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First play on his clip where he looks off the safety and hits the WR on the post for a TD tells you a lot about his skill set. Moving back end guys with your eyes are a must at the Collegiate level and in the Pros.
When you see a HS kid do it, it tells you a ton about how well he's been tutored.
Later in the tape he double pump's on the corner to get him to bite, so his receiver can get separation. Again, you don't see this this stuff on HS tape very often.
The kid is pretty polished.
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Chris neglected to mention two of Tanner's strong points. First and foremost he was tutored by his dad on how to play quarterback since he could walk. And his dad played at Auburn in the 1980's.
The other item is that he has the best mechanics of any of the QB'S in this recruiting class.
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7 hours ago, countryboy541 said:
Same here. That was the problem with North, literally everyone that tried out made the team because we needed the bodies. At South, Sheldon, Churchilll, etc they can pick and choose because the talent pool is much deeper. 30-50 kids trying out vs 100-200 kids trying out, they can be a bit more picky.
It didn't used to be that way. I remember in the early 70's warming up at Autzen Stadium on a Friday and watching 100+ North Eugene players trot out onto the field before the game for warm-ups. It was a sea of red for more than half the field. North Eugene was one of the "Big Schools" that we played.
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4 hours ago, RatherBe said:
I was very disappointed with the potential QBs the Ducks were getting connected to this cycle. After I saw that Bailey came out to Eugene for a dead period visit with his family on their own dime I checked out his highlights.
If Bailey is the QB for the 2022 class I will be very pleased. He doesn’t have ideal size and he’s not a dual threat guy, but he has some major arm talent and QB skills. Bailey can make every throw, to not confuse arm talent with just arm strength - I mean he can put just the right touch and placement on the ball. Sounds like he got left out by the in-state schools and the Ducks might have caught a break.
I've watched his tapes a few times. I missed it the first couple of views, but he looks off the safety and comes back to the Post for a TD on the first highlight. It happens so fast that I wasn't ready for it, but that is some advanced QB stuff right there.
I can overlook the fact that he's 2 or 3 inches shorter than ideal height. The rest of the package is in the 9-to-10 range.
I like this kid a lot. Big upside.
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56 minutes ago, Charles Fischer said:
Boy I was hoping he would pass your muster, and that is not sarcastic. You call it the way you see it, and that doesn't always jive with the recruiting services and the offers the coaches give. I was wondering what your thoughts were and THANKS.
It's interesting that Alabama accepted a commitment from Ty Simpson and Tanner Bailey is in their backyard. Both play at very small schools (+/- 600 kids enrollment), but that's where the similarities end. Simpson is an "athlete" playing sandlot QB while Tanner Bailey's mechanics are advanced enough that he's ready to compete at the D1 level right now.
SMH
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22 hours ago, Charles Fischer said:
Holy Toledo! Talk about a lot of smoke...there might be some fire there! When the biggies at 247Sports such as Wilfong, Prehm and Wade all give positive updates of this 2022 QB's visit with his parents within a few minutes of each other? Now the Oregon Rivals AJ Jacobson too? Was there a silent verbal from Rivals 4-Star Alabama QB Tanner Bailey to the Oregon coaches during his recent visit? When that many recruiting tongues are wagging...you gotta wonder.
Look at this offer list right here, (24 already!) which includes Michigan, Auburn, LSU, Georgia and Alabama?
His dad was a QB at Auburn back in the 80's. He's been tutoring Tanner since he could walk, and it shows. I have looked at a lot of the QB's in this recruiting cycle and none them have the polish that this kid has.
His mechanics aren't perfect, but they're close.
This kid is really good.
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9 hours ago, Charles Fischer said:
Boy I don't know....I do like the analysis articles by Chris Courtney on his site Whole Flock of Ducks, but I wonder out loud if an offensive tackle this big has the quickness to take on a Brandon Dorlus or, gasp, a Thibs and protect the quarterback?
Yes, I know he is raw and we are talking about two to three years from now....but isn't that a stretch even then? (My thoughts--yes, it is) Possible to you?
Courtney: What are the Ducks getting in Percy Lewis? by SportsPac12
There are some things that he does well, and some things that he needs to work on.
- 1) First and foremost he has a great hand punch. The kind that knocks 9-Techs into next week. The kind that makes some players consider quitting football after getting mauled for two or three hours on a pleasant fall Saturday afternoon.
