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In 2022...Do Cheerleader Photos Inspire or Offend?

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What are your views about cheerleader photos returning to FishDuck.com? Should they or not, and why?  (I especially would like to hear from the female readers)

 

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I am not looking to start a discussion that could go political, nor do I wish to offend anyone on either side of this issue. However we implemented a ban on...

 

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I love beautiful. Especially when the insides match the outsides (rare). I like to watch others dance and sing. I like seeing people smile. 

 

Cheerleaders are men and women who participate in the game experience. They are having fun. Good times. 

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I just got back from Hawaii, pictures of the young lady's on the beach would be inappropriate for most on Fishduck. I think the outfits most young people wear now don't fit into what we are used to. I think it is just a generational thing, and no I don't have any pictures to post!

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While I think it's true that some will objectify them, they knowingly risk that. Photos (and cheerleaders in general) don't offend me, and they really are beautiful and add to the game day experience.  I think the point could be made that it's sexist by including or even excluding them. In the end this is your barbeque and I won't be offended either way...

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Funny that it is even a question. With all the issues in the world this doesn't seem to be a big problem. That said, no real reason to include cheerleader pictures as this is more of a site to talk about football and if somebody wants to check out the cheerleaders there are probably plenty of other options.

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My daughter was a cheerleader for 4 years during the Bellotti years.  My wife and I supported her time at Oregon.

 

Cheerleaders spend many hours practicing and work very hard!  In addition to pregame activities and games they participate in fundraising events, work at golf tournaments, and countless hours at bowl games.

 

I agree that new outfits (Nike designed) and dance routines are a generational thing.  Including them in pictures of football is ok with me!

 

 

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We are all so super sensitive to so many things now... and worried about getting "called out" on it on social media.... for what seems like a small percentage of people over reacting to anyone and anything.

 

Why should anyone worry about cheerleader photos when...

 

- onlyfans is a thing now. this is just a private way to pay to 'stare'...

 

- being an 'influencer' on social media is a full time, high paying job now. Most of these are scantily clad women who make huge money of this...

 

- people still support both women and men (or any "sex" in between) when they are barely clothed for many reasons.

 

I think anything can be done in a tasteful and respectful manner. 

 

So can cheerleader photos.

 

Cheers!

 

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They’re part of the team. Just like the band, trainers, equipment folks, etc. They all influence the game and fan experience.

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I believe the answer is contained in one sentence of the editorial.

 

"So much depends upon the actual photo…as some cross the line, while others are benign and symbolize the celebration that is being an Oregon Duck."

 

I’m not sure there’s relevance in posting pictures solely of young ladies clothed in not much more than beach apparel, and I can’t believe I just typed that.  In today's "I'm offended" environment, photos of that nature open to door to questions and criticism.   

 

Now, I do see significance to having cheerleaders in photos that help convey emotion during a moment of the game.  Running onto the field, post-score reactions, brief interactions with fans and mascots, and sadly, even tears from heart-breaking losses can be elicit an emotion and are worthy of being captured by camera.

 

Me personally - not offended, but I can't even begin to quantify the percentages of people that stand on either side of this discussion.  In this scenario playing it safe (right or wrong) seems to be the way to go.   

 

Slightly off topic, but I want to get this out there. 

 

Yelling, screaming, clapping fans coupled with the sideline visual of waving pom-poms and dance teams heighten our viewing experience and simply add to the greatness that can only be seen in college football.  When the UO support team (cheerleaders, etc.) take the field it enhances an already revved-up environment.  You not only will have to deal with a football team ready to kick your a**, but now you’re going to witness support in numbers you haven’t seen.  Support that’s going to push this crowd to edge and beyond.  You look in the stands – all you see is green and yellow.  Your focus your eyeballs to the field and sidelines hoping to find a respite from what’s going on around you but to your chagrin all you find is Oregon’s support teams gaining momentum and enthusiasm as you find that yours is waning with each passing minute. 

