I’ve been thinking that this is a more likely ultimate outcome as opposed to a purely “super-conference” that actually kicks out the Vanderbilts and Northwesterns of the world.

Totally. WSU will potentially be volatile this week with BSU on the immediate horizon. I’m guessing they get stomped pretty hard, and of course, UW lost to WSU, sooo.

Fun article!

 

But yes, being kind to OSU imo. I’d put OSU at #7, slot in Cal at #4 given they have a road win against the SEC. Rest of the sequence I agree with for sure.

 

 

Sounds like this will be a small class, so will be tough to crack the top-5…but I like the look of our current “Star Average”, #1 on Rivals at least.

Timing is everything and I understood we took the best deal for us longterm by joining…but I still feel most snookered over our initial half-share. We’re bringing more juice to the league than anyone else, outside of the obvious powers.
 

The B1G got a great deal.

Despite my posts, my interest is waning fast. The funny thing is, even if they “win”, look at what they’re fighting for as a prize, the ability to create/pilfer a G6 conference more cheaply. Awesome job piggies, tell me more.

 

My ultimate takeaways are:

1. No empathy from this guy, zero respect for them
2. I’m personally now 💯 in favor of not playing them (even next year)
3. They’re joining/creating a G6 conference, do I really care about the bean counting to get there? Cool story bro.

 

I’m surprised people are surprised. Two west coast teams, one of them predicted to be terrible, yet they are LA based. Sounds like a late night slot to me.

 

Im guessing that if UCLA was in the top-10 we’d have a different slot.

On 9/24/2024 at 3:20 PM, GeotechDuck said:

I actually thought it was a decent idea to try and get a “best of the rest” conference together with the best MWC and AAC teams……….

Good concept, but trying to write a check they can’t cash and the others saw through it.

Another thing that occurs to me, they think they’re being clever by approaching this with the idea of poaching the top end of the MWC. Somehow or another that will move the needle as a conference if you don’t include the bottom end.

 

Big flaw imo.

 

What you’re doing is increasing the odds for the champ to have multiple losses while only minimally increasing yours odds of having multiple ranked teams. Combine this with alienating all west coast G6 schools that don’t join up…who are you going to get to play you at home OOC?

 

OBD definitely need to not provide a home game for them, or any G6, moving forward.

On 9/24/2024 at 11:29 AM, kirklandduck said:

Ok so the drama never stops apparently.  After UNLV and SJSU seemingly reaffirmed their commitment to the MWC, UNLV now appears to be reconsidering after watching Utah State commit to the Pac-6.  They are expected to restart talks with the Pac soon.

 

Sources: UNLV exploring options after Utah State joins Pac-12 - ESPN

WWW.ESPN.COM

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UNLV is expected to reengage in conversations with the Pac-12 after its commitment to the Mountain West earlier in the day was not formalized, sources told ESPN

 

And it’s all boiling down to the PIG2 joining the MWC without admitting that’s what is happening. Somehow this is better than peacefully adding the piggies to the MWC and getting a slightly better media deal than the MWC currently has.  
 

At some point, will someone realize Teresa’s ego probably isn’t worth this nonsense?

 

Nah.

On 9/24/2024 at 10:19 AM, Charles Fischer said:

Rejected by AAC teams?  Adding Utah-frickening-State? Wow, how much more confirmation of your value do you need?

 

No, instead of accepting the blame of their prior administrators in building their audience and brand, Beavis decided to blame Oregon.  Through it all, they believed they could build an adequate replica of the Pac-12.

 

Truly, they are the Scrap-12 now, and it has been shown to the world.  No hiding, no spinning it, and not even Canzano can ignore reality.  Their media contract will be 10 million a year, while Oregon's averages 49 million over the next 10 years because of the difference in value from audience and brand.

 

THAT is why they were left behind; we did not leave them behind, but Fox and ESPN left them behind without an offer through a conference.  The numbers were not there...

 

What is most astounding to me, is how they are spending all the stolen money retaining a brand that will be synonymous with the Mountain West within a few years, if not already. 

 

They are continuing what got them into this mess to begin with...

 

 

So, are they going to blame all the recent rejections on Oregon too?

Indeed. They’ve stooped to adding a team currently under investigation by the DOJ, which I believe was against the real P12 rules…selling their soul to add a powerhouse like Utah State. The P12 brand was tested (again) and found to only hold value for 4/5 additional schools that have been trying to join for decades. I’m sure they wish they’d kept their receipts.

 

From what I’ve heard (and trust), the media deal will probably be $8-9m per school without going farther east.

It’s funny peeking in on their boards.
 

12 months ago, no Beavis fan that was right in the head would think that keeping company with Utah State was progress. Now they have convinced themselves it’s an amazing potential conference mate.

 

Solidly G6

 

 

Not to mention Utah State is in some pretty serious turmoil right now

On 9/23/2024 at 5:30 PM, David Marsh said:

I know I've said it elsewhere.... But also waiting for the ACC to break apart is worth their while. 

