Jon Joseph Moderator No. 1 Share Posted January 29 (edited) Ohio State hit it big in the portal, but what about the rest of the Big Ten? THEATHLETIC.COM Ranking the Big Ten teams from 1-18 based on each team’s portal performance, with additions and departures figured in. Edited January 30 by Jon Joseph Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Author Moderator No. 2 Share Posted January 29 (edited) Some thoughts on the 'New SEC.' Eight key topics for beginning of SEC's new era THEATHLETIC.COM What's new and next for SEC football in 2024? Let's take a look at eight of the biggest storylines. Sec in the 10-Year BCS x 2 - Most Appearances - 10/ Bama 7; Most Wins - 14/ 9 by Bama/ Most Titles - 6/ 3 Bama and 2 UGA. Do you think that DeBoer has some big shoes to fill? Edited January 29 by Jon Joseph Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Author Moderator No. 3 Share Posted January 30 (edited) SEC continues to dominate recruiting. 13 of 16 SEC teams ranked in the 2024 Recruiting 2025. A 10-year media deal with ESPN ends in 2034. The B1G's new media deal will be renegotiated in 2030. Has the SEC made an ACC-like media mistake? Come the next B1G media deal, Puddles will be shown The Money! Edited January 30 by Jon Joseph 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Author Moderator No. 4 Share Posted January 30 https://athlonsports.com/college-football/paul-finebaum-analyzes-sec-teams-that-are-under-most-pressure-in-2024 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solar No. 5 Share Posted January 30 On 1/29/2024 at 4:10 PM, Jon Joseph said: SEC continues to dominate recruiting. 13 of 16 SEC teams ranked in the 2024 Recruiting 2025. A 10-year media deal with ESPN ends in 2034. The B1G's new media deal will be renegotiated in 2030. Has the SEC made an ACC-like media mistake? Come the next B1G media deal, Puddles will be shown The Money! If we are at an inflection point in media earnings due to streaming, then it is better to have a longer contract. We'll have to wait and see. I think we will resolve pay for play and conference realignment by 2030 though, which means both of those media contracts will be overcome by events and have to be redone. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duckley Palace No. 6 Share Posted January 31 There will be a cap on NIL. A period for portals. I hope all things become enforceable. No more coaches signing contracts and then leaving without themselves having to pay off the buyout. No more schools like Florida State seeking an out of a contract they signed freely, no private equity. Oregon didn't sign anything to keep them tethered to the Pac-12. To me that's why the Bevus lawsuit is nonsense. Oregon invested in their program, made smart hires. Used resources legally to enhance the brand to become an attractive entity in sports that mattered, football being king. Oregon State was content being mediocre to terrible. They didn't look ahead at the possibility of the Pac-12 going belly up. The warning signs were there, dating back to 2012. But they continued to just believe the bubble would never burst. Zero accountability. The adults in the room failed the future kids that would pay for that incompetence. The SEC and Big Ten leadership has been miles ahead. Lucky for programs like Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, Northwestern, Purdue, Indiana, Rutgers, and the sort. Yes geography helped. But that didn't stop Utah, Oregon, or Boise State from elevating themselves the last two decades. Accountability, it's why even programs in geographically ideal locations got left out, but got brought back to at least the P4 table. Programs like Houston, UCF, or Cincy. Cincy won three Big East football titles, but got dropped when the league folded. Nobody in the media cried for them. They invested, competed with a two million dollar media payout. Made a playoff appearance. So I'm sick of this crying going on right now, about the fate of Oregon State. Oregon didn't betray them, they just made the decision that needed to be made. Just like Oklahoma did, just like how Florida isn't in any mood to help FSU get into the SEC. Enjoy the Mountain West ,Beav. Much love-Puddles, in a pond of cash- 1 2 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Author Moderator No. 7 Share Posted January 31 The NFL does not have an NIL salary cap. It does have a cap on what teams can spend overall on the players' salaries but no cap on what an individual can earn off of his NIL. I can see a salary cap coming when CFB morphs into NFL Lite as agreed to between the teams and the Players Union but no cap on NIL. Coaches' contracts have built-in liquidated damages, the cost of a buy-out. In the USA, contracts may provide for penalties and non-compete clauses but cannot be used to tie someone down to a job they do not want. In sports, players are locked into their team for a given time because, again, this is what the Union has collectively (the players being the collective) bargained for. That the NFL deal with the Union deal penalizes rookies and young players in favor of experienced players should come as no surprise. Your take is spot on. I read today, forwarded to me by friend, Notalot, that the AGs of Tennessee and Florida have filed anti-trust litigation