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Jon Joseph
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Sorry for the dupe post. This rumor belongs in Fantasy Land but what in the heck do I know?
I do not see B1G Prez taking in non-AAU member schools Clemson and FSU when the B1G doesn't need the money and already extends coast-to-coast. Why would Ohio State, Michigan, etc., want to recruit against Clemson and FSU? Who is going to come up with $60M plus for each school in alimony payments?
The only reason this has a heartbeat IMO would be Fox Network's determination to hose over ESPN.
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THIS is an example of why I am more than ready for some football.
Neither Clemson nor FSU is an AAU member school. This matters to B1G Prez. And about that $60M + buy out? Details.
Now, based on my recent track record, watch this happen.
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Records will be broken in the deepest Pac-12 conference in years. Will Bo Nix eclipse one or more of Marcus Mariota's records? And will Troy Franklin break the Oregon season TD record with more than 12 TDs?
Not long now before our winter of discontent turns into glorious college football. It will be so nice to have results on the field to ponder instead of dealing with a ream of rumors.
Gold: 9 potential Pac-12 conference records and team records that could fall in 2023
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Records are made to be broken, and with some superstars -- even a record-breaking kicker! -- returning, a handful of the Pac-12's...-
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On 7/30/2023 at 10:20 PM, HappyToBeADuck said:
I dont feel the quality of play in the PAC, nor because the fan interest toward our marginal teams is lacking.
The PAC plays some exciting football, however it is difficult ro find, for alot of viewers across the country.
Much of this I blame on the woeful decision making by LS and the Presidents in the beginning years of the PAC network.
LS and the Presidents miscalculated the value of the PAC, repeatedly. Direct TV wanted to carry the PAC 12 Network and its 6 affiliates. The PAC Network wanted RSN (Regional Sports Network) status. It pays more money to the PAC That meant that ALL Direct TV customers would have to pay for the PAC 12 Networks, whether they wanted to or not. Direct TV didn't feel that SEC, ACC and BIG fans would want an extra charge for something they weren't interested in. Makes sense, so no deal was made.
Also, the PAC 12 Network did not control the Tier 1 rights or all their games. Honestly, no games of national interest were on the PAC 12 Networks. Just regional broadcasts of interest to the fans of the teams playing.
In 2018, after AT&T acquired Direct TV and Univrse, a deal was struck that would add 18 million plus subscribing viewers to the PAC 12 network broadcasts. That would have put the P12 Network at 37 million.
The day before the announcement, AT&T added a condition to its terms. All 12 schools would have to make AT&T the on campus preferred telecom provider. This would hace cost each school millions but the 12 schools would have still split $37 million in the first year.
It was probably a bad deal for the PAC schools and better for AT&T but the deal fell thru. The Direct Tv still would have paid more money for football ro the schools than the P-12 Network was paying the school for all sports.....
Then in 2019 ESPN wanted to take over the P-12 Network and extend the media deal with the PAC thru 2030. ESPN audience was around 38 million. LS wanted to sell a 10% share of the P-12 Network for $500 million dollars. A ridiculous number so ESPN and every media broadcasting companies said NO.
That included a NO from Fox...
The PAC said no to ESPN, letting them know they could go to market and get much more money in a bidding war in 2023-24.
So far that hasnt worked out very well.
Once again the PAC leadership turned down a growth in viewership numbers on a national level. As a fan, you cant watch what you cant get.
Now you can get games on Sling and other providers. But SEC fans, ACC fans and BIG fans aren't going to do that.
Just like, OBDF members, they want to sit down, turn on the TV and watch a game on their cable subscriber.
The landscape has changed and PAC leadership miscalculated.
I wonder if ESPN and FOX are punishing the PAC for those previous rejections?
You get the PAC available nationally and fans will watch. There is nothing wrong with the product and the exclusive late night broadcasts of the PAC 9 Conference
Great recap. How objective was Larry with his network CEO salary on the line when it came to valuing the ESPN offer? I'll wager donuts to dollars that Larry did not recuse himself from the discussions and the board of directors allowed this to happen when the network never once reached its lowest projected revenue distributions. BTW, I wonder who hired the consultants that came up with glorified, absurd projections? But I don't have to ponder this too long to determine the usual suspect.
