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    Are Virginia, North Carolina, Florida State, and Clemson in Talks to Join SEC?

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    On 7/7/2022 at 5:31 PM, Jester said:

    …And while we are pondering, I’m also learning more than I should be regarding conference politics and money matters. 

     

    I find myself visiting forums and reading news columns specific to other schools to get their take on recent affairs.  I’m linking you to a piece from ‘The News&Observer’ out of North Carolina.  UNC fans feel every bit as much in a pickle as we do.

     

    What I kindly ask is for someone to provide an explanation on the reference (in the article) to the number, “six”.  Read the piece, and you’ll see what I mean.

     

    Is “six” an arbitrary speculative number, or does it hold weight?  I haven’t seen or heard reference to this anywhere but in this article.  If it’s just speculative, it doesn’t read that way to me.  Then again, I think I’m saturated at this point and need to remove myself from information (fact or fiction) for a little while.

    I also like the part where they discuss changing distribution of the revenue.  Creating a tier system giving those schools (like Oregon) who have done more of the heavy lifting and carried the leagues brand to be entitled to a higher percentage cut.

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    Canzano: Pac-12--and the Rest of Us--Caught in Battle Over Your Television

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    Posted · Edited by NJDuck

    I do like when Canzano asked Biggins if USC/UCLA departure will hurt Oregon's recruiting in Southern California?.  He thinks it will not close any doors.  He said those kids were choosing Oregon because they loved Oregon, the coaching, etc.

     

    Not sure if this is possible, but maybe the Pac 12 should try and poach some of the Big12 schools that will bring in the most viewerships/cities?  loosely contract with ACC.  Maybe that might be the best option if Oregon can't get into the BIG or SEC at this time.

     

     

    Reports Suggest Oregon, Washington Unlikely to Join Big Ten

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    Posted · Edited by NJDuck

    On 7/6/2022 at 6:35 PM, David Marsh said:

    Id Fresno state and San Diego state want to join then they get a smaller cut... Which would still be a whole lot bigger than what they get from the mountain west right now.

    As much as I am not happy with the situation with the conference, if we are looking at MW schools (groan), SJSU.  Student enrollment around 36,000.  The media market is in the San Jose/San Francisco/Oakland area as we all know ranked 6.   Fresno media market is 54.  UNLV, tier 1 research university, media market ranked 40, enrollment of 30,000.

     

    Again, not sure what is best, join Big 12 or loosely contract with ACC?  I know we all would prefer the BIG or SEC.  I was so hoping Oregon with Phil Knight's help would be able to pull off Oregon's entry into the BIG, but from what Jon Wilner's sources are saying, it doesn't look like it will be happening.

     

    I agree as well, Oregon should get a bigger cut of the pie if we are to keep the conference together.

    Georgia Fan: 'Tell Me More About The Ducks'

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    Posted · Edited by NJDuck

    Welcome McDawg!

     

    Since you asked,  did a little research and put together a bit of history surrounding our mascot.  "Oregon teams were originally known as Webfoots started around the 1890s. Ducks, with their webbed feet, began to be associated with Oregon's teams in the 1920s, and live duck mascots were adopted to represent the team.  White duck named "Puddles" began to appear at sports events."

     

    "Beginning in 1940, cartoon drawings of Puddles in student publications began to resemble Donald Duck, and by 1947, Walt Disney was aware of the issue.  Oregon athletic director, Leo Harris capitalized on his friendship with Disney cartoonist Mike Royer, met Disney and reached an informal handshake agreement that granted Oregon permission to use Donald as its sports mascot, naming him Donald Duck."

     

    "Disney lawyers later questioned the agreement in the 1970s. but Oregon produced a photo showing Harris and Disney wearing matching jackets with an Oregon Donald logo.  Relying on the photo as evidence of Disney's wishes, in 1973, both parties signed a formal agreement granting the university the right to use Donald's likeness as a symbol for (restricted to) Oregon sports."

     

    Photo below shows Leo Harris (left center) and Walt Disney (far right).

     

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    "In 2010, Disney and the university reached an agreement that removed the costumed Oregon Duck mascot from its association with the Donald trademark, and allowed the "Duck" to make more public appearances (not restricted to certain sporting events)."

     

    "The mascot in graphic art, which is more similar to Donald Duck than the rounder head and body of the costume, is still covered by the trademark agreement."

     

    "In 1978, a student cartoonist came up with a new duck image called Mandrake, but students chose Donald (Duck) as the official mascot by 2-to-1 margin."  Thank goodness!  Mandrake (or RoboDuck) was not a good fit.

     

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    Our mascot the Duck,  through the years, has become one of the better known mascots in College Sports.

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    Canzano: Pac-12 Getting Itself Back Out There After Being Burned

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    Posted · Edited by NJDuck

    On 7/6/2022 at 12:59 PM, Log Haulin said:

    Oregon, IMO, should should hitch their wagon to B?G or the SEC. The progr'm Oregon has been striving to become lines up best in those two conferences.

