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McGee has a different build than Redd (or your typical Slot guy for that matter). He's short, but that's about where the similarities end. He has a thicker build, much more like a RB than just a wisp that one tries to develop mismatches with in space.
I think you're going to see Seven carry the ball quite a bit. It opens up the play book when he's on the field. You don't know what Coach Moorhead has up his sleeve.
As a RB this kid can bounce, drag step, get small, and look for windows. As a WR he doesn't fight the ball, catches it out away from his frame, and he is a terror in open space.
He's going to be a dynamic playmaker in Oregon's offense. A chunk play waiting to happen.
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38 minutes ago, Coach Eric Boles said:
I think that Seven Mcgee is going to be a stud in Coach Moorhead’s offense. I think the things he started to do with Redd in the second half of the year is going to expand this season.
When I’m four wide this season, I think Redd will line up as the field slot and Mcgee will be at the tight boundary slot/slot back spot. He’ll be awesome in those jet packages.
Then put him in motion back next to the QB. Then put Redd in motion in front of them. Keep the linebackers eyes moving.
Then comes the wheel route the opposite direction of Redd up the sideline with McGee.
Touchdown.
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Lake is in over his head. Classic Peter Principle.
He's probably a nice guy, but Washington is losing ground to Oregon with every recruiting cycle.
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I am not sure I agree with some of the assessments written in this article.
First of all there were two Hudl tapes. One was from his Freshman year where he (Halton) listed himself at 6'3/210 pounds. These are unverified numbers NOT confirmed at a sanctioned event (like Nike's The Opening or Adidas Adizero Camps). The second film clip was a year later and appears to be from his Sophomore year. He looked bigger, like maybe he had added 20 pounds to his frame (at least). Again nothing is verified.
He did not play in 2020 (Junior year) for obvious reasons. But he apparently attended a camp where he was officially measured and tested in a combine atmosphere. Greg Biggins states on Halton's 24/7 profile that he (Halton) is 6-foot-3 and 270 pounds. He also stated that he rand a 4.59 Short Shuttle and recorded a 33" vert. These are impressive numbers for an athlete of his dimensions.
For example, the author of this article comps him to Mase Funa. Funa was measured and tested at The Opening in March 2018. He was 6'2/245 pounds. He ran a 4.90 40-Clock, 4.50 S.S., threw the power ball 40 feet, and recorded a 32" vert. His total score of 99.42 ranked #23 out of 307 participants and only one other linebacker (DeGabriel Floyd) scored higher at this event.
Two things: The author questions Halton's overall athleticism and short area quicks. The Short Shuttle and the vertical jump is meant to shed some light on this component of a PSA's game. Not only is Halton's numbers in line with Funa, but he is doing it weighting 25 pounds more.
One other thing. Kayvon Thibideaux recorded a 29.6" vert at the same event weighing in at 234 pounds.
It's clear by his frame and linear size progression, that Halton is not going to be a 9-Tech in college. He will more than likely be a DE (5-Tech) on the first two downs and occasionally moved inside on passing downs to push the pocket.
This kid is very good and when he reaches his ideal playing weight (290+/-) pounds he is going to be a problem for offensive coordinators.
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1 hour ago, Mudslide said:
Chico, Perkins has already committed to Missouri. What Nebraska CB? (Perkins is from Mississippi.)
Avantae Dickerson is from Omaha, Nebraska.
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13 minutes ago, Duckpop22 said:
The end of the high-scoring era for the Ducks is something that isn't talked about enough. Are we suddenly recruiting "straight ahead, no fair dodgin' players", or has the scheme deteriorated the scoreboard that much?
How can one deteriorate a scoreboard that big?
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19 minutes ago, Haywarduck said:
You had me at "during his Sophomore year: 4.41 40-clock,' but then you had to add, "Speed to take it the distance. Big play guy. Lightening in a bottle.."
Your writing is like the beautiful women who knows how to dress and do it up, truly mesmerizing, well done ChicoDuck!
Thank you. I try to give people a glimpse of the potential of the new recruits coming in.
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9 minutes ago, Charles Fischer said:
A former 5-Star LB who may transfer...