- 2) In Pass Pro, he mirrors really well, especially for a big guy. He got out over his skis a few times, but mostly he was on the balls of his feet using his (what 7'0 Plus? wingspan) to absolutely rag doll people.
- 3) He has a mean streak. It comes out on his tape. You can see it. He even was throwin' some haymakers at a kid that was tired of getting beat on. This guy is a Junkyard Dawg. A fistfight from the snap to the whistle. This is the guy that you want guarding your back, in a dark alley in an unfriendly part of town. He's what I call a "Tone Setter". When someone cheap shots your QB, this is the guy that goes over the the guy that did it and "Makes Things Right".
- He needs to get in better condition, and Coach Feld will get him down to the 330 to 340 range. He's raw no question, but if they can get him playing in the offensive scheme this guy has the chance to be very good.
- I like him as a RT. He can envelope a Strong Side DE (5T), and he can pin this guy back inside opening up the run game. He can rag doll any pass rusher. He's too long to go around, and to Dip & Rip him he just smothers the DE.
This guy has a big upside if he's willing to work.
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1 hour ago, 30Duck said:
This is the type of player the Ducks need, thanks Chico Duck for covering all the aspects of the game that Lando does so well in. He is surely going to be offered by many, many schools, let's hope he stays right here.
You're welcome.
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I did a little blurb on him a while back. I meant to post it here too and I forgot.
Landon Hullaby - 6'0/185 Pounds
Bishop Dunne Catholic HS - Dallas, TX - Enrollment 600 Kids (6-12) Freshman Year
Mansfield Timberview HS - Arlington TX - Enrollment 1,890 Kids (9-12) Sophomore & Junior Years
ACCOLADES
Texas Insider - Top 50 for the Class of 2022 (No.26) Listed as a CB/Safety/Nickel
Dave Campbell's Texas Football - Listed as a CB. State Rank No. 43 (Overall) No. 6 (Position)
Hullaby's Top-10 Schools posted via Twitter 1/19/21 - Nebraska, Auburn, Mississippi State, California, Baylor, TCU, Texas, Notre Dame, Oklahoma State and Oregon.
FRESHMAN YEAR - Played CB & 2 High (Cover 2)
- * Great technique on the back peddle. Bends rather than leans. Keeps his feet under him rather than leaning out over his skis. Maintains his center (gravity). He sinks & changes direction effortlessly. He's 14 years-old!
- * Smooth transition from the back peddle to the turn. Establishes inside position. Impressive technique for a ninth grader. All of these match-ups are with kids that are older and bigger than him.
- * Aware in the Tip Drill. Maximizes opportunities when they present themselves.
- * Recovery speed.
- * In the Press - Come back on the Slant & Out. Gets his hand in for the PBU. His come backs are smooth & fast. CB skills.
- * Turns & runs in the Press, forcing (squeezing) the WR out of bounds. The kid is 14 years-old!
- * Can climb the wall against taller receivers & hand fight them. Body control to tomahawk in the air.
- * Great range on the Single High. He was late on the jump, but speed to recover. Really fine range to help out over the top too.
- * From the Nickel - Breaks on the ball to break up the Slant. Attacks the LOS in the Box.
- * Wrap up guy when tackling. Gets the man on the ground. No boom & miss stuff.
- * Gets his hands on a LOT of balls. PBU guy. Always around the ball.
- * Nickel - Can blitz the QB from the Box. Playmaker.
- * Nickle - Comes up and fills the hole when he's down in the Box. Run support is excellent.
- *No non-sense guy. Not a lot of "celebrations"/Hero stuff after a play.
SOPHOMORE - 15 years-old - Played CB/Cover 2/Nickel
- * CB - Played outside-In. Fights through the block and drops the H-Back in the flat. Assignment discipline & awareness. The kid is 15.
- * In the Press - Tracks the ball up the sideline. Establishes position. Makes the WR irrelevant. Playing Pitch and Catch with the QB. Why would anyone throw to his side?
- * Nickle - Blitz the QB to cause an incompletion. Playmaker down in the Box.
- * Powers through the screen from his Cover 2 position. Blows up the play for no gain. Play diagnosis.
- * From the Press - He squeezes the WR out of bounds, Really quick feet on the Turn & Run. Looks & Plays like a natural CB. The kid is 15.
- * His change of direction is elite.
- * From the Press - Nice hand punch at the turn. Result is a PBU at the third level. Really fine CB play.
