BUBearsFan72

I may spend the equivalent of 3 full days, on average, on a forum. But I've never seen one as nice as this one. I hope the Ducks come to the Big 12 but I think it'll be the B1G. We'll see.

I made this post on this board and a Utah one. I'm surprised by the nastiness and arrogance on the Utah board. You would think they were the #1 target of the B1G.

I completely understand this view. It's all about the $$$ right now. But what happens when a number of these traditional rivalries are lost? How many fans/viewers turn it off? And when students have to travel outside the radius of which their parents are able to go to games? Or when students are traveling 4+ hours one way for a game? I just think some of these things will become mid to long term issues with the short term money first. I'm probably wrong but I think these will be deciding factors for some recruits and their parents. Baylor build a new very nice stadium and purposely cut the number of seats down. They are doing the same in the new basketball arena. Quality of experience will be up and so will the "Bear Foundation" donations (required to buy season tickets) and ticket prices. I have heard this is becoming a bit of a trend (smaller but higher price). I'm not sure though.

Not bad, right?? : )

Top 100 TV Markets - Top 100 Television Markets - Station Index WWW.STATIONINDEX.COM The largest 100 television markets in the United States. Big 12: - 5 DFW - 10 Houston - 19 Orlando - 33 Salt Lake City (BYU nationally followed) - 34 Cincinnati - 45 Oklahoma City - 94 Waco (of course BU is all over Texas like Houston, Tech, and TCU) - West Virginia???? Pac 12: - 12 Phoenix - 14 Seattle - 22 Portland (But Oregon is more of a national brand)

I also think some geographies like CA could be strengthened with schools like San Diego State. We would be best to have divisions, pods, or whatever that try to respect geography and traditional rivalries. BU, TCU, and UT were all together in the SWC. So the relationships are long-standing. But this has obviously soured over time. UT cost the conference Nebraska, Colorado, Texas A&M, & Missouri. Texas A&M was a huge loss of a long time rival and "friend" of the SWC. And UT & OU have blocked Big 12 expansion because they didn't want to share the money. I agree with what you say on the booster and NIL side. Oregon is set with Nike. In the future the conference has to leverage these relationships that exist with the various schools. For example, a big one in the past for Oklahoma State was T Boone Pickens who left a legacy there that translates to success on the field.

I've thought of this too. I think it would be a League and could have it's own playoffs. You know what, shut the B1G and SEC out from all scheduling. Yeah it would cost alot of $$$ but I think they are creating serious problems for themselves. In the regional model we all grew up with, kids could expect their parent to be at many of their games. It will be less the case for schools like UCLA and USC. That plus the insane travel will be a turnoff for multiple reasons. I heard the Baylor AD talking about how there are going to be some schools that still want to put priority on the STUDENT side of the Student/Athlete. And making sure decisions are still made with their best interests in mind.

I agree with everything you say. I just wonder after adding these 4 Pac 12 schools if it would make sense to hold until any possibility of adding some ACC ones when the SEC and ACC pull some away. It would be interesting to see a poll of current Big 12 schools but I would be if the questions were asked, "Which Pac 12 team would you be most excited about adding" the answer would be Oregon. Oregon has done a great job building it's brand and the Nike relationship is incredible. We could ensure every team in the new conference has Nike contracts. : ) I read something about how Apple had considered buying Disney in the past who owns ESPN. Maybe moves like this will be made that open more doors. Many are concerned that streaming out would cut out a large group of viewers. If Apple owned both, you would get the Apple streaming along with ESPN app and ESPN via cable. If this makes sense. Just hopefully this world of media will change to benefit us. If we end up in a new conference like this I think we have to be much more creative with media and corporate contracts. The Big 12 announced a new commissioner the day before the announcement that UCLA and USC were leaving. Interesting timing. He has a lot of big time experience with sports contracts including the largest one in North America (if I remember correctly) with NASCAR. He is also said to be incredibly well connected in the media world. We'll see. Man I would love to have the Ducks in our conference!!

Baylor fan here. Constructive points to our potential new members if Oregon could swallow the drop in competition. : )) I'm curious about some thoughts on these points: 1) It seems like Pac 12 schools have little respect for Big 12 schools minus OU and UT. I've seen discussion on the Utah board today about their reluctance to be in the Big 12 because of religious schools. In past Pac 12 expansion talks, I recall at least one of these schools being left out of the discussion because of this point. I've also seen plenty of discussion about how the Big 12 schools aren't on the same level academically. And on average that's true for sure. So from a Fit perspective, how do you think the Pac 12 schools would fit with the Big 12? I believe some of the Big 12 schools have some strong feelings about the past attitudes of the Pac 12 schools towards the Big 12. And I think Fit is as high on the Big 12 radar as revenue and I have seen this discussed by the Baylor AD. The UT cancer is leaving. Big $$ loss but also a misFit leaving. When one Big 12 leader was asked about taking schools from the Pac 12, he said "Why?". How do you think the Pac 12 schools would fit in the Big 12. Would they be happy partners and constructive members or cancerous? Which Pac 12 schools would fit the most, if any? 2) I have seen plenty of talk about how the Pac 12 schools are more competitive than the Big 12 and a move to the Big 12 would be a move into the mid majors or something like this. And maybe this is because they would join a conference without OU and UT. How many of you know the success level (lack of) of UT for the past decade? But where do these beliefs come from? How well has the Pac 12 minus UCLA and USC performed in terms of bowl games and rankings versus the Big 12 minus OU and UT but plus the 4 new schools? Are the Pac 12 teams that much better than the Big 12 or actually worse? See linked article about 2021 bowl performances. And this trend didn't just start in 2021. This has been a multi-year theme. - Big 12 (excluding OU and including the new 4): 6-1 with Cinci losing to Bama in the Playoffs. - Pac 12 : 0-5 From the linked article, "College football bowl season winners, losers: Big 12 steps up; Pac-12's stink will linger". College football bowl season winners, losers: Big 12 steps up; Pac-12's stink will linger EU.USATODAY.COM The Big 12 had a strong postseason, highlighted by wins in the league's three biggest games, while Pac-12 teams went a... Latest Top 25 (counting OU & UT as SEC // USC & UCLA as B1G // Cinci, UCF, BYU, Houston as Big 12) Top 10: Big 12 = 3 SEC = 3 B1G = 3 ACC = 0 Pac 12 = 0 11-25: ACC = 4 SEC = 3 Big 12 = 2 Pac 12 = 2 B1G = 1 And notably USC and UCLA are not in the Top 25. College Football Rankings 2022 - AP Top 25 - CBSSports.com WWW.CBSSPORTS.COM Get the latest College Football rankings for the 2022 season. Find out where your favorite team is ranked in the AP Top 25, Coaches... And the Big 12 is the best basketball conference. Any disagreement? Check those wins and rankings. Do you think any Big 12 teams could be attracted to the Pac 12 based on these points? Or do you think Pac 12 teams are more likely to come swimming to the Big 12? ********* 1) My hope for the Big 12: add Oregon and Washington IF they will commit to working to Fit into the conference. Probably have them and all other members sign a 250 million buyout. If this doesn't happen, add 2 of the best fit. 2) Wait to take 2 from the ACC when the B1G and SEC rob them of at least North Carolina, Clemson, FSU, and Miami. Thoughts?