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Good Gosh...Trojans and Bruins Have Officially Left the Pac-12

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On 6/30/2022 at 10:03 PM, Log Haulin said:

Oregon is a global brand. They have the 7th largest fan base in the nation. They have Nike. Oregon has an "IT" factor that both the B1G and SEC would welcome with open arms. Oregon has top notch leadership in their AD.

 

Whether the Ducks jump into one of the big 2 or go independent the will thrive. Slide into the B1G or SEC and they get automatic exposure. If they go independent the mountain is much steeper with TV exposure.

 

Oregon has climbed the mountain before.  That little ol' school in Or'gone with the 2 and 3 star players. Yea... Orygun will be fine.

Haaa,  couldn’t have said it better if I were Al Pacino in “scent of a woman.” I agree Oregon will be fine…….likely better!  Don’t let the door hit you in the ass USC and UCLA!

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That's why we become the big Duck in the duck pond. We would be like N Dakota St. They win division 2 championship a lot of the time. Their fans love them. They play sold out games and even produce pros.  The rest of the West and Midwest would be a big enough pond. Heck we could even challenge the 2 minor leagues champions to a true national championship especially when we have a veteran coached up team. Like when we beat Auburn, ahem, lost 2 auburn.

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I wonder how USC and UCLA fans feel about this, at least the ones who travel to an away game or two or four. Pretty easy to zip up to Cal & Stanford, fairly easy to get to Oregon and Seattle. Not such a quick trip going to the Midwest.

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“Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.” Mike Tyson

 

The PAC just got punched in the mouth and now they need to respond. The way I see it is that Oregon will be part of the solution to keep it viable, or ultimately expedite it’s demise. 
 

The worst thing that can happen is to start making irrational decisions. However, decisions do need to be made, and I certainly don’t envy the people that need to make those decisions. 

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On 6/30/2022 at 7:26 PM, Annie said:

I wonder how USC and UCLA fans feel about this, at least the ones who travel to an away game or two or four. Pretty easy to zip up to Cal & Stanford, fairly easy to get to Oregon and Seattle. Not such a quick trip going to the Midwest.

Or New Jersey 

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At the end of the day, the college football Gods/Goddesses will final a way to get the “big money” teams pooled to maximize TV revenue. Just like the NFL. Where does Oregon football fall in this scenario? Probably somewhere North of the Cleveland Browns.

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On 6/30/2022 at 7:26 PM, Annie said:

I wonder how USC and UCLA fans feel about this, at least the ones who travel to an away game or two or four. Pretty easy to zip up to Cal & Stanford, fairly easy to get to Oregon and Seattle. Not such a quick trip going to the Midwest.

Especially when they get their sun loving teeth kicked in. Oh USC will have flash but will they be ready for B10 grind.

 

Look at teams that jumped ship in the past. Nebraska hasn't lwon b10 title since enrolling out of the SW conference what almost 30 years ago. ATM and Missouri out of the big 12 what 15 yrs ago. No sec title. Now to the present OK and TX to the sec they are projected to be mid level to poor for the foreseeable future. 

 

The real dudes are in the South and Upper Midwest. There aren't enough of them to go around and they tend to stay close to home.  All their stadiums are 100k seating. FB is a religion and most all play FB. High school stadium's that seat 30 to 50k.

 

Good riddance USC and UCLA.

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On 6/30/2022 at 7:48 PM, Duck 1972 said:

Especially when they get their sun loving teeth kicked in. Oh USC will have flash but will they be ready for B10 grind.

 

Look at teams that jumped ship in the past. Nebraska hasn't lwon b10 title since enrolling out of the SW conference what almost 30 years ago. ATM and Missouri out of the big 12 what 15 yrs ago. No sec title. Now to the present OK and TX to the sec they are projected to be mid level to poor for the foreseeable future. 

 

The real dudes are in the South and Upper Midwest. There aren't enough of them to go around and they tend to stay close to home.  All their stadiums are 100k seating. FB is a religion and most all play FB. High school stadium's that seat 30 to 50k.

 

Good riddance USC and UCLA.

IMO its all about the depth that certain teams have that the west coast teams don't. How many 3 and 4 star players are bench warmers in the west? We out here can get plenty of high quality starters that can rival other starters but the depth?? not so much. And,---with the the Portal and NIL???