Oh that's right. He played at De La Salle in Concord, right?
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1 hour ago, Lou Farnsworth said:
WOW! If we don't get Henry T.....Avantae would be a solid pick. Thanks for the analysis Chico!
Who's Henry T?
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6 minutes ago, Charles Fischer said:
Holy Crap, what a great preview for us! I had no idea that he was that great an athlete-wow.
Question: He is being listed as a safety, but ChicoDuck....do you think he can play corner?
Jadarrius Perkins is the best CB prospect in this recruiting cycle. He will be the first one off the Board whenever he comes out next year or the year after. Having said that, if Dickerson is the consolation prize, I'm sure Coach Chance would take it in a heartbeat.
That would give Oregon the best CB prospect in California and the best in Nebraska this recruiting cycle. Both have great triangle numbers, and they are fast and physical.
Coupled with the two Safety's that are already signed? What an embarrassment of riches at the back end.
SMH
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Avantae Dickerson - 6'0/170 Pounds
Omaha (Westside High School), Nebraska
Four year starter. Played and contributed in all three phases of the game (Offense, Defense, & Special Teams)
The No. 1 rated player in the state of Nebraska in this recruiting cycle.
Measurables: He ran a reported 10.97 100 meters and a 22.37 200 meters as a ninth grader in 2018.
at The Opening 4/14/19 during his Sophomore year: 4.41 40-clock, 4.16 Short Shuttle and a 36.5" Vert at 5'10.5 and 159 ponds. (To put this into perspective Mykael Wright ran a 4.48 40-clock, a 4.21 S.S. and 34.0" Vert at The Opening in Las Vegas May 12, 2018).
His trainer has been quoted stating that Dickerson has run (recently, we assume) a 4.37 40-clock and has a wingspan greater than his length (6'4).
SOPHOMORE TAPE
- 1) As a RB he is similar to MyKael Wright. If he wasn't such a great prospect on the defensive side of the ball, he would be a top talent as a RB. Great (Home Run) speed, gets "small" through the LOS, gap bounces, keeps his head on a swivel, puts his foot in the ground and is a chunk play waiting to happen. One of those guys that a DC holds his breath every time the kid touches the ball.
- 2) Spatial awareness, body control and picks the ball off out away from his frame (like a receiver). Elite ball skills. Speed to take it the distance. Big play guy. Lightening in a bottle.
- 3) zone coverage. Comes up and doesn't allow the WR to seal him off in space. Fights through the block to make the play. Tackles well.
- 4) Recognizes screens & reacts. Comes back well. He bens & Sinks to make the tackle in space.
- 5) Elite speed. Top end gear for recovery and/or breaking away. Really fast dude. As a RB he demonstrates Jump Steps, he bounces, he's creative in the open field looking for the lanes. Outstanding RB prospect. Two-way prospect?
- 6) Gets "small" down at the goal line to protect himself. Doesn't get touched from 8 yards out. Impressive.
- 7) Zone guy (cocked). No Press on his tapes. Typical HS schemes. His come backs are quick (his SS is approaching 4.00!!!) and it shows.
- 8 Elite ball skills as a WR. He plucks the ball, rather than fighting it. Catches it out away from his frame. Doesn't break his stride or "jump" as the ball gets to him. He runs THROUGH the route to maintain/finish his separation. Rare for a HS athlete.
- JUNIOR TAPE
- 1) Elite ball skills: Tracking & hand/eye coordination out at the third level stuff. Climbs the wall to go get it over the big dudes.
- 2) His short area quicks show up on the Turn-Ins. He "Come Back" very fast to create PBU's & picks.
- 3) Nice hand punch on the slant to break up a first down.
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3 hours ago, Dave23 said:
An incoming freshman that might be good for this position would be Jonathan Flowe. He is quick has a great pass rush and not sure about his coverage skills but weighing 200 pounds he fits the profile.
