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Duckley Palace

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    We all know where the real power lies, don't we? If Chun and Schultz want to play hardball, they'll get frozen out. There aren't any concrete rules. Washington State and Oregon State have no leverage.

     

    If they want to have any sort of avenue to the playoffs as MWC members, they'll play ball. If not, the G5 might get frozen out entirely. A rich guy once told me "The rules are dictated by cash. The richer you are, the less they apply to you."

     

    The Big Ten/SEC group are Rupert Murdoch, and Steve Bezos. Try to dictate to them, and you become Blockbuster.

    Bill O'Brien disliked the recruiting portion of the job, he only did two years of it as the head man at Penn State, under heavy sanctions. We think he's a good recruiter because of his tenure at Alabama. I could recruit well enough there. The guys came for Saban.

     

    Chip Kelly is the same, not a recruiting master. But Ryan Day is a great recruiter, and he's an offensive mind. So Chip can just be the guy behind the guy. Probably suits him better, as he isn't that great with the media.

     

    The thing I would say concerns me is Chip's offense. It's a lot closer to Meyer's than Day's. O'Brien was a much closer playcaller to the Ryan Day system.

     

    Can Chip develop a potent air raid? Those five star receivers aren't going to be happy with a run heavy offense. A lot of talent, but a lot of egos that goes along with that.  But let's just welcome him back when he comes to Eugene in the press box, instead of the sideline. Send him some nice jelly donuts, but no milk.

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    While I agree with certain leagues having buyers remorse, mostly the ACC imo. Really adding the two on the west doesn't make them any money.. It just bolsters their numbers, and SMU paid their own way in. So the ACC has nothing to lose there, even if the Dallas market isn't SMU supporters.

     

    As far as why the Big Ten expanded. It wasn't out of necessity.

     

    The Big Ten was okay before adding USC, or UCLA. Just like the SEC didn't need Texas, or Oklahoma. But the two ringleaders of the Pac Twelve, and Big Twelve approached wanting admission. So they saw it as a way to get two blue bloods, and great markets. Oklahoma was likely the cherry on top for Sankey. While UCLA was a tag along for USC's travel companion.

     

    You can ask if the Big Ten wanted to cripple the Pac Twelve, or if it was just a by-product. They vetted Washington and Oregon in 2022, but decided not to pull the trigger on the conference of champions. The Pac Twelve did nothing with that year reprieve, so Oregon and Washington came onboard at a discount. 

     

    There was a story being leaked that it was the Big Ten presidents didn't want expansion, but saw the financial benefits of it after the conference commissioner showed them the value. Same reason they took Rutgers, and Maryland.

     

    But the Big Ten was never in trouble as long as Ohio State and Michigan stayed on board. They knew Ohio State, and Michigan weren't trying to dictate terms, and was in lockstep with every other member.

     

    The SEC operates the same. Probably a good reason those two are in charge now.

     

    The ACC, Big Twelve, and Pac Twelve have never had that unity. USC, Texas, and now Florida State are prime examples of that. I mean look at the Longhorn Network, that's 100 percent worse than the Pac Twelve Network.

     

    The ACC won't even allow it's members to see the conference bylaws outside of it's headquarters. FSU is suing them for negotiating television contracts behind their backs. Talk about unhealthy.

     

    The Pac Twelve preached unity, but it's members were all looking for a way out, after that Apple deal.

     

     

    After that, the Pac Twelve members took each other to court. More precisely Washington State and Oregon State did. Even as they were both looking for invites from the Big Twelve. The conference deserves it's death, and Oregon State doesn't deserve a dime that is owed to Oregon. Oregon broke no contracts, they didn't sign the media rights deal due to the conference's bungling it's television deal.

     

    Oregon State would accept a Big Ten invite at one third of what is a full share. Same goes for Washington. They would have taken a discount to get into the ACC, or Big Twelve.

     

    Sad fact is Oregon State wasn't coveted, they are the ugly stepsister's to Oregon's Cinderella. Why is that taboo to say? 

     

    I'll miss the history, and lighter travel. But I won't miss this mess of a conference.

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    On 2/8/2024 at 2:36 PM, Jon Joseph said:

    Great post. SC in 2024 has the 2nd most difficult strength of schedule in the nation. It will be fascinating to see if a clean sweep of Grinch and Friends will help turn around the SC D.

     

    I will say this, with Williams on the bench the SC O had a lot of athletes on the field vs Louisville in the Holiday Bowl. Fairly easy win over Louisville but the D still gave up a lot of yards on the ground. But SC's team speed was evident and the SC D guys made open field tackles.

