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I don't want to ruffle any feathers here (small pun intended); but, regarding Bear, I can see an argument about "past on the field" issues (chasing playing time, moving around 8 schools in 9 years); but, any behavior "off the field" that has caused any alarm? OP's question seems to be about recruits with possible "bad actor" pasts, haven't seen that apply to Bear? A guy who wants more snaps to me is maybe in a different category than DUII (Carrington), heroin and cocaine and assault (Lyerla), meth (Maloata), theft and criminal mischief (Leiato), SA (Wallace), indecent exposure (Merrit), or murder (Prevot). The Brandon Austin (SA) situation from the basketball program probably best fits. I don't think Dan is giving Austin a shot. I would guess the fan argument would be a guy who jumps around a lot would be a bit of a "me first" type of player (and trouble in the locker room)? It doesn't necessarily mean "bad locker room" guy automatically (I'm sure there are always guys who want to play more). Haven't seen any real reports of it, other than perhaps some angry USC fans talking about effort and commitment, which is pretty standard these portal situations.

Always interesting reflections on Colt. At the time, I think he was considered a physical outlier for the position, and worth the risk. Today, I think Oregon usually has several TE prospects that fit that mold, so it is less a huge selling point? So the calculus might be a bit different? Now, I believe Colt had left the program about five months before the combine and a couple months even further from his pro day workout at Portland State. So, maybe over that time he hadn't got himself in the best shape, I don't know? But for comparison, look at his (2014) RAS (relative athletic score) compared to Terrence Ferguson (2025), Ed Dickson (2010), and Johnny Mundt (2017): Ferguson: 9.32 out of 10 Height: 6-5.3 Weight: 247 Arm: 32.88 Hand: 9.25 Bench: 15 40: 4.63 20: 2.67 10: 1.61 Vertical: 39.00 Broad: 10.02 Lyerla: 8.51 out of 10 Height: 6-3.7 Weight: 242 ARM: 32.75 Hand: 10.25 Bench: 15 40: 4.61 20: 2.67 10: 1.61 Vertical: 39.00 Broad: 10.08 Ed Dickson: 7.51 out of 10 Height: 6-4.2 Weight: 249 Arm: 33.0 Hand: 10.75 Bench: 23 40: 4.67 20: 2.74 10: 1. 65 Vertical: 34.0 Broad: 9.07 Johnny Mundt: 6.68 out of 10 Height: 6-4.2 Weight: 243 Arm: 32.38 Hand: 9.63 Bench: 21 40: 4.61 20: 2.67 10: 1.61 Vertical: 30.0 Broad: 9.05 My suspicion is both Kenyon Sadiq and Jabari Johnson will be close to Ferguson's score (if Sadiq were about an inch taller I would say it would be a near lock); and, I'm not sure Ferguson was even thought of as a huge physical outlier for the TE position at Oregon? Some more Colt stuff. Seems like the NFL found him to be a poor route runner and largely disinterested blocker (Ryan McCrystal); but, did appreciate his athletic traits. Athleticism is elite, but measurables are below average for the position. He's shorter than most pass-catching tight ends (just under 6'4") and has relatively short arms. Routes are sloppy. He doesn't run straight routes, even when unimpeded by the defense, and his cuts are frequently rounded off. Surprisingly ineffective at fighting through linebackers trying to throw him off his route. Doesn't show great balance and sometimes lacks the awareness to even anticipate the hit. Extremely inconsistent effort as a blocker. Has moments when he gets intense and fights hard as a blocker, but also has moments when he barely even feigns interest and easily gets tossed aside. Frequently loses balance and slides off his blocks. Also tends to lunge and often whiffs on linebackers at the second level. Impressive athlete with a nice blend of size, speed and agility for the position. Has enough speed to stretch the field in certain matchups. Quick off the snap and builds speed quickly, which will give certain linebackers and safeties issues in man coverage. A matchup nightmare who can give linebackers issues with his speed, but can cause trouble for defensive backs due to his size. Demonstrates great body control and an ability to adjust to poorly placed passes. Impressive leaping ability helps to make up for his modest height and makes him a threat in jump-ball situations. A very smooth athlete who moves well and is capable of making crisp, explosive cuts, giving him elite potential as a route-runner. Elite ability after the catch, both in terms of pure speed as well as an ability to make guys miss in the open field and occasionally break some tackles. I guess the point, back around 2010, if you could find an athletic TE at Oregon with an 8.5 level RAS, it probably was more worth the gamble than today, where most TE recruits considering Oregon will be in that profile range? Take a look at 6-7 and 250 pound TE recruit Kendre Harrison, with a 6-11 wingspan and 10.5 hands might look with 4 years of strength and conditioning under his belt.