against the NCAA. Tennessee because of the NCAA accusing the Vols of improper use of NIL and Florida to help FSU escape the ACC. This along with litigation percolating in state and federal courts will lead to a break of the 'biggest boys' in CFB and agreements with a players' union including restraints on free agency, a salary cap, and quite possibly a high school draft. All of this will drop CFB coaches' salaries closer to the realm of reason. The impetus for consolidation is not only coming from the outside. It's coming from within with FSU being the most dramatic example. FSU wants to be paid according to its market value, investment in football in particular, and on-field success and not share conference revenues equally with Wake Forest. In this regard, FSU is far from unique. It will be a new world for "college" football but whether 'brave' or not remains to be seen. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Marsh No. 8 Share Posted January 31 On 1/31/2024 at 9:20 AM, Duckley Palace said: There will be a cap on NIL. There is a big problem with NIL. Namely that schools don't pay players but 3rd parties do. Schools and coaches are technically not allowed to facilitate the deals or know how things are being done... But most know enough to function. NIL isn't capped at the NFL level because the NFL has contracts that bind players to an organization for a period of time and those organizations play those players. So NIL money is money for advertisements and things where the company paying the player is getting a major tangible benefit from their payment. Mahomes is paid for his advertisement work and the companies get to put Mahomes on stuff but that isn't how Mahomes makes the majority of his money, it's a side gig. Granted a side gig that pays better than most of our jobs. For the majority of the players at the college level most NIL deals are their paychecks and primary source of income. And for many all their NIL deals include is some social media posts. Players aren't bound to teams with the portal so they are free to shop the best NIL deals. The other major factor at play here is that the pool of players is so much different at the college level than the pro. For the NFL all players need to go through the NFL's gate keeping to be considered worth adding to a team. The biggest of these gates is the draft, get drafted or signed to a team and you're getting paid and may be worth other teams looking to sign you later. But at college there are thousands of players at varying skill levels. Some good and will get drafted and others good but won't be drafted. NIL pays these players not the schools. So how do you put a cap on something that schools themselves can't regulate? You really can't. So what would have to happen is that schools and he NCAA pays players and NIL is banned. That way it can actually be regulated. NIL at the college level is directed at schools but not run by schools. Whereas at the NFL, NIL is directed at a player regardless of their team. Mahomes would still be in state farm adds even if he played or another team. Division Street is paying for Dillion Gabriel because he's going to be at Oregon. They wouldn't pay him anything if he went to Washington. NIL can't be regulated. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JabbaNoBargain No. 9 Share Posted January 31 (edited) On 1/31/2024 at 10:52 AM, David Marsh said: There is a big problem with NIL. Namely that schools don't pay players but 3rd parties do. Schools and coaches are technically not allowed to facilitate the deals or know how things are being done... But most know enough to function. NIL isn't capped at the NFL level because the NFL has contracts that bind players to an organization for a period of time and those organizations play those players. So NIL money is money for advertisements and things where the company paying the player is getting a major tangible benefit from their payment. Mahomes is paid for his advertisement work and the companies get to put Mahomes on stuff but that isn't how Mahomes makes the majority of his money, it's a side gig. Granted a side gig that pays better than most of our jobs. For the majority of the players at the college level most NIL deals are their paychecks and primary source of income. And for many all their NIL deals include is some social media posts. Players aren't bound to teams with the portal so they are free to shop the best NIL deals. The other major factor at play here is that the pool of players is so much different at the college level than the pro. For the NFL all players need to go through the NFL's gate keeping to be considered worth adding to a team. The biggest of these gates is the draft, get drafted or signed to a team and you're getting paid and may be worth other teams looking to sign you later. But at college there are thousands of players at varying skill levels. Some good and will get drafted and others good but won't be drafted. NIL pays these players not the schools. So how do you put a cap on something that schools themselves can't regulate? You really can't. So what would have to happen is that schools and he NCAA pays players and NIL is banned. That way it can actually be regulated. NIL at the college level is directed at schools but not run by