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Since logistics isn't part of the equation anymore, let's go to the SEC. Yup, The SEC would salivate at having Oregon in their West Division. You grab the pacific time zone. Can you imagine an Oregon Auburn/Alabama/Florida game every year? The money is there and so is the exposure. 

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I wonder how that would work, as SEC schools seem reluctant to cross the Rockies.

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No thank you.

Mr. FishDuck

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On 7/1/2022 at 8:20 AM, Annie said:

I wonder how that would work, as SEC schools seem reluctant to cross the Rockies.

This is true, ...so far. But, its looking more and more like there will be geographical divisions for all said conferences. They need 6 teams to become 20. Washington, Oregon, Stanford(possibly), Cal(possibly). 

 

Oregon fits better in the B1G. But, money is King right now. Being a top quality school pales in comparison to football. 

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On 7/1/2022 at 8:40 AM, Charles Fischer said:

No thank you.

Well, since remaining in the PAC was our first choice, its becoming more and more clear that money is the sole driver here. Alabama/Oregon would be a Monster revenue builder.

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I'd love to see the Ducks in the SEC. Warmer weather and great competition. 

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SEC opened a can with grabbing Okie and aTm. That set the B1G in motion to dominate college Football. Looks Like Fox and the B1G are set on beating ESPN and the SEC. My money is on the B1G but we will see. End of the day, Oregon is going to thrive in this new landscape

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Oregon is going to be a big draw tv wise no matter what conference they go to.  The teams back east either north or south never get to see how their team stacks up against a good west coast team like Oregon and that will be a big draw to Ducks fans and Big 10 or SEC fans.  They want to see that product.  

 

We just have to live up to our end of the bargain and beat them when we play them (maybe not all the time but more than 50% of the time) and that will generate even more interest.  

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On 7/1/2022 at 9:36 AM, Quackerbacker said:

Oregon is going to be a big draw tv wise no matter what conference they go to.  The teams back east either north or south never get to see how their team stacks up against a good west coast team like Oregon and that will be a big draw to Ducks fans and Big 10 or SEC fans.  They want to see that product.  

 

We just have to live up to our end of the bargain and beat them when we play them (maybe not all the time but more than 50% of the time) and that will generate even more interest.  

Oregon v. Michigan: 39-7 all time 2W 3L

Oregon  v. Mich St: 7-6  all time 4W 3L

Oregon v. tOSU: 35-28 1W 9L

Oregon v. Wis:  28-27.  3W 3L

Oregon v. Neb. 42-35   2W 6L

 

Last time Oregon played these teams Oregon won. Oregon has done well against the B1G over the past 2 decades. Oregon can compete against anyone in the country.  On the gridiron, in marketing and now on the recruiting trail. Go Ducks!

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On 7/1/2022 at 10:00 AM, Log Haulin said:

 

 

Last time Oregon played these teams Oregon won. Oregon has done well against the B1G over the past 2 decades. Oregon can compete against anyone in the country.  On the gridiron, in marketing and now on the recruiting trail. Go Ducks!

 Oregons ability to compete is not in question. I believe they jump to top 4 pretty quick. Whether that be The Big 10/11/12/16/20 or the SEC

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I think Oregon could adapt to the SEC but I don't think it would mesh well culturally between all the powers at be. 

 

The B1G and the PAC have a whole lot more in common and that would make a transition smoother in both the short and long run. 

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The BIG has gutted the PAC12. They grabbed the largest TV market from the PAC 12 and will use that to enhance their conference. Ouch.
 

I think in the long run it does make sense to have more than two Universities on the west coast in an expanded conference.
 

From a financial standpoint, the BIG does not need to make any other additions at the moment. They are in the drivers seat and have the ability to watch what happens within the SEC, PAC, ACC, and BIG12.
 

Ulitimately, they probably have the ability to “cherry pick” teams they want if they choose to move towards more of a “super conference”.
 

However, do they want to dilute what they already have in place? 
 

Sad to see long time rivalries with others in the PAC 12 end this way. 
 

