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Dave23
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On 2/5/2023 at 2:37 PM, 2002duck said:
When games are on network TV or ESPN/FS1 people are almost "tricked" or forced to watch, or happily stumble upon the game and stay to watch.
I watch games on the ESPN app and click into games that I was not intended to watch all the time. In the app you can see the score and if it's close I check it out.
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On 2/5/2023 at 2:32 PM, Pennsylvania Duck said:
Thursday Night NFL games on Amazon this year were a 40% drop
When the NFL network came out it was free the first year then they charged for it the second year. I'm sure they had a big drop off because I remember having to go to a bar to watch the game.
The NFL network had one game a week and if you didn't have a cable sports package your didn't get it. Remember it was the only NFL game not on a major network broadcasted for free, so I see your point.
The more game that are on one streaming service the more attractive it becomes to subscribe.
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On 2/2/2023 at 12:08 PM, Duck Fan 76 said:
Now we just need to figure out a way to convince moms and girlfriends that Eugene is where they want to be.
I think some on-campus nail and hair salons along with luxury spas should to do the trick.
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Ware played 0 minutes tonight. Hope he figures out out, he could really help this team down the stretch.
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On 1/27/2023 at 10:39 AM, John Charles said:
Gosh, what's next? Stanford hires MC as new offensive line coach!
I wouldn't like to see him at Stanford but offense line coach is what he is qualified for.
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On 1/27/2023 at 6:19 PM, WiseKwacker said:
Not sure why you'd include Bittle in a list of "busts."
I have to totally agree, he's developing into a sold player that's really starting to contribute. Payton, Brooks, Duarte, and Boucher got so much better over their years at Oregon. Had King, Brown, Bol and Wooten stayed another year or two they would have been more prepared for the NBA.
I'm really hoping NIL money will help with this problem. A lot of these kids get caught up with the people around them telling them their NBA ready and they should get payed as soon as possible. Just maybe a little money will settle them down and they can see the long play.
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On 1/27/2023 at 6:28 PM, AnotherOD said:
It would seem, if a recruit LOVES Oregon, but the rest of the family isn't sure, one free transfer sort of makes letting the kid give it a shot a bit easier to decide, or no?
Good point, this could also work in reverse. What if a recruit goes to a school for girl then breaks up with or finds their independence from mom after a year of college. This could lead to recruits coming to their dream school later in their career.
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On 1/22/2023 at 12:56 PM, Charles Fischer said:
I want the games on both mediums
That's would be optimal, currently the only one I know that provides that is ESPN. Not my favorite choice but they have the platform to do it, getting them to pay up will not be easy.
It would be an interesting deal if each team got payed a base wage plus % of the viewership of each game. The individual teams should be allowed to capitalize on their brands and what they brings to viewership numbers.
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Oregon average 2.21 million views a game and their media market is only 1.1 million take that versus USC 2.07 million views per game in a 17.6 million media market. According to traditional media Oregon is worth far less than USC because they have more potential viewers.
In this day and age this is a very archaic valuation of potential revenue and why I'm a supporter of signing media deal with a streaming service. Internet companies use views as their metric to indicate value not addressable media market.
If you have a 1 million followers on Instagram and you live in north pole your worth more than someone with 500 thousand followers in LA
This leads me to believe Oregon is far more valuable than 30 million a year valuation that it currently has.
Regional TV is only important when it comes to the news, as apparently every single person in the Oregon media market plus 1.1 million watch every week. Here's to hoping the PAC 12 can make a media deal that gives Oregon what they're worth or they'll have no choice but to leave.
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On 1/22/2023 at 8:08 AM, Charles Fischer said:
It will be interesting to watch-what does Klemm do?
I would think having a veteran center to help run the offense would be vastly more important than having him at the guard position. Just my two cents.
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Really hope we get him as he would be a nightmare for opposing defenses to cover.
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On 1/21/2023 at 11:23 PM, Pennsylvania Duck said:
You're right, we have no alpha dog, like a Payton Pritchard, to motivate/energize this team when it's needed.
This team really depends on Richardson for their leadership and when he's not on the team is flat.
With a team that changes so much years to year having that core guy that has been with the team is super important. Most of the past "it" guys came to Oregon out of highschool and where developed into l leaders that could hold the team together when the going got tuff.
Really hoping Jackson Shelstad will be that guy going forward.
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Well said and I agree 100%, being a big fish in a little pond, even if it's for less money, is better than being a small fish in a big pond.
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On 1/21/2023 at 12:04 AM, Pennsylvania Duck said:
Hi Dave23. I guess you and I look at "convenience" in different ways. I live on the east coast and I find it convenient that I can watch the SEC, ACC, Big Ten, and local colleges on my cable. I like being able to switch channels at will from game to game. I find streaming very inconvenient in that respect.
With the ESPN app you can change games just like your can on cable SEC, ACC, and BIG 12 Networks are all accessible along with ABC and all the ESPN's. On my TV which is relatively new I can switch back and forth between apps fairly quick. I absolutely love the fact that if there was a really good game during the Oregon game that I can watch it on demand later that day, for me that's more convenient than trying to watch three games at one time.
As far as viewership is concerned Amazon prime has 150 million subscribers in the US and 200 million worldwide. Compared that to TV subscribers of 66 million.
I'm not exactly sure how much it cost to have cable with recording capability and all the channels nowadays but when I last had it was around $130 and that did not include the pac-12 network or ESPN Plus. Currently ESPN Plus and Amazon prime cost me about $25 a month if the pac-12 and Fox were available in a subscription format that'd be reasonable to guess that they'd be 10 to 15 bucks a month per putting my total subscriptions up to $50 a month.