- * From the Press - Takes the WR completely out of the Route Tree at the snap, forcing him out of bounds.
JUNIOR - Safety/Cover 2/Single High
- * Creative in the open field after a Pick. Uses the whole field. Head on a swivel. Playmaker.
- * Nice range (Hash to Hash +) 20 Yard radius?
- * Played Cover 2, Single High, and some Nickel.
- * Nobody got behind him. Green grass behind him is not an issue.
ASSESSMENT
I think Oregon is bringing him in to play Nickel. Well rounded in all facets of the backend. Well coached (Verone McKinley III instincts/polish with Jevon Holland versatility & athleticism). A really fine prospect at the backend. A guy that possesses assignment discipline (a must in a back end guy) and athleticism. All the intangibles that you look for in a back end guy: toughness, fearlessness, the IQ to diagnose schemes, and the savvy to play within a system.
He's a "glue" guy. One of those guys that will quickly become a leader on the field and tie that defense together.
This guy is a really good football player. High ceiling.
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1 hour ago, Charles Fischer said:
That is what I was thinking too, being a guard or right tackle at best. As for defensive tackle--I believe he would have a hard time staying low with leverage...
Bingo.
I there are a few absolutes in football. And the "Low Man Wins" on the Defensive Line is one of them. That's why Fire Hydrants that are 6'1 and 325 pounds are so hard to move off the point. It's a leverage game. They drop an anchor and clog up the middle. They're worth their weight in gold.
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1 hour ago, David Marsh said:
As to the run game component...
We haven't had a big time runningback in the mold.of a Freeman, Barner, or James for the past three years. Verdell just doesn't have the same ability.
Verdell always seems to look for contact rather than make a cut away from contact. He doesn't really make any cuts at all... He goes off like a bullet and rams into anything in his way. Which would work great if he was a couple inches taller and about 20 pounds heavier... That way he'd demolish whoever he ran into... But instead it just becomes a cloud of dust and a few yards.
Granted... Verdell is very good at falling forward so if he typically can pick up a couple yards... But it isn't pretty.
Additionally... The pistol... Need I say more on that?
I'm not so sure that it's been a lack of talent, rather than the scheme. Has there really been any receivers at Oregon that scare a Defensive Coordinator? I can't think of any. If a defense doesn't respect a portion of your offense then your offense is out of balance and easy to scheme against. The Pistol with better personal seems like it would be more difficult to defend than the RB standing next to the QB.
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On 3/2/2021 at 9:14 AM, Charles Fischer said:
Mario likes them big, but is that the key component? Our rushing yards have been declining over the last three years; what say you?
Percy Lewis, 6-foot-9, 360-pound JC Offensive Lineman, Commits to Oregon Ducks by OregonLive
He has a great hand punch and he's mean as a junkyard dawg.
Absolute brawler. A "Tone Setter".
A guy that comes out from the first snap of the game, and let's everyone know on the defensive line that it's going to be a long day at the office.
I like this guy a lot.
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That game was great. Though we had to re-start our hearts a few times.
We were on the 50 yard line. Seven rows back. Couldn't have asked for better seats.
My favorite moment was when Wisconsin fumbled the punt and Oregon scored. The game wasn't over, but I just knew they were going to win.
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Talent-wise the Ducks are not there yet. They're inching closer, but are still a ways off. The Alabama's, Clemson's, LSU's, Ohio State's of the College football world still win the Recruiting Sweepstakes year-in and Year-out.
Talent matters.
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3 hours ago, Southern Duck said:
That's a ton to like Chico!
I wrote a little talent eval on him on the 247 site if you're a subscriber there.
The kid is very talented.
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I think they're bringing him in to play the Nickel spot. He has CB technique and polish, Safety size and range, and come down in the Box and help out in run defense.
Verone McKinley III instincts and polish with Jevon Holland athleticism.
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2 hours ago, C J said:
It was just too coincidental not to realize this is why Shough pulled the plug.
The question now becomes how many other heads will be turned and lead to entry into the portal......Ashford? Butterfield?
Does anyone want to be a backup QB in this day and age? Not likely. Seems like Brown is willing to at least for one more year, but perhaps he wins the spot this season.
If I were Cristobal though I would go with Thompson right from the get go this year realizing he will have failures and the team may lose several games. I would play for the longer term success of the team though. The real potential is in 2022 and more specifically 2023.
