance of booing is something we would rather live with than watching this offense decline further.

 

Yes...he wants to win a championship, but can you honestly say that his offense will do it?  

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On 10/18/2021 at 10:00 AM, Haywarduck said:

Like I said, it is the big boys who really are going to hit the AD in the pocket. My point is if you want to protest, don't buy the garb, the food, walk out.

 

And like I said...easy for you to say.  I do not want to lose my 35 year priority status, and thus am trapped.  I do not know the big-boys, and suggesting that I rally them sounds good on a message board, but is impractical in real-life.

 

Haywarduck...we are friends, but we are going to disagree on this one and that is fine.  In my view--you are more concerned with our appearance as fans than you are with the results on the field.  Something has to give to get the results we want, and booing will do more to generate change than any of the suggestions you have offered--in my opinion.

 

Why is this so important?  Because that offense is NOT going to take us to the promised land, and a critical mass of fans have realized it.

 

Good discussion to flush out all these points for people to ponder...

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Coaches are hired for 2 reasons. To recruit and to win big games.

 

Mario has aced the 1st requirement. But the 2nd?

 

Every game left on the 2021 Oregon schedule is a 'big game playoff-wise.' As of today, Oregon is favored in every one of the remaining regular season games.

 

In 2019, Mario dropped a PO critical game to a mediocre ASU team.

 

His big critical game win, if you consider the Rose Bowl when a non-semifinal PO site as a critical game, a 1 point win over 3L Wisconsin.

 

In 2020 he was out-coached by Wilcox, Smith and the entire Iowa State coaching staff.

 

As Charles points out, at this point in time no one should be calling for Mario to be fired. 

 

But if he can recruit and cannot win the critcal games he is the next Ed Orgeron and rightfully so.

 

 

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