Harvard, Stanford, and every business school in the nation should present a case study of what happens when totally unqualified people serve on a board of directors. People who put their 'shareholders' behind effete academic requirements. The opposite case study is to look at the SEC and see what a qualified incented group of directors under the purview of qualified administrators can do to elevate a conference that before the BCS was on the same footing as the Pac-10/12.
The B1G is big only because of the location of its member institutions and because of having legions of Alumni/Alumnae. Too B1G to fail.
For the Pac Conference, it has been two decades plus of see-foot, shoot. If the NIKE board and not an unqualified group of academicians had been calling the shots things would have been far different.
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Wrathis, I agree with your thoughts and strongly agree with Charles that Oregon will land on its webbed feet.
With the B1G playing 9 conference games and USC playing Notre Dame, I don't see Troy in a hurry to schedule another P5 team OOC; however, having said this, SC does play both LSU and ND in 2024. I do think we will see SC and UCLA play Cal or Stanford in a given year. If I were a UCLA representative I'd go to the Board of Regents with an offer to play Cal every year as soon as the schedule allows with Cal getting a 2-for-1 deal with two games played in Berkeley every 3 years. This, instead of having to pay a Cal tax.
As to CU, like Rhett Butler, I frankly don't give a damn. I do hope Oregon takes the opportunity this season to stick it to Prime and to Lincoln Riley.
One thing for certain, I pray that the powers-that-be in Eugene will not schedule any one-off games versus the LA schools. Do nothing to alleviate the travel headaches these 2 illegitimate offspring will encounter.
My Swami deductive powers; well, I've lost my mojo. But I continue to be sunny side up when it comes to Ducks sports.
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Does the merit of an Oregon or Stanford degree rest one whit on the success of after-school sports?
I played in the college sports little league world of D3. None of us were on scholarship but we had a lot of fun playing ball and hockey out of the national spotlight as did those in the drama club, debating club, science club, outdoors club, etc.
Oregon will end up in the conference where it is supposed to end up. And Oregon sports will be successful no matter the arena in which sports are contested. All speculation as to the landing place will not matter one iota as to where Puddles makes its nest.
All of this pondering is interesting but will not dictate or influence where Oregon calls its conference home. The fact that money will dictate the decision makes the Dinosaur in me (spot on Charles) somewhat sad. But seeing the concepts of loyalty, ethics, tradition, and camaraderie disappearing in a cesspool of dollars makes me even more sad.
What will happen will happen and the University of Oregon and its sports teams will be just fine.
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The ACC/Pac merger makes the most sense IMO for Oregon at this time. Lawyers loop the holes and this could be construed as a break up of the ACC which means the existing media deal with ESPN that runs through 2036 goes away.
The ACC base deal stinks; however, the ACC due to ACC Network revenue distribution, delivered $40M to each member school in 2022. More than the B12 and the Pac-12 distributed. Call the combined conference what you will, Coast-to-Coast or otherwise, Oregon would get a viewing bump by being folded into what is today's ACC network owned and operated by ESPN and available on all major cable channels including DirecTV. Oregon would be a far bigger presence in the ACC than in the B1G. A full partner instead of a partner junior to Rutgers and Northwestern. I'd prefer to be a bigger Duck in a smaller pond than be behind Ohio State, Michigan, USC, Iowa, Wisconsin, and UCLA in terms of having influence in the B1G.
Oregon's viewer numbers are better than any ACC team other than Clemson. UW and Utah are right there with FSU.
These would be the national rankings based on 2022 football viewership
6. Notre Dame - this would be the prize and could happen with ND getting a favored nation deal and the existing ACC football scheduling agreement with ND going away.
10. Clemson/ 12. Oregon/ 15. FSU/ 33. Utah/ 34. UW/ 41. Washington State/ 43. NC St/ 45. Cal/ 46. UNC/ 47. Stanford/ 48. Syracuse/ 49. Georgia Tech/ 56. Pitt/ 57. Oregon State/ 59. Miami/ 60. Wake/ 61. Arizona/ 62. Louisville/ 68. BC/ 70. ASU/ 75. VA Tech/ 78. UVA/ 93. Duke.