If I was TT, I wouldn't sleep on RA.
Freak athlete.
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Thompson is really disciplined mechanically. On the 3 & 5 step drops without fail he sets his base and drives the ball with his legs & core.
On the roll-outs he rarely fails to stop & set his base. Pretty impressive for a HS kid. Very polished.
You'd like to see him raise the the ball closer to his shoulder-level at the ready position. He still has a little baseball windup where he starts his throwing motion from his hip, rather than his ear. But other that, he's really solid. His feet are pretty quiet, he's not bouncing around in the pocket.
We'll see if he can make the jump from 4A HS ball to D1 college ball and how long it takes. Sometimes that adjustment coupled with the college game being more complicated, slows the clock down in their head to where they can't compete the first year.
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Oregon offered Gavin Wimsatt January 20th.
He's very raw mechanics-wise, but he has prototypical size, premier athleticism, and an impressive clock in his head.
I have watched his tape as well as Duffy. I would take Wimsatt over Duffy six days a week and twice on Sunday.
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It sure looks like Coach Moorhead wants a DT-type guy running his RPO offense. One has to think that Robby Ashford leapfrogs Butterfield on the depth chart and Ty Thompson might be a real player in the mix if he can make the adjustment from 4A HS ball to D-1 college ball quickly.
My money is on Anthony Brown to start with one of the younger kids pushing him for playing time early in the year. Robby Ashford is an RPO guy and a great athlete and he has the huge advantage over Thompson of being in the system for a year.
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18 hours ago, 30Duck said:
Make sure you're sitting down before you read this article from 247sports.com
Here are where Washington and Arizona State finished in the Recruiting Rankings the last four years from 2021, 2020, 2019 and 2018. These recruiting classes will form the backbone of this coming seasons rosters.
Washington: 35, 17, 16, 16
Arizona State: 53, 23, 28, 36
Now look at Oregon and USC...
Oregon: 6, 11, 7, 13
USC: 8, 64, 20, 4
USC had a couple of down years, but they still have a decided talent advantage over ASU.
And the "Match Up" between Oregon and Washington? It's not even close, and the gulf in talent is widening.
Talent matters.
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I guess I'm thick. I don't know what "QBS" means.
I think I'll stay with the first two categories like normal people. YPA and Passing percentage. If you're YPA is in the 9, 10 or 11 range that's got the back end guys back pedaling at the snap. And a PC rate of 63-65% is excellent.
I'm an unabashed Shough fan. He was the best in the Pac-12 as a first year starter, and no amount of Gin & Juice from this author can alter the stats to "prove" otherwise.
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3 hours ago, RatherBe said:
We love the Huard family at Oregon! Hopefully Sam becomes as memorable as his dad Damon is to us. Washington is betting it all on an undersized lefty who has his recruiting ranking as a placeholder for years.
Washington has really missed in their QB evaluations. Yankoff, Haener, Sirmon, Garbers. Haener has actually been lighting it up at Fresno, but the other three were 4-star QB recruits who didn’t do anything, very Helfrichean. Dylan Morris is average at best. Their young WRs have been mostly overrated busts and all of their RBs wouldn’t even sniff playing time at Oregon. Add their mind numbingly bad hire of an OC in Jon Donovan and this is just is the start of another decade of dominance.Sam Huard is a really polished kid. Let's not kid ourselves.
Normally I'm a skittish of kids that don't play at the highest levels of HS ball (especially at QB). But I think Huard would have done well at any level.
I did a little eval of him a few months ago. He's a pretty impressive kid. Not the biggest QB in the world, but then the record books are full of undersized guys that have lit up The Show.
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9 hours ago, FishDuck Article said:
Perhaps it is the long cold winters I spend up here in eastern Washington, but the grouch in me has returned. It’s been a while, but like a broken record, I’m placing Oregon’s offense inconsistencies once again on Mario Cristobal’s shoulders. Having not been kind to Cristobal in the way he had handled the Oregon offense with the uber-talented Justin ...
A smart coach plays with the cards he's got. Not what he wishes he had.
It's hard to tear up the league with an incredible passing attack when one doesn't have any NFL talent at WR. Herbert never had any premier guys that could get off the LOS, and when they did get separation, they couldn't catch it or out run the DB's.
But CMC has taken some big strides in solving that problem with the 2021 recruiting class.
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What a cool name.