     

    I would love to see Oregon in the SEC. I think Ducks level up immediately. If I look at the recruits Oregon is pursuing. A lot of them are SEC kids that have Oregon in their top ?# with SEC behemoths.

    If all possible, best options is BIG or SEC.

    The New Overlords of College Football

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    Posted · Edited by NJDuck

    If that happens

    On 7/5/2022 at 8:43 PM, David Marsh said:

    Some other interesting news and rumors out there... there is talk about not wanting to add Oregon and Washington to the B1G as full members because some current members are concerned it would reduce their cut of the media rights. 

     

    I think it is interesting because I do think Oregon and Washington would be net positives to the B1G in the long run and there is some dead weight already in the B1G. 

     

    Looking at Rutgers, Indiana and Maryland in particular. Those three programs are certainly worth less than Oregon and Washington but I could see the fear that they get less money with the addition of two more programs. 

     

    So at what point does the conference or FOX look at booting teams from the conference that are drags on the revenue stream?

    If that happens, at what point should Oregon and Washington push to be given full members payment?  Not right to put that on Oregon and Washington when, what you said, certain members of the BIG 10 are a drain.   Oregon and Washington makes money for the BIG while other members don't.  I can see where they would want to drop the dead weight.  Nasty business.

     

    Maybe BIG 10 and FOX looks to bring in more streaming partners to rake in more money.

    Pac-12 Eyeing "Loose Partnership" with ACC

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    On 7/5/2022 at 7:03 PM, OregonDucks said:

    Another article linked below, lists out the options:

     

    1) Join the B1G (author thinks this will only happen if Notre Dame accepts)

    2) Merge or form partnership with ACC

    3) Merge or form partnership with Big-12

    4) Form a super conferences with top teams from Pac, ACC, Big-12 (least likely given complexity but might be the best option, other than #1)

    Agree!  Other than #1, really would love to see option #4 happen.

    Canzano: Oregon Ducks Make a Wish List, While Pac-12 Rallies Behind Scenes

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    Let's face it, the schools in the MW conference are not going to cut it as far as a new PAC goes in media market value.  SDS in the San Diego area media market value sits at 28.  UNLV, Las Vegas market value sits at 40.

     

    I still believe getting into the Big 10 or SEC is the best scenario for Oregon.  Hopefully with Knight's influence could make it happen.  If not the Big 10 or SEC, it's better to combine with the Big 12.

     

    Not sure what George has in mind that will make the PAC relevant.  But like OregonDucks said, it would be interesting to see what he comes up with.

    Canzano: Oregon Ducks Make a Wish List, While Pac-12 Rallies Behind Scenes

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    Posted · Edited by NJDuck

    According to Canzano Phil Knight apparently wants Oregon to be part of the Big Ten Conference.  Or even the SEC.

     

    Both options are currently being explored by the Ducks with Knight's backing.  Another would be Oregon assuming a tentpole position in a blended, ESPN-backed version of the Pac 12 and Big 12.

     

    So it seems all 3 options are still on the table as possible plans they are exploring.

     

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    Canzano: Mailbag Deals With Pac-12's Future, Oregon-Washington Decision... and Hotdogs

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    Ok, not sure if this got posted or not somewhere on one of the threads.  Some questions and answers about the PAC 12 and Oregon from Canzano.  Of course no one knows anything at this point, but some thoughts from him on the matter.

     

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    Conference Confusion: Have You Arrived at THIS?

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    On 7/4/2022 at 3:20 PM, Steven A said:

    What if ....

     

    It is in Oregon's best interest to shed the Pac and separate itself from OSU; and

     

    The state legislature blocks the move based upon being in the same educational system; and

     

    Oregon then withdraws from the state system and goes private?

     

    I think the idea of going private was tossed around a few years ago based upon less then 20% of the budget coming from the state coffers.  Well, we have an alum, or alums, who could easily foundationally fund the difference.

    Let's hope the politicians stay out of it. 😳 We've already have suffered enough.

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    Lincoln Riley Statement

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    Posted · Edited by NJDuck

    On 7/4/2022 at 11:27 AM, Annie said:

    Just last night I heard a radio guy (Cody somebody) saying that USC was making a good move because they had no big games against PAC-12 teams, except maybe UCLA and the Bruins are going to the Big 10 too. He pooh-pooh USC vs. Oregon games, not seeming to realize that Oregon is 11-6 over USC since 1998

    Praising USC for this great move, unbelievable.

     

    Well, let's praise them for making the PAC-12 carried their's and UCLA's dead carcasses around for many years.  Let's praise USC for bringing down the PAC-12's perception for many years because they sucked in sports. Let's praise them for giving the BIG PAC12's biggest media market.  Yes, let's praise them for helping destroy the PAC-12. Let's also praise them for helping destroy the tradition rich Rose bowl, the Grand Daddy of them ALL

     

    The issue is UCLA was their equal in competitiveness, they were both more in the middle of the PAC, not the top.

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