Not to hijack this thread, but since you brought it up: I'm a big Jon Flowe fan. What's the old adage "It's not the size of the dog in the fight...the size of the fight in the dog". And Jonathan Flowe is a Junkyard Dog. I'll probably take a lot of flack for this, but for the life of me I don't know why people are so jazzed about Raesjon Davis. Jonathan Flowe and Davis share the same triangle numbers and very similar athletic traits. But to be honest, after watching both films I'll take Flowe over Davis seven days a week and twice on Sunday. Why? Because of the explosion plays. Flowe is a savage. A wrecking ball. He's a Sandman. He puts people to sleep. And Davis? Not so much.
Linebackers have only two jobs. 1) They have to complete their assignments from play-to-play without fail. and 2) They have to leave welts, while doing their assignments. That's what "Explosion Plays" are. They blow people up. That's what you see on tape when you when you watch Jonathan Flowe. He knocks people into next week and re-arranges their teeth.
Getting back to this topic: could he play the SAM. Heck yeah.
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1 hour ago, Coach Eric Boles said:
This could always be a possibility, but if I’m just going off of game tape, that hasn’t been the case for Coach DeRuyter. From what I’ve seen, he always keeps the same personnel in unless he’s in his 2-4-5 set.
The personnel set in his scheme is what let's him be flexible without having to sub. And I think I maybe led us astray when I listed of safeties that could play the position. The Sam is not a safety, he is a LB that has a safety-like skill set. Think Lamar Winston.
I just wanted to throw out some names like Hill who could put on the weight to play the position. In no way do I realistically think that all of those guys would play the position.
The depth there could be made up of safeties who put on weight and lighter LBs with good coverage ability.
The position also won’t be asked to play man coverage a great deal. The majority of Coach DeRuyter’s defense is zone coverage.
I'm not sure his past behavior is an accurate trend for future schemes. I think that he's never had this level of talent playing for him before. Even for his short stint at Texas A & M, and certainly not at California.
He may treat this defense much more like an NFL defense with more Press on the perimeter and less zone. He has the talent in the front seven to zone blitz and bring pressure that he's never had before.
We shall see. There are a lot of future NFL guys that I see on the Defensive side of the ball.
He just might these "toys" loose next fall.
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54 minutes ago, Coach Eric Boles said:
We’ve learned that the Sam LB position in Coach DeRuyter’s defense is a “big safety”. There are a few current players at safety that could fill the spot, including Hill, Williams and Happle.
In another post ChicoDuck also suggested incoming freshman Jeffery Bassa.
The one thing is that all four of these guys would need to put on weight this off-season. Currently, they sit around 200lbs each. You’d like them to be in the 220-225 range.
I also want to take a look at current OLB and see which guys possess more safety-like skill sets.
I think Down & Distance as well as how much green grass is behind them, will dictate the personnel grouping(s) here. For example, I like Hill in this Slot against a speed merchant when the offense is starting at its own 20 and the field is tilted against them. Their playbook is wide open and you want your 4.41 guy keeping tabs on their Slot Guy (typically their fastest guy). However as the offense moves the ball and the field tilts, you want the SAM to get bigger/Rangier as the field shrinks towards the Red Zone, and running the ball starts to become more important. The playbook likewise shrinks. Then the Jeffrey Bassa's morph into the Adrian Jackson's as they get closer to the goal line.
Just a hunch.
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On 1/26/2021 at 2:05 AM, FishDuck Article said:
Now that we have a surface-level understanding of what Coach Tim DeRuyter’s defense will look like from my last article, lets’ take a deeper look at his base alignment. From the writings of the man himself, Coach DeRuyter prefers the 3-4 defense, and for good reason. Some of his personal reasons for using the alignment are that it gets better, ...
Jeffrey Bassa is the perfect fit at SAM or "Big Safety". A hybrid SS/OLB in the mold of Adrian Jackson. A great athlete that can cover at the back end against TE's & H-Backs or "Big" WR's. Or he can come down into the box and be physical in the run game.
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He's not done growing. He'll be a solid 5-Tech.
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One of the posters on 24/7 comped him to Le'Veon Bell, the great Steelers RB. I thought that was spot on. This has really fine ball skills. His film clips showed him on middle screens and wheel routes. Natural pass receiver, doesn't fight the ball.
And he has great size combined with impressive creativity in the open field. Down on the goal line he can get small and run behind his pads, but he is just as likely to bounce it outside and beat the 9-Techs to the pylon.