One of the interesting side notes to the Taggart saga was that of the 9 December decommits that were directly tied to his leaving -- 8 four stars (7/8 ranked inside the top 260) and 1 three star -- a big portion of why the class had been ranked so highly, pretty much all ended up being very underwhelming at best and in most cases busts (given their ranking). 4 stars #114 Tre'Shaun Harrison: followed WT to FSU and was ok the two Taggart seasons for a young player, catching 37 passes in 24 games for 355 yards and 3 TDs. Returned to the NW to Oregon State where in 3 seasons and 28 games caught 90 passes for 1147 yards and 8 TDs. Many probably remember his time at OSU as a sort of roll receiver #119 Colson Yankoff: recollection he was thought of as a huge loss to the class, and possibly underrated as the #5 QB recruit in the nation. Went to the UW and washed out then to UCLA where he dabbled a bit at RB and WR, producing 303 yards of total offense in 3 seasons #150 Braden Lenzy: flipped to Notre Dame and played in 9, 7, 13, and 13 games over four years totalling 74 catches for 976 yards and 9 TDs (32 for 350 and 3 TDs as a junior being his best year). He did rush 13 times for 200 yards and 2 TDs as a rFR then only got 10 more carries for 76 yards and 0 TDs the next 3 years #157 Warren Thompson: followed WT to FSU and redshirted and caught 11 passes the next 2 years then transferred to Arkansas where he caught 31 passes over 2 years, then ended up at TCU for 19 for 246 and 2 TDs in his 6th season #222 Malcolm Lamar: spent a single redshirt year at DE at Florida State before disappearing for a couple years then surfacing at Florida Atlantic as an OL. Finally became a starter as a senior last year for the Owls #231 Isaiah Bolden: redshirted and then started one game for FSU at CB before transfering to Jackson State. Became a starter as a senior. #260 Michael Ezeike: flipped to UCLA, spent 5 years at TE, totalling 35 catches for 407 yards and 7 TDs #330 Myles Battle: spent his first two years at Old Miss at WR and had 4 catches. Switched to CB and started 4 games over two years then transfered to Utah where he started 2 games and played in all 13 Three Star #733 Johnathan King: flipped to Indiana and redshirted then had one start in 3 years. Finished his career at Alabama A&M Class also had 4 decommits after December in Devin Culp, Eli'jah Winston, Muhamed Diallo, and Teagan Quitoriano. Plus at least 7 other Taggart commits who we know washed out (Elliott, Cunningham, Jackson, A. Johnson, Randazzo, Jaramillo, J. Johnson). So, if WT stays, that's 20 right there who don't end up doing much to anything. Class could have ended "all sizzle (mostly) no steak."

The Ducks only punted 46 times in 14 games; or, about 3.3 times per game. With likely 1.3 of those attempts being attempts to pin an opponent inside the 10, we are looking at about 2 full punts per game. Give me a guy with some experience who can get some hang time and average 42-44 ypp and all should be good. Ferguson-Robinson should be great. Getting into the weeds of JFR, the numbers are a bit interesting. 2022 63 punts 41.8 ypp (83rd) 7 punts 50+ 2023 55 punts 49.7 ypp (2nd ) 29 punts 50+ 2024 43 punts 43.5 ypp (51st) 3 punts 50+ % inside 20: 2022 3% 2023 2% 2024 37% (Went from 2 kicks inside the 20, to 1 kick, to 16 last year)