This would be a merger of equals with 4 Pac teams, excluding ND, being in the top 6 most watched. Oregon would have a great deal of influence in this scenario. And the numbers for CBB would be far better than the Pac-9 viewer numbers.
Travel would be abated by going with divisions or with pod scheduling.
I think that in the long run, this would be far better than following the B12 and adding a patchwork of G5 teams. This would drop more money to the bottom line today and this conference would clearly come in #3 in a Power 4. The ACC has already agreed that teams making the CFB and CBB playoffs will receive a bigger piece of the pie.
Certainly, Oregon has more in common with ACC schools than it does with B12 schools.
I wouldn't simply ignore this possibility for realignment.
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Edited by Jon Joseph
Oregon - 2024 - at Hawaii - makes sense for recruiting Pacific Islanders.
2024 - at Boise State/ 2028 - at Utah State. SENSELESS. You need to do a 2 for one to get Alabama once in Autzen I get it. But to play at Boise and Utah St so you can get MW teams in Autzen twice makes IMO, no sense. Where is the financial and on-the-field benefit of this kind of scheduling?
Too late to dump Texas Tech but not too late to dump Baylor and Ok St. Why give any additional pub to the B12 and basically play no-win games? Why give Fox an upgrade in B12 inventory? Games you are expected to win and are dissed nationally if you take the L. I saw no reason to schedule these teams, to begin with. What kind of tradition does OR have playing B12 schools? Other than Rob following the TX Tech AD as chair of the football playoff committee.
With the PO going to 12 teams in 2024 and with the top 6 ranked conference champs in the field, Oregon needs a spotlight OOC game every season. The game 'at' UGA drew 6M+ eyeballs and even with the beat down Oregon, had Bo stayed healthy, had a great chance at the Final 4. A win in Lubbock would not have done more for Oregon than the loss in Atlanta.
I don't expect the Pac-8 to smarten up but today, Oregon has to make smart, calculated moves to make an impact nationally and escape the nation's nonchalance when it comes to the northwest. The Oregon brand is strong but it will not sell itself. In many respects, I think Rob and the OR SID are missing in action. Where are the Joey Heisman billboards? And the promotion of basketball, men, and women both, is sorely lacking.
With bonuses, Rob makes over $1M a year. No more excuses as to how difficult it is to sell teams on coming to Autzen; especially, when Wisconsin is playing in Pullman, Florida in SLC, and Auburn in Berkeley. Do the darn job!
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After CU? I smell smoke from whatever source and I'm looking for fire. All we heard from the Pac-9 emergency meeting was SSDD. I have absolute trust and faith in the Oregon brand and zero trust in GK and the people who hired GK. Forget a patchwork Pac, leave ASAP for a full share in the ACC or a lesser split in the B1G.
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On 7/29/2023 at 10:30 PM, HappyToBeADuck said:
Crazyjeff, i like your choices and i would would add a few more because this is simply a wish list.
My thoughts rarely coinside with the President/Chancellors.... but here goes. I must admit I am fatigued on this subject.......
SMU should be the next team invited to get back to 10 . They are a more attractive member than CU ever was..
SDSU is a solid choice. I would bring in Fresno State to be a travel partner. This makes economic sense and can create a natural CALI rivalry with Stanford and CAL. Thats if the knucklehead decision makers want to get to 12 members.
UTSA should be the next school invited to be SMU's natural travel partner and that brings us to 13 members.
Utah needs a natural travel partner. So depending on the Tier 1 rights holder that could be CSU or BSU.
Now we are at 14 members.
For my impossible wish list I would add Tulane and Memphis as travel partners. This would take the PAC to 16 members.
Now the PAC would provide games in all 4 time zones for their media partners.
Of course their has to be a streamer company involved because FOX is actively manipulating the demise of the PAC. And ESPN is broke and up for sale.
And it goes without saying that the PAC leadership will have a difficult time replacing the pissant juggernaut that was CU. Let alone making bold moves to rxpand the foot print.
Gosh it was fun to dream for a few minutes.
Fun thoughts and no B1G deal but New Orleans and Memphis are both in the Central time zone. Makes for easier travel than SC and UCLA will face in the B1G and CU has to trip to West Virginia and Orlando.
