I think I listed on another thread that the thing I was most looking forward to this season was the Moore to Moore connection, so was definitely on my radar. The thing I most underestimated was probably the running back room. We have a very deep and top end crew to survive the long season. Think that position was on fumes late last year.

Weak slate of B1G games and ABC had the “big one”. OBD are top-5 with a conference game, probably the best choice.

4 minutes ago, WTD25 said:

I don't like seeing the demise of the Beavers and WSU.

One of my favorite things about rooting for the P12 in the past was seeing schools with less resources and brand reputations find enough diamond-in-the-rough players and coaches to be competitive and beat bigger/better programs.

I do believe the P2 made a mistake in not simply joining the MWC; there can be strength in numbers there.

I mostly agree, but your last line is key for me.

I might be starting to feel empathy towards them if they had joined with their partners in the MWC instead of trying to destroy and now sue them. They put their faith in a lesser version (TG) of the previous conference administration which had the track record of destroying the best conference in the history of college conferences. TG was more interested in keeping her job than doing what was best for the conference IMO. They kept basking in the glory of temporary “bean-counting” victories instead doing what was right in front of them and creating a really good conference that could have started this year.

They needed to strike while the iron was hot, instead they dragged things out while their rosters became a joke. The new bottom feeders they added to the new PAC are absolutely no better than the bottom feeders of the MWC. There really is no reasonable explanation for why they didn’t merge, it was the longterm solution right in front of of their face, but they didn’t want to risk sharing their short-term windfall, imo.

I think Beavis has an outside shot at 0-12 now.

They’re almost certainly starting 0-6 imo, 1-5 at best. The last 6 games on their schedule are pathetic, but so are they. WSU looks like the better team, and they play twice. Some of those random teams are going to have better athletes than they think.

I’d put their ceiling at 4-8 at this point.

Seriously, there’s nothing to suggest they won’t be middle of the PAC if that conference sticks around. The one advantage they used to have over their new conference teams was their association with the real PAC. In the new PAC they’re just some wannabe trying to recruit against teams located in better recruiting markets.

You were saying? Oh Beavis.

Interesting, but I don’t read a whole lot into rotations when the game is decided in the 1st quarter. I don’t think that walk-on is our third string.

Gotta score more than 10 before I’m impressed 😜

Guy fires his son as OC only to field the exact same offense.

Happy Thanksgiving my boy!

29 minutes ago, David Marsh said:

This has gotten me thinking about both OSU's that wear orange and black and how alike they actually are. They are in different positions but both have opted for the "things are fine" approach.

Oregon State has never really invested in their football program. They have always rejected the Oregon approach of invest in the program and strive to improve and good things will happen. Instead they opted for the goal of just reaching a bowl game is good enough. The embodiment of this is their hiring of Mike Riley and the maintaining of his contract. Riley was a good coach, he had more winning seasons than losing ones at Oregon State and he kept the Beavers generally towards the middle of the Pac.

But he never got them to a Rose Bowl by winning the conference. OSU never invested in the program and they were fine with the status quo.

Oklahoma State had money invested and they hired Gundy back in 2005 making Gundy one of the longest (if not the longest) tenured coach in college football. Gundy has been better than Riley and Oklahoma State has invested more into their program than Oregon State. But Oklahoma State didn't seem to leverage their funds into building a next level program. They are firmly in the BIg 12 which is much much much better than Oregon State's situation but the SEC isn't calling on Oklahoma State to join them.

It feels like Oklahoma State is just fine with where they're at right now. Maybe in a few years they'll get more active about trying to build a better NIL collective and leverage their resources into building up their program but in a lot of ways Gundy feels like Riley. Just fine.

I’d go so far as to say they’re almost identical.

If the PAC had survived and the B12 was the one to blow up they might be in the same situation as Beavis. We will never know but I’m guessing Okie would have been on the bubble as an ACC or PAC expansion list target.

Oh yeah, every team not called BSU that’s joining the league in 2026 is at best a mediocre G6.

