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Five Candidates and Two Firecrackers to Replace Cristobal and Get Oregon Back to a ‘Natty

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On 12/6/2021 at 8:01 AM, 30Duck said:

1 and 2.

Loyalty won't win championships. Better to have a coach for 4 years and win a championship vs 8 years and never have the opportunity. 

 

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On 12/6/2021 at 7:53 AM, 1Ducker1 said:

Would he leave Ole Miss for Oregon? maybe I dunno.

For the right price absolutely he would. That's why I say Kiffin is the guy to take a swing at because he has shown time and time again he wants to coach on a big stage (Ole Miss is going to be stuck behind Bama) and he is always interested in a pay increase. So I think Oregon can get Kiffin... but can they hold onto him is a bigger question. 

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There's another name that should be stricken from this list, Chip Kelly.  Do people not know that Chip got Oregon into probation and himself suspended from the NCAA for two years because of improper payment of a scout!  He left Oregon because he had to leave Oregon.  Having a head coach who does not like to recuit is a nonstarter.

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Aranda, Fickell or Chip....Peterson's been a Dawg which automatically disqualifies him and Matt Campbell's offense looks like MC's....no, no, no to these two.

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If Oregon wants to be a national player, it needs to go big with the coaching hire. The Wilcox-Musgrave thing would be like acknowledging that you can't compete with the big boys and you're instead settling for your comfort blanket. Chip was lightning in a bottle. That moment can't be recaptured; plus he's kind of a jerk and hates recruiting.

 

Fickell, Campbell, Aranda, or (I can't believe I'm saying this) Kiffen would be at the top of the list.

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Personally I don't think any of the names in the article are viable. Mostly because I don't think any of them will want the job, but also because none of those coaches have a personal connection to UofO.

 

It's time to make a move similar to what Miami is making. Pay a local guy to get the job done and get it done right. 

 

I know Charles wrote a tough article on Wilcox nine years ago showing some suspect things his players were doing. The question I have about that is whether or not there is proof that Wilcox was coaching his players to play dirty or not? Sounded like the article doesn't clarify that but does clarify that he didn't clearly chastise those players for that type of play though and that is concerning. 

 

I personally have never seen Wilcox play dirty. As I have stated many times on FishDuck I played high school sports against Wilcox for three years in the early 90's and he never played dirty, but he was really tough to guard on the basketball court and he smashed us pretty hard on the football field.

 

So to answer Fentress' tweet questions I suppose there is only one overarching priority for me and that is loyalty at this point. We have to stop the coaching carousel as there is nothing more destructive to a program than what we have seen for the past several years now. 

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On 12/6/2021 at 8:53 AM, C J said:

We have to stop the coaching carousel as there is nothing more destructive to a program than what we have seen for the past several years now. 

 

That would be perfect, but in college football, not just at Oregon. Coaches come and go. Look around, how many coaches have been at the same school for more than 5 years? 

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On 12/6/2021 at 8:01 AM, 30Duck said:

Those three things are all big and important... sadly I think Oregon can only get two of those. Numbers 1 and 2 are more important in the short term... if they succeed at Oregon and they are able to get massive money to keep them then that will solve number 3. 

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Loyalty and trust are the foundation of any good relationship. I believe these could be the foundation of the Ducks winning a championship as well.

 

Keep up with what we have seen for the past 5 or so years and we will not only lose the team......but we will lose the fans as well (including myself).

 

I have no idea why folks are so down on Wilcox and Musgraves but they have been making lemonade for many years now. What about all these other new names people are throwing around makes them better?

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Just some random thoughts.

 

Oregon needs a coach that has a sense of loyalty, at least to his own 'system' and what he proclaims to want to build and not to a coach who's dream job resides in another state or school. MC had all the tools necessary to build his brand and get to the CFP and he coug-ed it. When real adversity struck, he ran away. Good riddance!

 

Canzano's article today had some great points. Notice that he mentions Phil and the contract extension but never mentions AD Mullens in the article.