 

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On 7/1/2022 at 10:21 AM, David Marsh said:

I think Oregon could adapt to the SEC but I don't think it would mesh well culturally between all the powers at be. 

 

The B1G and the PAC have a whole lot more in common and that would make a transition smoother in both the short and long run. 

I have been a strong supporter of cultural bindings. However, it just doesn't matter anymore. There can be a semblance of cultural leanings with the BIG but the Mega conferences have 'chosen' to not look at that metric as the primary mitigating factor. $100 million buys a lot of blue chip universities no matter the academics. 

 

I feel everyone's pain as I have it as well. But, we can no longer accept all the aligning factors that have kept the PAC cohesive. Academics mean nearly $0, at least from a conference alignment perspective.

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On 7/1/2022 at 10:46 AM, 1Funduck said:

However, it just doesn't matter anymore. There can be a semblance of cultural leanings with the BIG but the Mega conferences have 'chosen' to not look at that metric as the primary mitigating factor. $100 million buys a lot of blue chip universities no matter the academics. 

True but I feel if there is a choice, and right now it appears there will probably be a choice, that would and probably should tilt it for Oregon being more in favor of joining the B1G rather than the SEC. 

 

If it's SEC or nothing then there isn't much choice there and that's what it will have to be. Granted I think I'd vomit a little every time I see the SEC logo on anything related to Oregon. 

 

I wouldn't be thrilled about a B1G logo on Oregon stuff either but it would be more palpable. 

 

Granted... I'm not consulted in any of these decisions as it is. 

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You know that Rob Mullen is on the phone with both. He has to be. Because the moves are about money, he's selling the Oregon brand to the highest bidder. Mullen is very good at his job. Regardless of whether Oregon goes to the SEC or the B1G, it will be to the highest bidder and rivalries, sentiments, and geography will not factor into the decision.

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On 7/1/2022 at 10:23 AM, Drake said:

However, do they want to dilute what they already have in place? 

That, to me is the question.  And the answer will determine if we climb or fade in being relevant.

Mr. FishDuck

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On 7/1/2022 at 9:16 AM, Log Haulin said:

SEC opened a can with grabbing Okie and aTm. That set the B1G in motion to dominate college Football. Looks Like Fox and the B1G are set on beating ESPN and the SEC. My money is on the B1G but we will see. End of the day, Oregon is going to thrive in this new landscape

How do you figure, unless we too join the B1G? Not playing in a major recruiting zone like southern CA cannot be a good thing?

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The BIG essentially said "no thanks" at the moment to the UW / UO package.  That is NOT a good sign for Oregon.  The SEC and BIG know that Oregon, Washington, Utah and Stanford have little to no power right now.  They can just sit back and wait for the conference to dissolve and see if they can pick up whomever stays on top for cents on the dollar (reduced percentage of revenue sharing) or just let the other schools drop off after they get raked over the recruiting coals.  I have a really bad feeling all of a sudden that Oregon is in BIG BIG trouble.

 

How different could this have been if we just found a way to close the deal with Texas, OU, and Oklahoma State last time around?

 

UGH!      

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Oregon is not in big trouble.  Notre Dame is the biggest jewel out there but the next biggest is Oregon.  We will bring in revenue to the Big 10 or whichever conference we end up in unlike some others that could be added.  

 

The Big 10 would be the best fit for us but we could adjust to life in the SEC if we had to (I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit).

 

A revamped PAC-12 which would include the Big12 is really a no go option as that will limit the payout to each team to probably 1/2 of what the Big 10 is getting.  That is not going to get us top recruits or get us to the National Championship.  If you are looking for just a nice football game on a Saturday afternoon then ok it's fine.  But that is not what most of us want.  We want to compete for the National Championship and in order to do that we need to be a part of a conference where the payout is top $$.  

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Join the Big10.  Speaking as a Buckeye fan, we would love to have Oregon join.  It would be great if Oregon, Washington, Stanford at least join USC and UCLA to strengthen the West Division.  If Notre Dame would jump on as well, that would be a hell of a rival to the SEC.