This kid is really talented.
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I hadn't taken time to look at Jonathan Flowe, who was a late addition to Oregon's 2021 recruiting class. A few observations:
Jonathan Flowe - Upland High School - Upland, California
Upland HS is a big school with over 3,100 students (9-12). This is a tough league that they play in.
6'1 - 200 Pounds
Measurables at The Opening 2/10/19 (He was 15? years old at the time)
6'-0.5 and 195 Pounds
4.82 40-Clock
4.41 S.S.
24.30" Vert
Sophomore Year Tape - Jonathan Flowe highlights - Hudl
- 1) He can bend and sink to change direction laterally.
- 2) He does a nice job of getting off the blocks. He scrapes & sheds while keeping his head on a swivel.
- 3) In a controlled rush, he can lock on to an opposing LT and manipulate him at the Arc to help him (Flowe) set the Edge forcing the QB back into containment.
- 4) He's a "Wrecking Ball" He tackles like a LBer. His head is up and he wraps up. Not a lot of arm tackles.
- 5) Lots of explosion "Blow Up" hits.
- 6) Relentless. Never gives up on a play even when he is double-teamed by O-Linemen. He circles back and makes the tackle from behind after the linemen thought they had done their job. Pretty impressive.
- 7) He understands leverage and getting his hands under an O-Lineman's pads to stand him up, and rock him back into the backfield on the bull rush.
This kid is a really fine prospect.
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It's rare to see a Defensive Lineman with his dimensions (6'5/277) with the athleticism to be the best player in the country at a number of positions...on both sides of the ball.
He is the best 3-Tech & 5-Tech on defense. And if he wasn't such a great player on that side of the ball, he is without a doubt the best inline TE in the country too.
The kid can really move, and he catches the ball out away from his frame. A natural receiver that doesn't fight it.
Simply a great player.
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3 hours ago, BigDucksFan said:
Oregon picked up the #10 slot in the Yahoo Sports poll, but that was based on Shough and Brown coming back for 2021 and Thibodeaus and Noah Sewell taking control of the defense.
IMO, I'm not sure either Shough or Brown will be controlling the offense in 2021. This is still very much up in the air right now and much could change during the Spring Game.
The defense I do agree with. Thats a no brainer.
USC is at #15 but IMO should be higher, like just above the Ducks at #9. Their only drawback is replacing their top 3 running backs, leaving there defense with plenty of retuning talent.
The Great Blue North is projecting that USC is losing four guys in the Top-100.
Amon-Ra St. Brown (#47), Talanoa Hufanga (52), Alija Vera-Tucker (58) and Jay Tufele (72). These are all Second and Third rounders. That's a lot of talent to replace.
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16 hours ago, Duckpop22 said:
AnotherOD, you just muddled me with facts. I read Chico's description of what the progression should be and thought, "How cool. Now we will know how to judge quarterbacks going forward forever!" Then you waltz in and tell us that each quarterback is an an individual young man who will progress at his individual speed. How discouraging to have to pay attention.
Dang that's funny.
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17 hours ago, AnotherOD said:
I'm not really seeing the difference in numbers supporting any argument. The biggest difference is possibly QB efficiency and the difference between 160 and 155 is about 4 spots out of 126 QBs. Most of Brown's numbers came from playing for a poor Boston College team, with several years of not so hot offenses, with Arizona/Oregon State rated talent around him, mixed around a pair of leg injuries.
Eyeball test shows some similarities between the two QBs, especially with more basic throws from clean pockets; but, a difference in handling pressures, and consistent proper decision making (look at the read at 3:17 in the 2nd quarter of the bowl game on Brown's 16 yard TD run, that's the sort of play that is there - that helps make this offense work - that TS misses regularly). Brown's BC tape and limited time at Oregon does not show this massive trouble processing things and not breaking down the first sign of trouble. Also, as the season progressed, it was obvious downfield passing under TS had all but disappeared. Maybe Brown had a mixed bag at BC, but one thing not missing was the ability to stretch the field.