     

    SC has the 5th best odds of winning the B1G title in 2024 behind tOSU, Oregon, Michigan, and Penn State. This team will continue to put up points. Will it stop anyone? The opening game vs LSU in Vegas will be an early tell. No Ohio State. Wisconsin, Penn State, Nebraska, and Notre Dame (overrated IMO) in LA. At UCLA but is Chipper, if he's there, going to able to field a team? 

     

    I think that Riley may be figuring out that SC will not sell itself and that he better focus or keep losing guys to relationship builders Lanning and staff. 

    Can he do what Ryan Day did, but without having his offensive efficiency drop? 

    On 2/8/2024 at 12:41 PM, The Grateful Duck said:

    I don't care. Any victory over the men of Troy 🤣 is glorious. Beyond beating those guys up north and not losing to the Beavs, USC losing to the Ducks is primal good. Watch the 2007 game highlights on YouTube...chills! Nothing beats the pick, but any victory (any!) over the condoms is close.

     

    There are some fan bases in B1G I'm hoping to knock down a notch as well. Welcome to the Duck dynasty.... 

     

    Lanning is already Outrecruiting everyone but one. According to some sites, he's beaten them too. It's weird to see Ohio State coming into Eugene as a conference game. It's even stranger to see at Michigan on the same year's schedule. Those two wrangled out of trips to Eugene due to that virus.

     

    As far as vocal fanbases go, at Wisconsin is one of the loudest in any conference.

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    On 2/8/2024 at 11:28 AM, Steven A said:

    Wow, talk about word garbage.  At least the first few minutes as I will never get that time back.

     

    As for the last few minutes, I can't comment since I have those minutes still in my life span.

    I should've just quoted him. Sorry for the minutes you lost, I can't give them back. But just know the Trojans are wasting many more minutes doing mental gymnastics, as they are trying to determine why their 11 national titles makes them better.

     

    All while calling Utah a rival, while Oregon will never be a rival. Because of reasons.

    I grew up in the back end of the Jordan era, beginning of the Kobe/Shaq era.

     

    LeBron James took the joy out of basketball for me. The guy builds teams, wins a title, and then bolts for a team capable of providing him the newest means to win titles. Meanwhile the team he leaves is old, overpriced, and has no draft capital. Filled with guys that James handpicked to suit his needs.

     

    Look at Cleveland in '10, Miami in '14, and Cleveland in 2019.. Plus he just isn't likeable in any sense. He's definitely no Jordan. Contracts mean nothing either. Star players like Durant, Harden, Irving ,and really anybody can force their way out. Or they pout, making the team toxic.

     

    They say there's no I in team, but there is a me in the lettering. So I get the loss of interest.. It's like a pickup game, guys are all friends. Guys making millions giving effort when they want to.

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    I know where most of us put our sports loyalties on here. But I was talking to a Mutt fan from that place up north. He was talking about how all the fans up there are still grieving over the loss of the Sonics, especially with the Thunder now having the best record in the NBA.

     

    He asked me if I was a Blazer fan, I told him not really. But then again I'm originally from the Midwest, right around the Dayton area. So while I became a Duck after moving to the great northwest, I have no loyalties to the Blazers.

     

    He said it's better to have a terrible team, than none at all. 

     

    Any of you guys follow the rebuilding Blazers? Do you agree with the decision to trade Lilliard to Milwaukee, signaling the rebuild? 

     

    Myself, I don't care about most pro sports until the playoffs. Especially MLB, NHL, or the NBA. Just too many games that don't matter.

     

    Every Duck football game matters, that's why I love the team so much. 

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    His son has some kind of disorder, he resides in Boston. I don't get why he even took the Ohio State gig if that was an issue. I'm sure he could've found a job close to home, but family should always come before work. 

     

    I always heard he hated recruiting, and recruiting at Boston College is gonna be much tougher than Ohio State. But whatever he decides, I hope his son gets better.

    The world is not a logical place anymore(if it ever was). The proposition in the article makes sense, but we all know it's not the NCAA that controls the sport. The colleges in the Big leagues will just do what they want.

     

    Look at the Tennessee suit against the NCAA investigation, the State government is getting involved. Not because Tennessee is innocent, but because it's the state's public university. Politicians have delegates, they are entering an election cycle. Which is pretty much the only time they pretend to care about their voters.

     

    Imagine the NCAA going into Arkansas, and telling them they are taking a haircut for the newest cycle. The school could take a one hundred million dollar loss, and I doubt they would understand it's based off European football club relegation standards.

     

    Northwestern is filled with lawyers, journalists, and politicians that are past graduates. You think they would just accept the fact that they are being booted from a 150 year old conference, so Boise State can jump in? I just don't see it. 

