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Yeah, what is done is done. No going back.
However, this will someday be a classic business school case study. So much to learn from it (sadly at our expense).
Wouldn’t surprise me if some of what we are hearing from the blame GK club is CYA.
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Several Pac-12 presidents and athletic directors spoke publicly this week. And a handful of conference insiders shared new details with me from behind the scenes.
Those in the inner sanctum of the conference pointed to a hurricane of broken promises, shaky gamesmanship, blown opportunities and old-fashioned arrogance.
The person in the eye of that storm?
Commissioner George Kliavkoff.
Kliavkoff assured his bosses for months that a satisfactory media-rights deal was just around the corner. “I just need your patience,” he told him. “A little more time,” Kliavkoff said. The presidents and chancellors believed him, right up until that Tuesday meeting when the commissioner unveiled a $23 million-a-year Apple deal that required his membership to take a leap of faith.
They’d hoped for a big bang.
“The gun was empty,” one person said.
Apple later upped the offer to $25 million per school. Production costs were covered, I’m told. The deal had interesting upside. But it reminded the skittish old-guard ADs and campus presidents of the incentive-laden Pac-12 Network dream that was pitched years before by ex-commissioner Larry Scott.
The Apple deal offered no guarantee of linear exposure. And the schools would be in the business of selling annual streaming subscriptions for $100 a pop.
Canzano: 'The gun was empty': The downfall of the Pac-12 Conference
WWW.JOHNCANZANO.COM
A tale of hubris and hollow promises.Paid subscription article, so above is the key point. Kliavkoff didn’t have a deal and hid this from his bosses, causing a break in trust at the worst possible moment.
“Never surprise your bosses!” is “how to be a good employee 101.” Unbelievably stupid.
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Chip Kelly advocates for eliminating conferences in football, keeping Olympic sports regional
SATURDAYOUTWEST.COM
Chip Kelly says major college football should follow Notre Dame's example when it comes to conference affiliations.Keep regional conferences for Olympic sports.
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On 8/8/2023 at 11:24 AM, GODUCKS15 said:
Two programs heading in a different direction stadium wise. And they wonder why no one wants them
Well, until the got screwed, they were a program on the way up. Another four or five years of improvement and they would have been much more sought after. I root against the Beavs on the field, but take no satisfaction about what just happened to them.
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Great article, thx for posting.
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I’d wait to see the demand. Better to sell out then have empty seats. Things may not go as well as we think.
Right now everyone is in the infatuation stage of our love affair with the B1G. It may or may not be warranted.
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LOL, nothing I enjoy more than a USC freak out. One of the unequivocal advantages to being in the B1G with USC.
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On 8/7/2023 at 4:19 PM, Charles Fischer said:
we no longer have our fate decided by three proven losers as Pac-12 Commissioners
I think if Fox and ESPN had treated fairly with PAC we would have done very well with our contract . Wilner talked about where the blame should be placed and presidents and commissioners definitely played a role. The PAC might have avoided being in a weak place but once there we were vulnerable to Fox’s market manipulation.
Will be interested to see if antitrust legal action against Fox and ESPN will occur.
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Excellent article. Without access to the linear sports media oligopoly (Fox and ESPN) in the Apple contract, Oregon was not going to stay in the PAC if they had options that gave them linear media rights.
If you are trying to grow your market presence you can’t rely on subscriptions. Only people who already know you will buy a subscription.
The destruction of the PAC is an object lesson on why monopolies and oligopolies are so destructive to markets and the quality of life.
Google “greedflation” for a primer on another way you are paying for the concentration of economic and political power.
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On 8/4/2023 at 7:25 PM, noDucknewby said:
Metaphor dude.
I know, but a metaphor often used to remove human agency for the cause for a crappy system.
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Lots of blame to go around. First on my list is the linear TV oligopoly that wouldn’t (and couldn’t be forced) to pay fair market price and put Oregon on TV.
