Not gonna lie, finances and being nationally invisible aside, I miss it.

B12 has never been interested under any scenario, Why would they suddenly be interested in adding a couple outpost programs that add nothing to the mix? When the B12 went west they added the top programs from the cities of  Phoenix, Tucson, SLC, and Denver.
 

Why is now the time to willingly add some leaches? I find this a bit hard to believe.

On 4/8/2025 at 10:15 PM, Nevada Dawg said:

I don't see Bama-FSU as a crapshoot. Though I can't say who will be under center (is anybody actually there anymore) Bama's roster is loaded with elite talent and I don't believe that FSU's is so blessed. I'd guess Bama wins this one comfortably.

After last season, I think the crap shoot really is what happens if FSU loses by 28 at home to open the season? Lose by 50 get fired on the sideline? 😜 

 

 

Great thread, gimme some football!

Didn’t scroll down far enough on the list of games, ND@Miami pretty epic on multiple levels

Hard to top that one!

 

Depends on how they’re defining week zero this year 😂 There are several games on 8/23, but there are quite a few good/interesting first games (on paper at least) a week later.

Alabama@FSU and Auburn@Baylor are the types of games that could lead to some very hot seats or some big program turnarounds.

 

GaTech@CU very interesting game, ditto LSU@Clemson.

 

On 4/8/2025 at 4:07 PM, 30Duck said:

Way to Early basketball predictions are just as useless as football are. It's hard to project Oregon to challenge in the B1G. It is good to remember though that Florida wasn't picked to win the SEC.

This. Florida lost in first round last year if I’m not mistaken. Wild thing about basketball is that one player can flip everything, anyone guessing anything prior to the portal running its course is just…guessing.

 

As to Wilner, at this point he’s up there with clownzano in my world view.

Good news he’s not transferring or anything, we definitely need him!

 

Funny how there seems to be 50 college teams with 3+ “draft worthy” players out there for a 2 round draft. 🤔 

My take is their short term greed killed them along with a commissioner more concerned about her job existing than the conference being successful. There was a moment in time when the PAC brand might have still relatively resonated, that they needed to immediately reverse merge with the MWC and negotiate a media deal that might have fetched $15-20m per team. But they took the short term cash hoping for who knows what. Now they’re holding onto a brand nobody cares about while creating a hostile and competitive market with the MWC.

 

Well done piggies!

Value added!

Great find!

 

I’ve been saying all along that there is nothing to suggest the PIG2 won’t ultimately find themselves in nearly the same place if they rebuild the PAC into a top G6 conference.
 

A bit of a paradox, if they’re adding teams with large recruiting advantages and better geography than the PIG2 have, they’ll slip to at best middle of the conference. If they’re adding teams they can have sustained success against it won’t be a top G6.

 

Enjoy the bean counting wars piggies, you peaked a year ago. 😂 

I’d really guess in this case the kid was a senior with one more year of eligibility left who wants more playing time. His production actually declined from his junior year which isn’t a good trend if you want to go out with a bang. A guard shooting under 70% from the free throw line his senior year is not a great lagging indicator imo.

 

Bittle did exactly what he should do, but in the universe where we have NIL I’ll be very surprised if he’s not back.

I mean, nothing against the kid, but a senior that averaged 6.9 points and 2.8 rebounds off the bench hitting the portal isn’t exactly a red alert or this teams biggest issue imo. We need a serious infusion of offensive firepower.

On 3/31/2025 at 10:30 AM, HDuck said:

Relative to units, keep in mind UW and UO get full shares.  Sometimes the insistent chatter that both are receiving half shares when "the traitors left the Pac" loses the significance that the half shares until 2030 apply only to the media portion of revenue.   Half shares do not apply to Basketball Tournament or Football Playoff shares, or to some other conference revenue.  (And, the half shares of media revenue have an annual escalator leading up to 2030)

 

On the other hand, Oregon St and WSU will continue to receive ALL the tournament shares for the former members of the Pac12 conference because they still declare there is a Pac12 conference.  They will never consider another conference name or formal organization until all of those legacy shares from the Tournament are paid out.  It is a rolling six-year distribution earned by former members that the NCAA will keep paying through 2028.