 

Mullens is the administrator but the coach hires are the domain of the money guys. THOSE are the guys responsible for the hires since Kelly and once again Oregon will be saddled with their thinking, good or bad. Hopefully they'll make a wise choice this time and not get played again.

 

Recruiting was MC's high characteristic but I suggest that recruiting as we've known it has really lessened in the level of importance due to the the transfer portal. If players can skip around from school to school, it's incumbent on the program/school to have some greater importance than facilities and star players. Coaching skills, determination, energy, flexible thinking/strategizing and focus in an HC are more important. 

 

Oregon needs a coach that will "bleed green" and not some high flyer from outside the flock. Just my opinion.

 

 

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I would be absolutely ecstatic if we are able to bring in Dave Aranda AND his OC Jeff Grimes. Although I think if we hire Aranda, Grimes would be a strong candidate to take over the Baylor HC position. If not that duo, Lane Kiffin would be a 1B candidate for me. I'd take a shot at Josh Heupel next, then Matt Campbell and Chip Kelly. I'd be satisfied with any of these hires. I don't want Wilcox personally. I think our ceiling decreases significantly with him at the helm.

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On 12/6/2021 at 8:58 AM, 30Duck said:

 

That would be perfect, but in college football, not just at Oregon. Coaches come and go. Look around, how many coaches have been at the same school for more than 5 years? 

Right, not many, but we have the opportunity right now to make a decision that addresses this issue. Let's take advantage of it and get off of the carousel. It's making me dizzy and I feel like I might puke.

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On 12/6/2021 at 9:13 AM, Joshua Whitted said:

I think our ceiling decreases significantly with him at the helm.

Why? Any specific reasons for this? Has he not made lemonade at Cal? He has never had a QB who could win a lot of games. 

 

Dave Aranda is not going to be leaving Baylor. He has already made that perfectly clear. Why not bring someone in who wants to live in Oregon, who knows Oregon, who enjoys the weather and doesn't mind the fickle fans.

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On 12/6/2021 at 7:34 AM, Quackanadian said:

I personally think Kiffin would be your guy.

 

Love Kiffin's Xs and Os, not so much his loyalty.  What do you think the over/under would be on his stay in Eugene, . . . 2 years?

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On 12/6/2021 at 9:08 AM, C J said:

Loyalty and trust are the foundation of any good relationship

 

CJ, I totally agree, but big-time college football is the wrong place to look for good relationships. Like they say about politics in D.C. "if you want a friend, get a dog".

 

College football has become a toxic, money-dominated circus that, I think, is heading for some sort of implosion. The current trends are just not sustainable. Too few schools can compete, schools have much bigger worries than the football team, fans have more choices, etc.

 

Everyone in the game, from the players to the ADs seem to be in it strictly for themselves. Self-interest is normal and fine, up to a point. Unlimited self-interest is destructive.

 

If Oregon wants to compete in that environment, it's going to have to play by the new rules, and rent a coach from among the small pool who can also play be these rules.

 

It all makes me want to pay less attention to college football. Yet, here I am.

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On 12/6/2021 at 9:15 AM, C J said:

Why? Any specific reasons for this? Has he not made lemonade at Cal? He has never had a QB who could win a lot of games.

I’d take Wilcox too with a solid OC (Helfrich?). Cal is not a football powerhouse by design of the school and they still win some good games. He’d do better at Oregon. 

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On 12/6/2021 at 8:10 AM, Jon Joseph said:

Joe Brady was just fired by the Panthers and has never been a HC.

 

really like Joe Brady as OC.  We talked about that, but didn't include it in the article.  agree with you.

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On 12/6/2021 at 9:19 AM, jrw said:

 

CJ, I totally agree, but big-time college football is the wrong place to look for good relationships. Like they say about politics in D.C. "if you want a friend, get a dog".

 

College football has become a toxic, money-dominated circus that, I think, is heading for some sort of implosion. The current trends are just not sustainable. Too few schools can compete, schools have much bigger worries than the football team, fans have more choices, etc.