schools. Whereas at the NFL, NIL is directed at a player regardless of their team. Mahomes would still be in state farm adds even if he played or another team. Division Street is paying for Dillion Gabriel because he's going to be at Oregon. They wouldn't pay him anything if he went to Washington. NIL can't be regulated. Great post! NIL is pretty much binary, it is or it isn’t. Your analogies are very helpful. Edited January 31 by JabbaNoBargain 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duckley Palace No. 10 Share Posted February 2 On 1/31/2024 at 11:52 AM, David Marsh said: There is a big problem with NIL. Namely that schools don't pay players but 3rd parties do. Schools and coaches are technically not allowed to facilitate the deals or know how things are being done... But most know enough to function. NIL isn't capped at the NFL level because the NFL has contracts that bind players to an organization for a period of time and those organizations play those players. So NIL money is money for advertisements and things where the company paying the player is getting a major tangible benefit from their payment. Mahomes is paid for his advertisement work and the companies get to put Mahomes on stuff but that isn't how Mahomes makes the majority of his money, it's a side gig. Granted a side gig that pays better than most of our jobs. For the majority of the players at the college level most NIL deals are their paychecks and primary source of income. And for many all their NIL deals include is some social media posts. Players aren't bound to teams with the portal so they are free to shop the best NIL deals. The other major factor at play here is that the pool of players is so much different at the college level than the pro. For the NFL all players need to go through the NFL's gate keeping to be considered worth adding to a team. The biggest of these gates is the draft, get drafted or signed to a team and you're getting paid and may be worth other teams looking to sign you later. But at college there are thousands of players at varying skill levels. Some good and will get drafted and others good but won't be drafted. NIL pays these players not the schools. So how do you put a cap on something that schools themselves can't regulate? You really can't. So what would have to happen is that schools and he NCAA pays players and NIL is banned. That way it can actually be regulated. NIL at the college level is directed at schools but not run by schools. Whereas at the NFL, NIL is directed at a player regardless of their team. Mahomes would still be in state farm adds even if he played or another team. Division Street is paying for Dillion Gabriel because he's going to be at Oregon. They wouldn't pay him anything if he went to Washington. NIL can't be regulated. Good point. Pandora's box has been opened. Seems like a separation is most likely the outcome. What I mean by regulation is what inevitably will come from play for pay. You will get female basketball players demand the same cut as male players. You'll get non revenue generating sports players begin to grumble, and it will be nonsensical. The world of economics has no place in some people's minds. There is going to be a needed statement about a player's economic worth. Bo Nix is going to get more than the starting pitcher on the softball squad. Both are student athletes, but Bo Nix is going to get a deal from Nike. The pitcher may get a much smaller deal from a smaller company. It has nothing to do with the University. It has nothing to do with your worth as a student athlete. A business like McDonalds can have Gabriel on a commercial, they don't have to offer the star water polo defender. It's real before feel. Same reason Oregon is more valuable than Oregon State. It's not personal, just business. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solar No. 11 Share Posted February 2 On 1/31/2024 at 10:18 AM, Jon Joseph said: The NFL does not have an NIL salary cap. It does have a cap on what teams can spend overall on the players' salaries but no cap on what an individual can earn off of his NIL. I can see a salary cap coming when CFB morphs into NFL Lite as agreed to between the teams and the Players Union but no cap on NIL. Coaches' contracts have built-in liquidated damages, the cost of a buy-out. In the USA, contracts may provide for penalties and non-compete clauses but cannot be used to tie someone down to a job they do not want. In sports, players are locked into their team for a given time because, again, this is what the Union has collectively (the players being the collective) bargained for. That the NFL deal with the Union deal penalizes rookies and young players in favor of experienced players should come as no surprise. Your take is spot on. I read today, forwarded to me by friend, Notalot, that the AGs of Tennessee and Florida have filed anti-trust litigation against the NCAA. Tennessee because of the NCAA accusing the Vols of improper use of NIL and Florida to help FSU escape the ACC. This along with litigation percolating in state and federal courts will lead to a break of the 'biggest boys' in CFB and agreements with a players' union including restraints on free agency, a salary cap, and quite possibly a high school draft. All of this will