This price point makes it much more approachable for young people and lower income families of which many recruits come from. It's been stated on this forum many times about how NFL scouts and national pundits don't watch PAC 12 games because of how late they are played which is solely due to networks wanting to fill time slots. PAC 12 has so much to gain from playing games at a normal time of day for the rest of the country which will never happen under the networks.
I get the wanting to be able to channel surf but ultimately I want to see the PAC 12 survive and flourish which will not happen with the current Network contracts. If they wanted to guarantee games being played at a normal time of the day that would be great but I don't see that happening. Being on the East Coast either you have to staying up till 2:00am or record the game to watch the late pac-12 game.
How many parents on the East Coast are letting their kids stay up till 2:00 a.m. to watch the PAC? Recruiting will get much better and the PAC 12 can become relevant again.
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Ultimately I'm frustrated how hard it is to watch an Oregon game if you don't live on the west coast. Granted if Oregon's doing well they get a lot more prime spots, but in the not so good years you don't even get to watch them play.
I'm not a huge fan of Amazon but when it comes down to it their almost unlimited resources and cloud computing capabilities opens up Oregon football to the world not just the west coast of the United States.
This would be no experiment as the writing's on the wall it's going that way for better or worst. Oregon has the most to gain from the PAC 12 remaining intact and the only way that happens is with more money bei6 brought in from media contracts.
Being a big fish and a small pond is not a bad thing just look at what Clemson's done. If the streaming route doesn't work out for the PAC 12, then Oregon would still be the number one prospect for moving into one of the super conferences as they have the best brand and viewership in the conference.
Keep the PAC alive!
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On 1/19/2023 at 9:58 PM, 2002duck said:
I understand that streaming helps Duck fans that live around the country, but it does help Oregon gain exposure, recruits, and National Championships. You're not going to get passive viewers to use a streaming app to watch a random Oregon Pac-12 game, and we need those eyeballs.
I would have to respectfully disagree with this premise as currently if you live outside the west coast the exposer to recruits is hampered by major networks more than helping. A game on a major network that starts a 10pm eastern time doesn't help as much as a game that streams at 5pm.
Highschool kids in this day and age don't have cable they stream everything. Often I find my self surfing thru game on the ESPN app watch many games that would never be on the major networks, especially if they are ranked.
The other major benefit to streaming is the on demand aspect that makes it so if I want or miss the game I can watch the game the next day or the next year. Recruits that want to know how they're position is being used could watch every game played.
Highschool kids and cord cutting adults are now used to being able to watch everything at their convenience. The reason college football is now worth so much money is due to every power 5 conference game, except the PAC 12, being available nation wide. The PAC 12 is being left behind because of the horrible management of the PAC 12 Network.
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On 1/19/2023 at 12:36 AM, 2002duck said:
5PM on ABC every Saturday would be nice.
That would be amazing but the only way I see that happening is if they go the streaming route. Oregon will lose out on that time slot to half the B1G who have bigger media markets. Maybe they would work it like the NFL and do the regional coverage thing that I can't stand. I don't watch the NFL because the only games available are the Broncos and Seahawks in my market.
The only way to ensure national coverage for Oregon is through streaming as you can have unlimited channels and broadcast every single college game to the nation. Outside of Oregon it is very difficult to get Oregon games on cable, even harder in a year when they aren't doing very good.
The ESPN+ model would work best, I can watch games on ESPN, ESPN 2 or ESPNU and then there's a bunch more game not aired on cable that are available, it's pretty unlimited. If Amazon was to get the rights to PAC 12 games then license those to local broadcast stations we could have the best of both worlds. The PAC 12 will die without national coverage and they will have a way better b chance of going to the playoffs in the PAC.
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On 1/18/2023 at 5:03 PM, DUCati855 said:
At least with a streaming service those who want to follow the Pac would be able to.
Even in Montana it's fairly hard to get PAC 12 none of the sports bars have Dish Network which is the only option. Those same sports bar more than like already have Prime.
The PAC 12 Network could make a lot more money if I could subscribe to it just like ESPN+
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On 1/17/2023 at 10:38 PM, 2002duck said:
Is it too much for me to take the 20-40 seconds to switch from the stream back to cable when there is no live action?
This is changing, TVs are integrating streaming service in a guide that shows all the combined services so it's more live traditional cable.
Personally I love the fact that if I miss a game I can go back and stream the game on demand long after it aired with out an recording device that eventually gets full. Fast forwarding thru commercials is a little tedious but this too will change hopefully.
The state of the technology is a lot like when I was a kid and had to go outside and crank a satellite dish by hand to a scratch mark so that I could get the G1 satellite. Things will get better.
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On 1/17/2023 at 7:04 PM, 12Duck72 said:
Oregon needs to look out for Oregon
Not sure how the legality of it would workout but personally I would love an all Oregon streaming service provided by the University. If they could then license games to the networks maybe they could make it worth there time.
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We will miss his blocking the most, he sprang some big runs this year.
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He could follow in Devon's foot steps and due the 110 hurdles, as tall as he is not much hurdling would be required.
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On 12/31/2022 at 7:08 PM, OregonDucks said:
Perhaps they are auditioning for the BIG?
Maybe deal should be they get USC and UCLA but they have to trade us the Big10 refs.
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Oh no Pac-12 refs, enjoy what we always have to live with. Best of luck
Streaming Games: Rough Waters or Gently Down the Stream?
in Our Beloved Ducks
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Not being on the west coast I find this extremely frustrating as well. To me the only answer to this is streaming as I don't see ESPN picking up and airing all PAC 12 games.