 

You’re in Autzen, baby.  You have a front row seat to your own private hell for the next couple of hours.  Do you now understand now why teams don’t want to play here?  Come on, we know the answer. 

 

I’ve been referencing all those athletes other than the Oregon football team as “support team”.  I think they are fabulous, and an integral part of what makes the Oregon football experience special. 

 

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I also think it comes down to showing fans enthusiastically cheering for their Ducks is awesome. Showing a cheerleader man, or women cheering for their Ducks is very appropriate.

 

The cheerleaders also do moves which can put them in compromising positions when caught in static photos. Showing photos which highlight positions which are suppose to be dynamic moves, and inspire shouldn't be shown. That is ok and inspirational at the game, and if there is a particularly amazing move the cheerleaders are doing show the video.

 

I would add these cheerleaders work hard at their craft. Showing videos and pictures shows respect for what they work extremely hard at, when done respectfully.

 

I think we can also find fans in the stands in compromising positions and in outfits of poor taste. Just keep it at photos showing enthusiasm without the compromising positions. 

 

This is a fan site, show fans, cheerleaders and supporters exhibiting, revealing their love of the Ducks, and nothing else.

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First off, it’s not about being "offended" and we ALL (liberal and conservative) have topics that bother us. If that wasn't  the case we wouldn’t have a ban on politics.

 

It’s about respecting other people as people, not as objects of contempt, scorn, (with exceptions for USC and Washington sports), or lust. I don’t have any issues of photographs of cheerleaders rooting for the Ducks, (which is the main purpose of this site) but don’t want to see salacious photos of male or female cheerleaders. 

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The famous line, you know it when you see it.  Pictures can be subjective, but I feel like we have a good group of people here who wouldn't put up what the majority of people would consider inappropriate.  At my office, we have the 80/20 rule for work flow.  We know we aren't going to make everybody happy, so if we get 80% we move forward.

 

Not offended with appropriate cheerleader photos.

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On 8/4/2022 at 10:57 AM, lownslowav8r said:

It’s about respecting other people as people, not as objects of contempt, scorn, (with exceptions for USC and Washington sports), or lust. I don’t have any issues of photographs of cheerleaders rooting for the Ducks, (which is the main purpose of this site) but don’t want to see salacious photos of male or female cheerleaders.

I am in agreement. Cheerleading is part of the game experience and as long as photos are appropriate, I don't see any problem. 

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I am not interested in seeing pictures of cheerleaders. I don't watch them at games, haven't for years. They pretty much stopped leading cheers years ago when they started doing bump-and-grind dance routines instead. 

 

To each his or her own, but I have no interest in seeing photos of cheerleaders on FishDuck.

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People have posted some great points and when we post something this is “our personal” opinion. We all have them and I appreciate it.

 

This is Mr Fischer’s site and it’s his call on what is or isn’t posted (Photos and words). We all have the choice to leave if we don’t agree, but sounds like we may be going with majority rules… I can live with that.

 

Personally I’m indifferent.

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On 8/4/2022 at 5:30 AM, Wrathis said:

In the end this is your barbeque and I won't be offended either way...

You are very kind, but as an old-fart, I am trying to navigate this difficult new world of what is correct.  And no, I do not want to get into a discussion about "woke-ness," but simply stating that it is harder these days to not offend.

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On 8/4/2022 at 8:40 AM, Charles Fischer said:

You are very kind, but as an old-fart, I am trying to navigate this difficult new world of what is correct.  And no, I do not want to get into a discussion about "woke-ness," but simply stating that it is harder these days to not offend.

If you try to please everyone, not offend, you know what happens, right. I won't post the answer as there are plentiful quotes to reference.

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“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”

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 The answer is inspire. A home game is a great atmosphere and our young men and women on the cheer squad help bring that out with the great job they do to enrich the experience  before and during the game.