drop CFB coaches' salaries closer to the realm of reason. The impetus for consolidation is not only coming from the outside. It's coming from within with FSU being the most dramatic example. FSU wants to be paid according to its market value, investment in football in particular, and on-field success and not share conference revenues equally with Wake Forest. In this regard, FSU is far from unique. It will be a new world for "college" football but whether 'brave' or not remains to be seen. Something simple that everyone can learn about contracts, is every reasonable contract has a remedy for being broken. (Never sign one that doesn't!) Meaning both parties not only pre-agree to the conditions of the new partnership, they also pre-agree to the consequences of breaking the partnership. That is why there is no moral or ethical issue with breaking any contract. Whether walking away from a mortgage or discharging a mountain of credit card debt in bankruptcy. Both sides agree to the outcomes of those choices in advance. It may be a statement to make in jest, but it is 100% correct to say that "Contracts are made to be broken." Now those morons that signed iron clad grants of rights are a different story... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solar No. 12 Share Posted February 2 I wonder if the NFL has collectives to help draw in free agents? If not, then why not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Marsh No. 13 Share Posted February 2 (edited) On 2/2/2024 at 9:06 AM, Solar said: I wonder if the NFL has collectives to help draw in free agents? If not, then why not? Why would the NFL need collectives? The best players come to them because the NFL is the end game for football players. The Canadian Football League is a cancellation prize for not making the NFL. Players have their own agents who work pretty hard to get their clients in front of prospective teams. In short all NFL teams have free agents come to them and then they get to sit back and hand pick who they want and then negotiate the contracts to see who they will end up taking. Collectives at the College level are there to be the source of payment for players' services. Even then they get some "non-coordinated" instruction from a schools coaches as they determine a deal. The whole process at the college level is horribly messy and not something the professionals have any interest in adopting, especially when they don't gain any advantage from doing so and is probably illegal for them to do so as it would circumvent the salary cap which is what creates some degree of fairness in the NFL. Edited February 2 by David Marsh 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JabbaNoBargain No. 14 Share Posted February 2 On 2/2/2024 at 9:04 AM, Solar said: Something simple that everyone can learn about contracts, is every reasonable contract has a remedy for being broken. (Never sign one that doesn't!) Meaning both parties not only pre-agree to the conditions of the new partnership, they also pre-agree to the consequences of breaking the partnership. That is why there is no moral or ethical issue with breaking any contract. Whether walking away from a mortgage or discharging a mountain of credit card debt in bankruptcy. Both sides agree to the outcomes of those choices in advance. It may be a statement to make in jest, but it is 100% correct to say that "Contracts are made to be broken." Now those morons that signed iron clad grants of rights are a different story... I think there is still an out with the ACC, it just happens to be reported at nearly $600M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Author Moderator No. 15 Share Posted February 2 On 2/2/2024 at 12:06 PM, Solar said: I wonder if the NFL has collectives to help draw in free agents? If not, then why not? Every NFL team has a Salary Cap expert. A person(s) who knows exactly how much room the team has in cap space. Don't need a collective as the team is the employer. I don't think multi-billionaire NFL owners need help coming up with the money. This is true even for publically owned Green Bay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duckley Palace No. 16 Share Posted February 3 I feel like I need a refreshment in how this new industry is going to work. I just like watching eleven guys try to march down the field, as eleven other guys try to stop them. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
criticalduck No. 17 Share Posted February 3 On 1/31/2024 at 9:20 AM, Duckley Palace said: So I'm sick of this crying going on right now, about the fate of Oregon State. Oregon didn't betray them, they just made the decision that needed to be made. The fans of osu and wsu believe the "tradition should have lead UW and UO to "bring them along" not the fact that they didn't invest in the sport that makes all of the other sports go! They are the privileged children that you see on the airwaves all the time because the consequences are "mom and dad" will fix it! Great you have championships in baseball and gymnastics but did it make you enough money for you to continue to operate the next year? No? "Mom" UO and "Dad" Pac12 are supposed to help you get out of jail free...WRONG!! R-E-S-P-O-N-S-I-B-I-L-I-T-Y 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