I'd take UNLV over Fresno. The viewer numbers for #45 most viewed Cal - 857K and #47- Stanford - 846K are not all that bad. Fresno comes in at #79 with 220K viewers And I doubt that the 2 SFO schools would want to compete with Fresno for recruits. UNLV is not a much-watched team but Clark County opens up a new market and back in the day UNLV won an NCAA CBB title. With Allegiant Stadium, new practice facilities for football, and the Thomas + Mack Arena for CBB, UNLV has facilities superior to those of Fresno. UNLV has also won NCAA golf championships and has been very competitive in baseball. SDSU and UNLV would be scheduling partners.
UTSA is a hidden gem. San Antonio in football-mad Texas does not, of course, have a pro football team. A great partner for SMU.
One of Boise State or Colorado State would appear to be a good potential scheduling partner for Utah. But assuming the Pac stays at 9 without further defections, I'd add SDSU, UNLV, and SMU and stay at a very manageable 12 members. Salt Lake to Dallas is a 989-mile flight distance taking 2 hours and 17 minutes. The flight time from SLC to Seattle is 2 hours and 3 minutes so close to the same travel rigors.
But, is adding 3 or more G5 teams really the best long-term approach for Oregon? The NCAA, somewhat unbelievably recognizes a conference of 6 or more schools. 9 schools work through the 2025/26 season and the CFB Playoff and the Pac are contractually bound playoff partners for this and the next 2 seasons. Drop to an 8 game schedule. for 2024/2025 with an eye on joining a more profitable home before 2025. The problem. What media affiliate broadcasts the games in 2024 and 2025? And what would be the cost of buying another regular season game if the conference drops to 8 games?
In the long run, I believe that some kind of a merger with the ACC as a full share member makes, but for the geography, the most sense. Oregon would not have to be an ACC junior media revenue partner. And I would be shocked if some kind of back-channel, at least, communication with the B1G is going on today for Oregon to join as a junior partner. Off-the-wall, the SEC adds OK St, 1.68M viewers, Utah, 1.16M viewers, Oregon, 2.210M Viewers, UW, 1.150M viewers, and Arizona and ASU for the Phoenix market. All would join as junior SEC media revenue partners. But why would the SEC do this instead of looking east?
Size goes to size in business. Conferences will continue to evolve and devolve. A merger with the ACC, especially if Notre Dame was to join as a most-favored-nation football partner would result in a Power 4 with the ACC/Pac being in a solid third place. I think this is far more favorable than adding a patchwork of G5 schools.
Lot's to ponder.
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On 7/30/2023 at 4:21 AM, kirklandduck said:
A little good news amidst the craziness lately
Nice flip from (BOOOOOOO) TCU. Joins 2025 OL recruit Sandman Thompson who could bring Puddles a trophy dream?
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As an old ice hockey player who lost a few chicklets to errant pucks, I can say with certainty that Yormack has taken Kliavkoff into the corner and gotten away with a cross-check, an elbow-check, and a high-stick.
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Oregon football: Dan Lanning is absolutely deserving of huge extension
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Oregon needs the Big Ten, but the Big Ten needs Oregon just as badly
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On 7/29/2023 at 9:29 AM, Pennsylvania Duck said:
If the Pac-12 wants to expand, here's who they should target
There are a lot of things that the Pac-12 Conference can do going forward in the wake of losing the Colorado Buffaloes to the Big 12 Conference, but what seems to be the consensus thought is that commissioner George Kliavkoff needs to do what he can to add some new members as quickly as possible.
With the defect of Colorado and the departure of USC and UCLA a year ago, the Pac-12 has shrunken down to a Pac-9 over the last 13 months. In order to stabilize, they need to add one new member at the very least, and potentially three new members in order to get back to relative strength.
So who might they go after? Here are a few options...
Pac-12 Football: 10 expansion candidates should Pac-12 look to grow
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In order to stabilize, it’s pretty clear that the Pac-12 Conference needs to expand. Here are some candidates for them to bring in.How do you write expansion checks when you have no money in the till?
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On 7/28/2023 at 6:13 PM, Charles Fischer said:
Some really good stuff in here to ponder...