 

Also the scrap-6 will probably get a media deal around 10-15 mil per school and be relagated to late night programming. I figure the schools they got so far are probably worth 10mil (slightly higher than current MW pay out and a LOT lower than what the pac-12 was getting before the break up) for the late night programming. 

 

So for those AAC schools they'll have to travel more and play late at night on the east Coast. 

 

Wait for the ACC to break up and get into a tier 2 conference and not a tier 3.

Google says the current MWC total deal is $6M per with $4m coming “purely from media value”, whatever that means. I think the scrap top-end is $10M.

Still hard to imagine more than 2 losses in there.

 

1 great team, 1-2 good teams. The rest it's mostly too soon to tell definitively, but they probably range from average to terrible IMO.

 

Of the 3 (tOSU, UM, Illinois) really good teams we play, 2 are at home. Wisconsin might improve, but their offense was already challenged before losing their QB. Any losses to the rest of the schedule would be a significant upset. I personally think Wisconsin is on a bad, warm coaches seat type of path.

 

Despite their most recent efforts collectively, not playing Nebraska, Iowa, USC, and PSU this year is an advantage. Those are all probably bottom end of the top half of the conference this year...it feels like we're playing a lot of the bottom half.

From last year! I mean it is still 90% similar to just about any year though 

ORT-12 is spot on, but no one would get it lol

Those are all very good first stabs. Could probably fish around some B12 sites from the last couple years to find a lot of ideas.

 

I’d lean towards scrap-12 myself, adds a bit more oomph than just saying they suck. Be nice to find three letters that work, that’s what made the PIG2 so brilliant 😂 

 

I'm sure Seattle U and Grand Canyon are doing great things in the historic WAC!

On 9/22/2024 at 11:05 AM, DanLduck said:

I don't think either wsu or osu can qualify unless they become highest ranked G5. Most likely that will be a G5 team that wins their conference. 

 

Currently the Pac? is NOT a bona-fide conference. They need a minimum of 8 teams. So until the 2026 season, they can qualify for a bowl but will miss out on playoffs. They were given 2 years to figure things out by NCAA. 

 

Whatever teams result in being in the Pac, they will never be granted an automatic spot in current playoff format. They need to be highest ranked G5(or 6) conference winner.

The powers that be, SEC and B1G, will not give a renamed MWC a place at the playoff trough.

 

Besides winning conference, they will need at minimum, one major  ooc win.

Just another reason to not schedule them every year.

The PIG2 are considered independent this year and next, and can only make the playoff as an at large…being highest ranked G5 means nothing for them. If the playoff was today Boise would be in as the highest and only ranked G5, but only if they won the MWC.

 

It does beg the question that I don’t know the answer to. What happens if there isn’t a ranked G5 conference champ?

“Automatic bid” is a bit of a misnomer I think. As it stands currently, a future PAC winner doesn’t just get in from winning the conference, they still have to be one of the five highest ranked conference champions…that’s the only criteria for an auto-bid, including the P4. It’s assumed the four highest ranked conference champions will come from the P4, leaving 1 for the best of the rest.
 

Technically, in a future year, if for some reason the CUSA and AAC champs were ranked #13 and #14, and for whatever reason one of the P4 champs was ranked below that, the lower ranked P4 champ could be left out entirely.

 

I would also add it’s assumed by many that the rodents will be kingpins of whatever conference they cobble together.
 

Not so fast my friends!

 

The rodents are currently a product of the company they kept in the old PAC, but they still sunk to the bottom of that group of friends historically. The core reasons they sunk remain. Teams like SDSU, BSU, Fresno, and UTSA could easily surpass them within the G6 space.
 

I predict they’ll be facing the same uphill fight in a lesser PAC.

 

 

There’s a reason 2 teams have dominated the conference lately with a rotation of other teams rounding out the top 5. If USC had been USC the last 10 years, the PAC would have been the better conference imo. People couldn’t wrap their heads around a team like Utah being every bit as good as say, PSU for at least the last 5 years.

 

Your perspective is right on from my view point. The 4 additions will help a lot…but there are a lot of Mississippi State or Cal equivalents in the conference. Teams that are solid when senior dominated, but very mediocre most other years.

On 9/21/2024 at 9:12 PM, OregonDucks said:

LOL. What’s the over/under for UCLA attendance for an 8pm game on a Saturday?

I’d set it at 40k, with about 15k OBD fans. 

Awesome! Nephew has a wedding in Monmouth that afternoon, not a problem now 😂 

Beavis should have enough horses to get to at least 7 wins, I can’t see them losing more than 4 more games with that schedule. Barring significant injuries I’d guess 8-4. 
 

Lot of games coming up just short of the upsets I was wanting this weekend, pretty much a meh day for outcomes, for me at least 😂 

Two of them will be out before the end of the month 😂