Mistakes? Sure, but the game doesnt look 10x too fast for Brown, nor does he seem to especially panic with pressure. Its possible this goes away for TS, but at this point he has played enough to suggest its a gamble.
Brown did fumble but it was an effort play and very, very close to being down. He missed a throw - but threw a nice ball for a TD called back the play before. I think we all saw four years of Herbs throwing a few regular head scratchers. I think he is allowed a couple? Especially on something like his 14th pass of the year?
Don't get lost in the weeds. My point was that you never saw the trajectory from year one to year three that one normally sees in performance. It's "flat", no? For example, his completion percentage hovers around 51-55%. And his TD-to-Pick ration is stagnant at 2/1. This is the resume of a backup. A guy that won't hurt you if he's called into a game due to injury or you need to have a talk with your starter.
Stats are important. They measure progress. It's ok to have a first year guy put up stats like this. But in year two, you want to see the completion percentage hit 60 and that TD-to-INT ratio get up to 3/1. And at the D1 level, a third year guy getting ready for the Draft? It should look more like 65% & at least 4/1.
With that in mind, that's why I said Shough's floor is already higher than Brown's ceiling.
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9 minutes ago, AnotherOD said:
"Tyler Shough's floor is Anthony Brown's ceiling. The numbers bear that out."
SHOUGH: 160.4 (2020: 7 games UO)
63.5% for 1,559 yards 13 TDs and 6 INT, 9.4 ypa, 4.1 ypc
BROWN: 154.5 (2019: 5.5 games BC)
59.1% for 1,250 yards 9 TDs and 2 INT, 9.1 ypa, 3.9 ypc
153.8 (2020: 2 games UO)
65.2% for 164 yards 2 TDs and 0 INT, 7.1 ypa, 5.7 ypc
There may be another set of numbers out there? If so, they would be interesting to review. These numbers above could be picked over for tiny differences but appear to be essentially the same.
College Football Reference is a pretty good source.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/anthony-brown-11.html
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19 hours ago, Charles Fischer said:
It is a shame, but we are starting over at QB next season and that really hurts the upside of the team due to the severe learning curve of actual game action. The coaches will have to go through quite a process to find out who can play.
I know that many of us like Anthony Brown, but he had a receiver open at the goal line....and over-threw him. We need someone who can get the job done for certain, or has the obvious upside to warrant the time, patience and errors.
Quarterbacking is a combination of size, athletic talent, brains, and composure. The first three are given or none of these guys would be at a D1 school. The last component is where the amount of snaps come in and how comfortable a guy is in a given system.
Anthony Brown has a lot of snaps under his belt at the D1 level. He probably had somewhere around 2,000 game snaps when he came to Oregon. Tyler Shough played his first season as a starter without the benefit of a Spring practice, a Fall Practice, and a three game "practice" schedule against the Montana State's of the college football world to work out the kinks, get into rhythm with his teammates, and build confidence. He just jumped into the deep end of the pool from the first game. With a new offensive coordinator. And an offensive line that zero snaps together as a unit. And all he did was go out and lead the league in Passing Efficiency and Top-Three in just about every other meaningful QB category.
And that was with what? 400 snaps? I'm thinking that people need to take the rhetoric down just a notch or two and finish letting Shough develop a little more. Let him get more comfortable in Coach Morehead's offense, allow his returning O-Line to become more efficient and cohesive.
It's one thing to play QB in HS, it's quite another to do it at the D1 level. It's a giant learning curve. Tyler Shough's floor is Anthony Brown's ceiling. The numbers bear that out. And the the though that someone already in the QB room (Butterfield or Millen) is going to magically overtake him in the spring is a fantasy. And Ty Thompson? He played 4A ball in Arizona when he was putting up all of those big numbers. When he gets to Oregon he's going to find out that there is a staggering amount information to process from play-to-play, as well as week-to-week. And the maturation doesn't happen overnight.
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This is who Seven McGee reminds me of: Johnny Rodgers
in Our Beloved Ducks
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Classic Tailback - Johnny Rodgers Nebraska Highlights - Bing video
You watch these old video clips and then watch McGee's. Uncanny similarities.
Johnny "The Jet" Rodgers was fun to watch back in the day.