 

 Heck, I married 2 cheerleaders, one for 47 years, and it was something they both loved to do.

 

 My Grandaughter is a high school cheer leader and a model and wants to do the same next year in college. She just had a photo shoot that took most of the day with over 1000 shots and she loved it. Her face was a little numb from smiling all day however.😁

 

 Don’t think any of these girls give or gave much of a thought about being photographed in awkward positions. It’s all part of it.

 

 If the girls don’t mind then I certainly don’t, it’s part of the experience. 

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On 8/4/2022 at 5:32 AM, LADuck said:

no real reason to include cheerleader pictures as this is more of a site to talk about football

We used to have cheerleader photos often, because as a writer...inserting pictures is harder than you would think.  (And nobody gives it a thought except for the writers who are trying to figure out what to populate their article with) Sometimes you just need a photo to break up all the paragraphs of text, but anything general about the Ducks, such as a category I call, "gameday atmosphere" which is where the cheerleader pictures fit.

 

The cheerleaders are part of the Oregon Brand, and adding pictures of them adds to a "football atmosphere" in an article.  That is why we used them...

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Some people want to infer the most negative about any scenario.  Others see the glass as half full or better.  For better or worse (bump and grind etc) it's part of the game day experience.  Leading cheers has changed over the years.  One year at Stanford they had a particularly fun cheer as after a bad Oregon play the Stanford cheer team came up with "The Ducks have lost their down".......or from the 50s "harass them, harass them, make them relinquish the ball"

Boy how things have changed.

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On 8/4/2022 at 7:25 AM, Haywarduck said:

Just keep it at photos showing enthusiasm without the compromising positions. 

It is harder than you would think.  One time, years ago I called one of our photographers that had been at an Oregon basketball game shooting pictures for us.  I told him, "there is a stretch of pictures that I cannot possibly use!"  "What were you doing taking those pictures and sending them along?"

 

He responded with, "if they are going to stick their butts out in front of my face....I'm shooting them!"

 

After we both howled with laughter did I realize that in a way...it was his rebellion to the overabundance of over-the-top suggestive dance moves.  Point made!  (And no, not only did we not use them...I deleted them so as to not even allow writers the option to use them!)

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On 8/4/2022 at 8:58 AM, Charles Fischer said:

It is harder than you would think.  One time, years ago I called one of our photographers that had been at an Oregon basketball game shooting pictures for us.  I told him, "there is a stretch of pictures that I cannot possibly use!"  "What were you doing taking those pictures and sending them along?"

 

He responded with, "if they are going to stick their butts out in front of my face....I'm shooting them!"

 

After we both howled with laughter did I realize that in a way...it was his rebellion to the overabundance of over-the-top suggestive dance moves.  Point made!  (And no, not only did we not use them...I deleted them so as to not even allow writers the option to use them!)

You should have been on the beach and out in the lineup to surf. The amount of butt exposed in these times is asstounding!

 

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On 8/4/2022 at 8:46 AM, Charles Fischer said:

The cheerleaders are part of the Oregon Brand,

They are indeed, and also physically gifted. A cheerleader can be standing still and then just decide to do a complete backflip!!! That's amazing, and then when the male cheerleader is holding the female cheerleader up in the air, holding onto her feet? The strength and agility each are demonstrating in that "simple" cheer maneuver is nothing short of amazing. 

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On 8/4/2022 at 8:45 AM, Just Ducky said:

 

 Don’t think any of these girls give or gave much of a thought about being photographed in awkward positions. It’s all part of it.

 

 If the girls don’t mind then I certainly don’t, it’s part of the experience. 

You know...I am embarrassed to write that I did not even consider of what the young women and men who "cheer" think about it. Since they are out there doing it, I imagine they would like the additional coverage and exposure (a pun!) to their work.  In the end, while they probably don't feel objectified--the decision process for me is all about the good people of this community...which is why I am asking.

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