Second is Apple with their bean counter driven offer that told everyone that the PAC wasn’t that important to them. Imagine if Apple had given a 30 or 35 million offer, likely the PAC would have taken the risk, the PAC would be together and Apple would have a foothold in college football. The additional cost is about 10 minutes profit for Apple.
Now Apple has nothing unless it can buy part of ESPN. The PAC is dead.
Steve Jobs had many flaws but he knew when to be a visionary and when to let the bean counter rule. Now was a time for a visionary.
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The Pac-12 is dead as we know it, just don't expect the Big Ten, Big 12 or anyone else to take the blame
APPLE.NEWS
Don't expect anyone to take blame for Pac-12's death
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On 8/4/2023 at 3:55 PM, noDucknewby said:
Adapt or die is the law of the jungle.
Except it is not a jungle, but is a human designed system.
This system has flaws that allows a media oligopoly (the so-called linear media) have influence into areas (conference design and membership) that arguably they shouldn’t have.
This has lead to a diminished experience of sports for many of us, and financial disaster, unearned financial disaster, for the most vulnerable schools.
This human designed system is also creating record profits for a relatively narrow group of people who are isolated from the harms of their actions.
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On 8/4/2023 at 3:19 PM, Charles Fischer said:
C'mon...is the Mountain West really that bad?
I don’t think they are bad but the money isn’t there. How is ORST going to pay JS’s salary? How long before he has to leave?
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On 8/4/2023 at 3:16 PM, Log Haulin said:
Utes aren't heading back to MW. B12 will swoop them up. 5 years or less and Utes win the B12.
I sure hope so. Great revenge. Looking forward to the Utes stomping Colorado.
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I hope OR State finds a good home but most likely Mountain West, which will be devastating to ORST’s efforts in football. A tragedy for ORST and WAST.
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Canzano: Oregon and Washington trade Pac-12 for Big Ten
WWW.JOHNCANZANO.COM
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I was reading a report posted in the last few minutes that said overnight negotiations broke down. I guess we’ll find out later today or tomorrow.
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I think we have to factor the extra travel costs, coaching salaries and other expenses caused by moving to the B1G. That makes a 30 million payday not much better than the Apple deal (at least the Apple deal rumors).
Everything depends at this point on Arizona and if they can take Arizona State and Utah with them.
If Arizona, AZ State, and Utah leave, Oregon will have to take what it can. At that point the money may be a lot less than 30 million…20…10?
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USC’s freak out is one of the few enjoyable moments during the last few weeks.
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I don’t see this article as blaming Oregon, just recognizing Oregon’s importance to the PAC.
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It is a paid article. He also mentioned that Washington is meeting at 9pm this evening.
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On 8/3/2023 at 9:55 AM, Wrathis said:
Listening to Canzano's BFT and they're making a fair point. All of the fans have been convinced that getting a partial share is worth it...all the while the conference is just being destabilized by the media companies so they can
get the schools at a wholesale price. That's why they didn't offer a decent media deal, b/c they could implode the conference and buy up the pieces on the cheap. I still think holding the line is worth it as it offers the easiest path
to the college football playoff and an eventual championship. By the way...Nebraska was a powerhouse program that took the money and has been in the graveyard ever since. Just some food for thought...
Amen. I’ve been hearing a lot of posters blaming PAC management for this mess. However, I’m coming to conclusion that the PAC is facing collusion from the linear media oligopoly and their cats paw athletic conference. Something which no one could have predicted. The oligopoly will not even negotiate with the PAC forcing a streaming heavy contract. In the minds of the oligopoly’s CEOs why pay top dollar when they can destroy the PAC and gets its desperate teams on the cheap. The PAC is NOT operating in a free market. It is operating in a market where an oligopoly is fixing prices and we are all paying a price.
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Ducks React to Move to Big Ten, Longer Travel to Games
in Our Beloved Ducks
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True, but it can be change for the worse, or change for the better. Speaking up for your needs is not ingratitude especially when your are considered a minor player and will likely get the "short end of the stick."