 

Everyone in the game, from the players to the ADs seem to be in it strictly for themselves. Self-interest is normal and fine, up to a point. Unlimited self-interest is destructive.

 

If Oregon wants to compete in that environment, it's going to have to play by the new rules, and rent a coach from among the small pool who can also play be these rules.

 

It all makes me want to pay less attention to college football.

Yes, that last sentence kind of sums up this situation. 

 

Oregon has always been one to buck the system. So at this point I say we thumb our nose at the big ugly monster that college football has become (and that slick and Cristobal have so clearly articulated through their actions) and now we shift to a more loyalty based culture.

 

Bringing it All Back Home

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On 12/6/2021 at 8:40 AM, Smith72 said:

Wilcox, Musgrave, and Sirmon!

 

They would likely be loyal to Oregon, but can they recruit at a high level or win at a high level?  They have inconsistent pasts, but who knows.  Look what Ed O. did at LSU

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On 12/6/2021 at 11:14 AM, David Marsh said:

For the right price absolutely he would. That's why I say Kiffin is the guy to take a swing at because he has shown time and time again he wants to coach on a big stage (Ole Miss is going to be stuck behind Bama) and he is always interested in a pay increase. So I think Oregon can get Kiffin... but can they hold onto him is a bigger question. 

 

David, in his 2nd season Kiffin has Ole Miss in the Sugar Bowl. Any offer made by Oregon will be matched by Ole Miss. However, the rumor is that Lane's OC is going to Oklahoma with Brent Veneables? 

Maybe he'd come west for a chance to beat down SC under Riley? But today he is far better recruiting  territory and especially after the victory over A+M, he has Ole Miss at 2nd place in the SEC W.

Also, he gets play games when people are awake and to covered year round by the SEC network and Paul Finebaum. 

I of course believe that Oregon is a very good job but not an elite job.

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On 12/6/2021 at 12:31 PM, M Ostrom said:

 

They would likely be loyal to Oregon, but can they recruit at a high level or win at a high level?  They have inconsistent pasts, but who knows.  Look what Ed O. did at LSU

 

Very good question. Wilcox would have a far larger recruiting budget at Oregon and the full support of the administration. He was handcuffed at CAL in so many ways.

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On 12/6/2021 at 9:34 AM, Jon Joseph said:

David, in his 2nd season Kiffin has Ole Miss in the Sugar Bowl. Any offer made by Oregon will be matched by Ole Miss. However, the rumor is that Lane's OC is going to Oklahoma with Brent Veneables? 

Maybe he'd come west for a chance to beat down SC under Riley? But today he is far better recruiting  territory and especially after the victory over A+M, he has Ole Miss at 2nd place in the SEC W.

Also, he gets play games when people are awake and to covered year round by the SEC network and Paul Finebaum. 

I of course believe that Oregon is a very good job but not an elite job.

I don't know how likely Oregon could grab him... but I do think it is worth a shot. Oregon does also have the pull to generally play games when most of the country is mostly awake.... a couple after dark late start games but this last year was on the whole a lot better than previous years.. at least for just Oregon. 

 

And again... I can't believe I am saying the things I am about wanting Oregon to pursue Lane Kiffin. 

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On 12/6/2021 at 9:41 AM, David Marsh said:

I can't believe I am saying the things I am about wanting Oregon to pursue Lane Kiffin

 

I'm totally with you on that.  Never thought I would advocate for hiring that guy.

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On 12/6/2021 at 9:41 AM, David Marsh said:

And again... I can't believe I am saying the things I am about wanting Oregon to pursue Lane Kiffin. 


David, no.  Just say no.  No.

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On 12/6/2021 at 9:41 AM, David Marsh said:

And again... I can't believe I am saying the things I am about wanting Oregon to pursue Lane Kiffin. 

Me neither. Talk about out of the frying pan and into the fire. 

 

Doesn't matter though, he won't accept the offer. He doesn't want to coach at Oregon or in the Pac 12.

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