 

East  - Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Notre Dame, Michigan State, Indiana, Northwestern, Purdue, Maryland, Rutgers

 

West - Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Southern Cal, UCLA, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois

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On 7/1/2022 at 11:34 AM, Charles Fischer said:

That, to me is the question.  And the answer will determine if we climb or fade in being relevant.

I would be pretty shocked if Oregon was viewed as dilutive on its own or w/UW

 

Clearly B1G is waiting on ND’s decision before adding more.  Wonder if SEC is doing same. 
 

Be curious if SEC even wants a west coast footprint or are happy being as far west as Texas and OK.  If they are happy to stay there then Oregon’s bargaining power drops quite a bit.  
 

The question is really: what do these guys see as the final total and are they willing to eject existing members?
 

So, if the number is 20 and you are the B1G you have four slots to go unless you jettison a school or two.  You want ND so really that leaves 3 slots you can attack until ND makes their decision known.  
 

Would you rather wait to see if some of the jewels in the ACC come loose sooner than later?  
 

If not the Oregon gets the call.  
 

Or you assume 24 is the final number and go to 20 now knowing the inevitable dissolution of the ACC will bring 4 more in which case you give SC and UCLA some geographical support.  

That same thought exercise with the SEC might have them waiting in the wings to get 4 ACC schools and then staying at 20 for as long as possible which means they would NOT look west because they want to keep those slots open.  

 

IOW, it’s a mess.  

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Let’s hope B1G saying no (right now) to the UO/UW package deal,  is that they don’t want the package if ND says yes.  That UO is who they would take to pair with ND.

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On 7/1/2022 at 1:11 PM, mad4527 said:

Join the Big10.  Speaking as a Buckeye fan, we would love to have Oregon join.  It would be great if Oregon, Washington, Stanford at least join USC and UCLA to strengthen the West Division.  If Notre Dame would jump on as well, that would be a hell of a rival to the SEC.

 

East  - Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Notre Dame, Michigan State, Indiana, Northwestern, Purdue, Maryland, Rutgers

 

West - Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Southern Cal, UCLA, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois

I really like this, although I would prefer eight conference games in my division as the SEC does!  And great to see you Buckeye, as reasonable fans of all schools are welcome here.

Mr. FishDuck

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That isn’t what will happen.  They need ND to make a call so they know if they are inviting 3 or 4 from the PAC.  They (rightly) assume neither Oregon or UW is going to panic jump to the Big XII.  
 

If they take Oregon and Washington now that sets off a domino that dissolves the conference and leaves them either w/out Bay Area presence because Cal and/or Furd will possibly have acted.  
 

They probably feel comfortable knowing the SEC is also waiting on ND so there is no risk of the SEC swooping in to snag any schools (should they want to) that would disrupt the B1G’s next move. 
 

TL;DR the B1G feels relatively comfortable that Oregon and UW are safely in place until the ND domino falls.  They have no pressure to act before then which means we may be hanging fire for some time
 

 

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On 7/1/2022 at 12:05 PM, DanLduck said:

How do you figure, unless we too join the B1G? Not playing in a major recruiting zone like southern CA cannot be a good thing?

 Oregon could end up in the B1G, SEC or independent. Ducks are a solid brand with a ton of fans and interest globally. I am not a pessimist, I believe the Ducks are a huge value to Any conference. They will be in a position to compete with the best for years to come.

 

 What a great opportunity to better your position. Duck fans have complained about Pac being weak and getting no respect for years now. Seems like some don't believe in OBD or that OBD is capable of positioning themselves to thrive for years to come. I am not one of those people.

 

 Oregon went from a nobody with a bunch 2* guys to an international brand competing with the best for recruits and playing in championship games. Oregon athletics is respected across the board from golf to football.

 

So yea... I figure Oregon will thrive in this environment. They are winners. I relate to those that started in the gutter and climbed to the top of the mountain. Neither I or the Ducks have made it to the top...YET! Mark my words, I will plant my flag at the top before its over,  so will Our Beloved Ducks!

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