     

    The logic is there, a very well written article btw. I agreed with almost the entire thing, even quoting Wikipedia 😂. But the SEC and Big Ten have become too big. The only thing the other programs could do , is bring in the government to try and enforce some sort of regulation. Kind of like how they try to keep companies like Microsoft, WalMart, or Disney from monopolizing the market.

     

    A Big Ten-SEC merger could be seen as "cornering the market". But then you invite an even bigger devil in the door. The only thing worse than an uncaring magnate, is a "caring" politician.

    On 2/4/2024 at 6:16 PM, Jon Joseph said:

    Thanks for the post. But these rankings will be far different come 2025 early signing day in December of 2024.

    Yeah, but it's silly season. Purdue is in the top 15 in recruiting. Greg McElroy has Oregon as the third guaranteed Big Ten playoff participant. Third in order, behind Ohio State and Penn State.

     

    I think we have the toughest schedule of anybody in the league. What a way to get welcomed. Home to Ohio State, at Wisconsin and Michigan. Then closing out with Washington, who I believe will have found their footing by that point.

     

    Looking at Iowa the last decade, they have played both Ohio State and Michigan in the same season...... Twice. I even went back eleven years due to the shortened season.

     

    They played Michigan and Penn State twice. Ohio State and Penn State twice.  We don't even get the luxury of an easy division title.

     

    But that's what we like. We don't wait for the road to clear, we clear it. We don't let old dead trees stand, we make way for young and healthy ones. Take your 150 years of history, and put it in a museum. Puddles is coming for all the prizes. We start with Brutus.

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    Where will Oregon finish up?

     

    I say first because 2024 was signed as a Pac-12 member.

     

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    According  to☝️, Oregon is projected as a tenth seed. With a 38% chance of making the tourney.  If they can get in, I really don't fear any of the seven or two seeds. Purdue has looked like the best team, but until a Big Ten team makes an actual run. I don't fear any of them.

     

     

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    Big Ten is gonna be the NFC, games broadcast on Fox.

     

    SEC is AFC, used to have games on CBS, now ESPN.

     

    Only question is gonna be the final number for each conference. Playoff qualifying and seeding will be based off records. That's about the best thing I can say about this. No more silly computers, or committees deciding who gets in.

     

    Will the two power leagues freeze out Notre Dame? Forcing their hand.

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    On 1/31/2024 at 11:52 AM, David Marsh said:

    There is a big problem with NIL. Namely that schools don't pay players but 3rd parties do. Schools and coaches are technically not allowed to facilitate the deals or know how things are being done...  But most know enough to function. 

     

    NIL isn't capped at the NFL level because the NFL has contracts that bind players to an organization for a period of time and those organizations play those players.

     

    So NIL money is money for advertisements and things where the company paying the player is getting a major tangible benefit from their payment.

     

    Mahomes is paid for his advertisement work and the companies get to put Mahomes on stuff but that isn't how Mahomes makes the majority of his money, it's a side gig. Granted a side gig that pays better than most of our jobs. 

     

    For the majority of the players at the college level most NIL deals are their paychecks and primary source of income. And for many all their NIL deals include is some social media posts. 

     

    Players aren't bound to teams with the portal so they are free to shop the best NIL deals. 

     

    The other major factor at play here is that the pool of players is so much different at the college level than the pro. For the NFL all players need to go through the NFL's gate keeping to be considered worth adding to a team. The biggest of these gates is the draft, get drafted or signed to a team and you're getting paid and may be worth other teams looking to sign you later. 

     

    But at college there are thousands of players at varying skill levels. Some good and will get drafted and others good but won't be drafted. NIL pays these players not the schools. 

     

    So how do you put a cap on something that schools themselves can't regulate? You really can't.

     

    So what would have to happen is that schools and he NCAA pays players and NIL is banned. That way it can actually be regulated. 

     

    NIL at the college level is directed at schools but not run by schools. Whereas at the NFL, NIL is directed at a player regardless of their team. 

     

    Mahomes would still be in state farm adds even if he played or another team. 

     

    Division Street is paying for Dillion Gabriel because he's going to be at Oregon. They wouldn't pay him anything if he went to Washington. 

     

    NIL can't be regulated. 

    Good point. Pandora's box has been opened. Seems like a separation is most likely the outcome.

     

    What I mean by regulation is what inevitably will come from play for pay. You will get female basketball players demand the same cut as male players. You'll get non revenue generating sports players begin to grumble, and it will be nonsensical. The world of economics has no place in some people's minds.

     

    There is going to be a needed statement about a player's economic worth. Bo Nix is going to get more than the starting pitcher on the softball squad. Both are student athletes, but Bo Nix is going to get a deal from Nike. The pitcher may get a much smaller deal from a smaller company.