Don’t think it’ll be a problem. Last day to register for classes is Jan 12th in 2026 for instance….and it’s athletics, guessing they'll find a way.

13 minutes ago, JabbaNoBargain said:

I think we’re pretty well established on the field.

Since 1994 (31 years!) OkState has one conference title and zero playoff appearances.

Having a particularly notable donor does not make us the same.

Follow up, we all know, but when you tally it up it’s pretty stark.

Using the same criteria, since 1994 OBD have 10 conference titles and 3 playoff (including BCS title game) appearances.

FYI - A little context - prior to the expanded playoff last year, only 10 teams had ever made the playoff.

I think we’re pretty well established on the field.

Since 1994 (31 years!) OkState has one conference title and zero playoff appearances.

Having a particularly notable donor does not make us the same.

On 8/30/2025 at 7:08 PM, WTD25 said:

I’m as happy as can be seeing Bama lose, but I’m surprised DeBoer is struggling so much there.

Never follow a legend.

Fascinating.

Clearly doesn’t matter all THAT much on September 2…but I would penalize Texas and Clemson a lot more. I don’t care who they were playing against, those were some anemic offensive outputs given how much build up they both had as supposed offensive juggernauts.

So is he looking to join the new PAC?

Seriously, aren’t the Cowboys members of a P4? Are they going to opt out of joining the new big boy division when it happens?

Welcome!

There is very little untainted analysis of anything on TV in general imo. It’s all about packaging the next thing to watch or buy. What used to be fun and an event (any GameDay show on Saturday) has now become noise and I’m tuning in for just the game.

I think the only ones spinning Cal as being good are Beavis fans in denial. Cal will be lucky to go 6-6, I think. Their QB s promising, but didn’t really do THAT much after the 1st quarter. Cal destroyed OSU last year and still had a bad season.

Oh yeah, I watched the whole thing.

I was going into this game just stunned by local Beaver Nation that really thought they had everything figured out and had this game penciled in as a W. Oregonian writers borderline gushing and nearly unanimous in picking Beavis for this game because “Cal had a lot of turnover”. The day and age of returning players being the primary indicator are loooong gone. If you go 5-7 against a terrible schedule and no one wants any of your players, that’s not a good thing.

Their miracle QB? Turns out Duke didn’t want him for whatever reason and he was desperate to find a team late in the game. Beavis thought they were being a pimp selecting whatever players they wanted from a P4. Surprise!

I predicted 7-5 was their upside, but that may be optimistic. Teams like Houston and AP State might just bushwhack them. This was their roster at full strength and it’s not good. The starters are pretty bad and I’m guessing the backups are atrocious. Coaching is also pretty bad. They should have hired the Idaho guy.

The new PAC launch is going to be scintillating next year.

The possibility of the SEC opening with 3 top-10 OOC losses in week 1 is most excellent!

Compare this to our opener against a similar opponent 1 year ago. Overall team looks much better out of the gate.

I’d say Dante played as perfectly as possible with the given scenario. No mistakes, nearly perfect decision making, changed protection multiple times…dude has a cannon.

Hence the B1G wanting to expand the playoff to 20+.

Sounds absurd on the surface (to me at least), but professional sports leagues typically put around 35 - 40% of their teams into their playoff. Split off 60-70 teams into the new top division, and yep, 40% of 60 would be a 24 team playoff.

Just trust in the secret formula be driven by ESPN and Sankey, no worries moving forward!

BSU is an interesting one and the new PAC might want to hold their breath a little as they are supposed to be the new shining star.

Since COVID, BSU had lost at least 4 games each season up until last year. Not exactly a scintillating trend given who they’ve been playing. From what I saw, they look to be reverting to that norm.

Will make for a pretty bad first year of the new PAC next year if they have a collection of 6-6 (or worse) teams, against supposedly worse competition in 2025, joining together to launch things 2026.

Great responses!

I’d say the ship has sailed, especially with the expanded B1G. Are they hoping to crack the top-6 in the conference now? Oklahoma may be just behind them on the path of fallen powers.