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On 6/30/2022 at 7:53 PM, 1Ducker1 said:

IMO its all about the depth that certain teams have that the west coast teams don't. How many 3 and 4 star players are bench warmers in the west? We out here can get plenty of high quality starters that can rival other starters but the depth?? not so much

Not in the trenches.

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There is already a recipe for making the playoffs every year .... It's called going undefeated. 

 

Clemson sits in the ACC which is worse than the PAC in football on the whole, minus Clemson, so if Oregon does opt to stay they can still go to the playoffs. 

 

Just can't trip. 

 

The great irony in what I just said is that the LA schools really haven't posted a problem for Oregon in over 10 years. 

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That's why we will still be able to recruit California. Maybe not for freshman studs but players that get coached up, persevere, get experience and beat those kids with all their 💰💰💰and get to the playoffs without them and their egos

 

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My humble take. This has been in the works for some time. Riley gets told that you come to USC you don’t have to go to SEC country, no Jimbo, no Nick. We will scoot you to the Big10. And you get to live in la-la land. In a big crib. UCLA goes for the $$$ and it's relevance for hoops. The Pac12 gets to pound sand.

 

I can't believe that Oregon was not aware of what was about to come down. The report earlier today that Oregon was not invited to the party I don't buy. National brand, Uncle Phil and a big fan base. What conference would not want a piece of that?

 

I lament the demise of the Pac12. I grew up with the Pac8, then the Pac 10. I watched my alma mater Cal suffer at the hands of the University of Spoiled C*********s (thank you, Axel) far too many times. But it's a whole new ballgame, sports fans, and Oregon needs to pivot. Recruits will not be enticed by a match up with San Diego State or Arizona.

 

It's not all about market size. Tuscaloosa isn't exactly Long Beach or Pasadena. It's what the entire weight of the SEC brings to the table. So the LA market has some pull but the Ducks are a gravity sink all to themselves. Oregon likely needs to jettison the Pac12 for greener pastures. The Ducks need to remind everyone that Justin Herbert, Penei Sewell, Marcus Mariota and the Kayvon Thibodeaux have all been birthed here and that Mighty Oregon is the place to thrive. 

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The World. . . She's a changing.  Change with it or get left behind.  The Pac 12 has not been it's former self, since becoming the Pac-12.  The recent news of USC and Ucla leaving for the Big Ten, should not really, surprise anyone.

 

Chip has very few chances to get Ucla on track or face a change, if one has not already is being planned.  Jim Mora was the last coach to have (3) 9 wins or more seasons during his 6 years at Ucla.  Terry Donahue was the last coach that had (8) 9 wins or more seasons over his 20 year career.

 

Riley just got to USC.  He has yet to show he can build a program.  Pete Carroll spent 9 years at USC.  His first year, Pete went 6-6 then (7) straight years of 11 or more wins.  His final year finishing 9-4 before moving on to the NFL.  The coaches following him Kiffin, Sarkisian and Helton never came close to Pete Carroll's record.

 

All of the California schools have seen their home game attendance dwindling.  The Los Angles schools, especially needed to make a dramatic change.  The conference and the South Division has looked especially weak with Utah having made up some serious ground in competing with both Los Angles schools.  

 

In my opinion, there are a lot of teams, that are given more credit for "who they used to be" instead of the teams they are now.  Texas and Oklahoma leaving the Big 12 for the SEC.  Now USC and Ucla leaving for the Big Ten.  Change in scenery looking to build their appearances.  

 

The biggest loss I see from all this is Oregon will not play in those cities.  Prospective talent loses out on the game day experience, TV exposure.  Those have been important recruiting grounds, so valuable to Oregon.  So we better start being proactive rather than reactive.

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While the SEC and Big 10 built their brand, television deals and their networks, the PAC 12, led by Larry Scott, did next to nothing.  Additionally, USC felt betrayed by their own conference when the draconian sanctions were levied.  The other conferences would never allow Ohio State, Alabama  et. al. to receive similar outcomes (for infractions that were likely much bigger); that resentment has been seething for a number of years.  A lot of USC folks I know have wanted them to leave for a long time, although they never saw the Big 10 as a possibility.

 

Interestingly, this keeps USC and UCLA in the Rose Bowl agreement.

 

We are living in fascinating times.  

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Adapt or die. Oregon & Washington to the Big10 in the works.

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