Who's next to take the realignment leap? Latest intel after Colorado jumps to the Big 12
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The Pac-12 needs at least one new member and so does the Big 12, and it appears the Big 12 is not done picking at the bones of...Thanks, Charles, very interesting. It turns out that Yormark made a brilliant move jumping ahead of the Pac-12 after Bob Bowlsby made the astute move to add BYU and 3 of the most valued G5 teams. Even more brilliant was Yormark getting Fox/ESPN on the hook to fund further B12 expansion. With ESPN/Fox committed to come with $31.7M a year per school to fund B12 expansion no wonder these 2 are dragging their feet when it comes to doing a deal for what is now Pac-9 inventory. And as Desmond Howard noted the other day, Pac teams can get divorced today without having to pay alimony.
My only disagreement with this article is that Larry's failure to destroy the B12 was not in hindsight close to Carol Folt leading the way to squash the Pac-12's obvious business move which was to add 6 or so B12 orphans and create a P4 without a B12 competing for media rights money. GK did not have the gravitas that a Jim Delany and perhaps even a Bob Bowlsby would have had to overcome the presidents of the 'Elite Club' and put the B12 out of existence.
Today, with Fox owning the LA market and ESPN floundering amid cord-cutting and having to come up with its share of $31.7M a year for CU through 2030/31 and on the hook for the add-on of other 3 Four Corners schools, where is the money going to come from for Pac-9 inventory.
Oregon finds itself in the middle of the most disruptive media market in the last two decades and without leaders who have the ability to overcome today's terrible media logistics. I find the idea of the Pac-9 gaining more media power the longer it waits as simply more financial nonsense. It galls me to have to say this but Yormark appears to be having the last laugh.
Oregon today needs to do what's best for Oregon, period. It stinks that decades-long relationships might have to be flushed away but that's the cold business reality of where SC/UCLA, Fox, the B1G, and the B12, along with incredibly short-sighted decade+-long business stupidity has placed Oregon today. An Oregon that did all it could to raise its own profile and the profile of an entire conference while SC and CU among others, sat on their wallets.
The sad question is, what alternatives is Oregon left with? Unfortunately, the alternative may be at least through 2030/31, to join the B12 that should no longer exist. The Oregon brand will lead to a solution but there are likely to be more bumps in the road.
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On 7/28/2023 at 10:46 PM, Log Haulin said:
Big12 will pick up OSU. JS is a good coach and long term asset to both OSU and the Big12
Log, I doubt it. Money matters more than coaching a small market team up. Oregon State has had modest success on the football field but the Corvallis market does not move the financial needle. When the expansion dust finally settles I see Oregon State and Washington State in the Mountain West. The B12 would get no national love whatsoever from bringing on Oregon State.
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On 7/29/2023 at 12:15 AM, Cacker Guy said:
That's an interesting perspective. I can see where you are coming from I think. I guess college football is such great entertainment that it generates so much interest - and therefore money - that the entertainment industry (and the almighty dollar) is now driving college football. Which in turn is driving other sports. It is sad in a way for us who played sports back in the olden days for fun and school glory. But I don't see how it can be reversed. There is always Willamette vs. Linfield and so on I guess.
This snowball effect reminds me of a time I was convinced college scholarships were ruining high school sports -- players changing schools, parents badgering me about more touches for their son, kids specializing in one sport, etc. -- all to increase their chances of a scholarship. I wish they would have made the same effort in academics or career tech! It really bothered me, but what can you do? It's a different world.
I'm curious to see how this will all shake out. I'll root for the Ducks, and I think they will be fine.
The idea of CFB needing one true champion when it didn't, the BCS that followed, and greed have 'ruined' college football. Money 2 decades+ ago trumped any semblance of ethics attached to college sports. Oregon happens to be part and parcel of the poorest managed, if managed even applies, conference in the nation. The Pac-9 today is reaping a subsistence crop that clueless 'business people' sowed.
Yet, for my money, time, and interest there is still no sport I'd rather watch and follow than college football. But the powers-that-be and do-not- be, are making it harder and harder to care about what happens on the field.
GO DUCKS! And Fox, ESPN, et al can go to Hades.
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Big Ten Rumored To Be Adding Four Prominent Schools This Week
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And how badly Fox wants to screw over ESPN.