 

This is also why the Pac will get to 8 full-sports members before 2026.  If they don't, OSU and WSU risk losing those Tournament payouts and they would revert to the individual former conference members.  There has to be a Pac conference from 2026-28 to receive the shares.

 

The women's tournament did not have that type of distribution so there is no legacy shares from the women's tournament.  HOWEVER, the NCAA is actively discussing "retroactive shares" which would mean OSU & WSU would receive those also.

 

more details here in this column from April 2024:

 

'Pac-2' members Washington St, Oregon St cashing in from NCAA Tournament

WWW.FOX13SEATTLE.COM

---

Thanks to four men’s teams from the Pac-12 Conference making the NCAA Tournament — and all winning at least one game — Washington State and Oregon State have added another chunk...

 

Hope they enjoy the scraps, then again, they’ve always been bottom feeders gaining from other’s success, so this is nothing new.
 

Biggest difference now is even fewer people know they exist. 😜 

6’7, 185 and can’t shoot the three. I wish him luck!

An exercise in imagination. Why limit it to Beavis? Let’s get some NFL crossover to really test our players. 🙃

Indeed on the free throws. Very entertaining game that makes me realize how much I miss the old PAC. Different level of being into it against these guys. We had to make the move to the B1G, but now that we’ve completed a season of hoops and football, I’m not a fan of it at all.

 

Okay season in hoops, nothing wrong with making the tourney and winning a game.

Don’t get me wrong, SEC losing not a bad thing either…I can’t lose!

St John’s fever is annoying me 😂 

 

One of the few times I’ll ever root for the SEC AND Calipari coming up!

On 3/14/2025 at 1:14 PM, 30Duck said:

I hope he is back. This is his first injury-free season. He made 3rd team. All-Defense. I think another year he could do at least that well again, maybe better.

 

•  

• 
  
•  

Given NIL versus his prospects as a pro, I’d be surprised if he didn’t come back

I’d also say Blair. He was All-Pac 3 times with a questionable roster and coach.

On 3/14/2025 at 10:10 AM, GeotechDuck said:

Yeah...agree that this is Oregon's major issue.  At the guard/wing position especially, you have a bunch of players that are good in 1 to 2 areas, but have some limitations.

 

Bamba is an elite defender and rebounds well, but for most of the season has been a liability on offense, shooting around 35% from the floor.

Key is a solid shooter and can fill it up, but his size is an issue on defense.

Moss is a good defender, but a liability of offense.

Tracey is an average D1 player on both ends.

Shelstad is giving up size and can be inconsistent on offense 

 

When Oregon runs into a team like MSU that has really good players that are complete and can play both ends of the floor, they are going to struggle.

 

 

Yep, I think the tiny stature starts to show up when it’s day 2 and they start getting bounced around by NBA sized guards on loose balls. Might be more navigable in the big tourney without back to back games.

On 3/14/2025 at 10:04 AM, 30Duck said:

42-32 State at halftime. State got off to an 8-0 start, Oregon battled back, and it was close until State went on a 11-2 run. According to the announcers, the Ducks aren't all on the same page. The fouls are going State's way, which might be a little subjective, but the offensive rebound and 2nd chance points is why the Spartans are winning. 

Yep, every loose ball on their shots, particularly missed free throws, seems like they had at least 3 offensive boards on a missed free throw.

On 3/14/2025 at 9:57 AM, spartan2785 said:

Very true, very tough to compete against the elite with 6'1 and 6'2 unless you have a massive frontline.

Listed of course, Barth is probably 5’11 tops.

On 3/14/2025 at 9:54 AM, spartan2785 said:

Getting exposed, this what I was worried about, Michigan St. killing us on the boards, we don't have the offensive chops against an actual good team....at least in this half.

 

Tiny guards can be manageable during the overall regular season, but not in big boy time. Our guards are soooo small.

On 3/14/2025 at 9:50 AM, spartan2785 said:

ridiculous officiating, any time sparty bumps us no foul, any time we touch State whistle.  Officials sure seem to favor the old guard.

Yes, we needed to join this conference but I don’t have to like it.