     

    It has nothing to do with the University. It has nothing to do with your worth as a student athlete. A business like McDonalds can have Gabriel on a commercial, they don't have to offer the star water polo defender. It's real before feel. 

     

    Same reason Oregon is more valuable than Oregon State. It's not personal, just business.

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    There will be a cap on NIL. A period for portals. I hope all things become enforceable. No more coaches signing contracts and then leaving without themselves having to pay off the buyout. No more schools like Florida State seeking an out of a contract they signed freely, no private equity.

     

    Oregon didn't sign anything to keep them tethered to the Pac-12. To me that's why the Bevus lawsuit is nonsense. Oregon invested in their program, made smart hires. Used resources legally to enhance the brand to become an attractive entity in sports that mattered, football being king.

     

    Oregon State was content being mediocre to terrible. They didn't look ahead at the possibility of the Pac-12 going belly up. The warning signs were there, dating back to 2012. But they continued to just believe the bubble would never burst. Zero accountability. The adults in the room failed the future kids that would pay for that incompetence.

     

     

    The SEC and Big Ten leadership has been miles ahead. Lucky for programs like Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, Northwestern, Purdue, Indiana, Rutgers, and the sort. Yes geography helped. But that didn't stop Utah, Oregon, or Boise State from elevating themselves the last two decades.

     

    Accountability, it's why even programs in geographically ideal locations got left out, but got brought back to at least the P4 table. Programs like Houston, UCF, or Cincy. Cincy won three Big East football titles, but got dropped when the league folded. Nobody in the media cried for them.  They invested, competed with a two million dollar media payout. Made a playoff appearance.

     

    So I'm sick of this crying going on right now, about the fate of Oregon State. Oregon didn't betray them, they just made the decision that needed to be made. Just like Oklahoma did, just like how Florida isn't in any mood to help FSU get into the SEC. 

     

    Enjoy the Mountain West ,Beav. Much love-Puddles, in a pond of cash-

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    On 1/30/2024 at 4:16 PM, David Marsh said:

    There is the potential that Oregon and Ohio State play each other THREE times this upcoming season. 

     

    1. Regular season game. 

    2. Conference Championship Game. 

    3. Playoff game at some point --  assuming that both teams only have 1 or 2 losses total (and possibly only to each other) they both make the playoff and have a chance for another rematch. 

     

    What if Oregon and Ohio State end up playing their third game against each other in the National Title game? That would be crazy but it is theoretically possible. 

    Oregon and Ohio State are the two best teams in conference. At least with what we know. Oregon has a much tougher road, but if Oregon wins the first matchup. I see Ohio State not dropping another game. Washington and Michigan are going through rebuilds.

     

    That leaves USC and Penn State. I'm sorry, but Riley teams lack toughness, and Franklin teams lack killer instinct. Oregon and Ohio State should be top five. That means both are probably in with possibly two losses.

     

    I see Oregon winning in Eugene, Ohio State getting some revenge in Indy. Then it's all about seeding. Quite easy to see both teams vying for top six seeds. If all falls right, you could get that third matchup. How appropriate for Oregon to win the rubber match. Avenging the loss in the first ever four team playoff championship, by beating the team that beat them ten years earlier. Claiming the first ever twelve team playoff championship, along with Oregon's first ever title.

     

    Not a bad way to kick off a new era in a new conference. Beating one of the kingpins of Oregon's new home. "I think we're gonna like it here!!"-Lanning after the game-.

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    On 1/29/2024 at 5:18 PM, Jon Joseph said:

    Duckley, great take. But after the 2nd portal go-round the Composite Roster Rankings and Ratings will have Ohio State ahead of Oregon in roster strength and perhaps, as high as 2nd behind Georgia.

     

    Ohio State and Oregon are the 2 B1G schools making national noise in portal picking.

    Very true Jon. I know Ohio State cherry picked guys like Downs, to add to an already top five class. So you are correct, but I'll still say Lanning beat Day in true original high school recruiting . Not his last victory over Mr. Day this upcoming calendar year either😁.

     

    Perhaps more than just once ......

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    Well they've dropped twenty spots in this recruiting breakdown. From 27th to 47th, 14th in the Big Ten, ouch!!!

     

    Oregon has the current top class in the Big Ten. Coming up to 3rd overall, up 4 spots.

     

    Michigan is 15th nationally, 3rd in conference.

     

    Ohio State is 4th nationally, 2nd in the Big Ten. Yes they've lost their conference championship recruiting crown to OBD.

     

    Penn State is 14th nationally, 4th in conference.

     

    USC is 18th nationally, and they round out the top 5 in conference.

     

     

    I'm somewhat shocked USC isn't at least top ten nationally, but my guess is it's due to them relying more on the portal. Which speaks to their ability to judge high school talent.

     

     

     

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