I'd pick Iowa over Washington. Iowa with a new OC seems to have found a pulse last year offensively. They jumped 60 spots in offensive F+. It only brought them to middle of the pack status; but, they actually rushed the ball pretty well last year. Their passing game only improved modestly; but, they are bringing in a QB in Mark Gronowski who won back-to-back FCS titles (and one FCS player of the year award). Obviously it is a wait and see how the jump to FBS goes; but, with over 10,000 career passing yards, he will bring experience and one might expect at least a higher floor. On defense Iowa finished #9 in defensive F+, after finishing #3 the year prior. They will be replacing 7 starters; but, their early depth chart shows 9 seniors and two juniors (all who were a part of the program last year). They have a history of usually being solid there (they haven't allowed 30 points to an opponent at home for 56 straight games dating back to early 2016. It's a bit of an apples-to-oranges kind of comparison given how the two teams play but, just for reference, Oregon over the same stretch gave up 30+ at Autzen 12 times). I'll go ahead and take the USC over Indiana. Always liked Mendoza at Cal and expect Indiana will be good again; but, Oregon should have a significant talent advantage on paper (both UI's losses last year were to top 10 blue-chip rosters in Ohio State and Notre Dame). Plus, they will be coming into Autzen. I think 30 years ago was their only visit. USC will be visiting as well; but, its a trip they have made regularly since before Autzen opened. Should be less a factor.

I know, typing that scenario didn't seem quite right. How about "Oregon loses at Penn State, at Iowa, and to Minnesota" instead? Will fix it. I would be a bit surprised to see Oregon losing at Autzen in 2025. If throwing out a 9-3 regular season, at UW would seem a higher probability than at Northwestern or at Rutgers or at home to Minnesota (or to USC). UW has been pretty tough at home recently. In the last 10 UO/UW games, it looks like 5-5 (though 3-2 at Husky Stadium, 2-2 at Autzen, 0-1 neutral site). As ugly as this stat is, over the last 10 contests, Oregon has been outscored 288-330 (allowing 33 points per game yuck). Absolutely that was bad energy and needed fixed!

Starting to ease into the previews; but, taking an early look I think the B1G is in for a very competitive year, with a lot of teams beating each other up. I do see as many as 11 teams who could be pretty decent and win at least 8 in the regular season. I'm thinking maybe the conference champion at 10-2, which means about 5 teams at 9-3 and another 5 at 8-4. A real wild and competitive roller coaster (with a strong OOC for the B1G, I think the math works). Not much of a gambler, but grabbed some win totals from one of the major books. Penn State 10.5 tOSU 10.5 UO 10.5 Michigan 9.5 Illinois 8.5 Indiana 8.5 Iowa 7.5 Nebraska 7.5 USC 7.5 UW 7.5 Minnesota 6.5 Wisconsin 5.5 Rutgers 5.5 UCLA 5.5 Michigan State 5.5 Maryland 4.5 Northwestern 3.5 Purdue 3.5 I am thinking I would take the UNDER for all four of the top predicted teams: Penn State, tOSU, Oregon, and Michigan. I would also add the UNDER for: UCLA and Purdue. The only OVERS that jump out are: Minnesota, Iowa, and maybe Northwestern. The other 9 teams I'd say look about right on the number. I could see something like: Penn State (10-2), Oregon (9-3), tOSU (9-3), Illinois (9-3), Indiana (9-3), Iowa (9-3). Who goes and who misses the playoff? ( For example: Penn State loses at Iowa and at Ohio State -- tOSU loses to Texas, at Michigan, and at UW or to Minnesota -- Oregon loses at Penn State, at Iowa, and to Minnesota -- Iowa loses to Minnesota, at USC, and to end the regular season at Nebraska or early at Iowa State -- Indiana loses at Penn State, at Oregon, and at Iowa -- Illinois loses at Indiana, to USC, and to tOSU)

I've always been one to argue recruiting decline sort of gets a bit exaggerated under MH. It's there but I don't put "straightforward decline in recruiting" as a top reason for MH's decline. He got a lot of kids that a lot of top programs were offering. He also had fair numbers with kids rated outside the top 400 (the more "developmental" portion of the classes) turn out ok. What I think was poor under MH was an unusually high percentage of "busts" at the very important top of his classes (Canton Kaumatule, Taj Griffin, Kirk Merrit, Malik Lovette, Jalen Brown, Tyrell Robinson, Travis Jonsen, Thomas Tyner -- for those who want to go there); and, probably an unusually high amount of "bad apples" brought in (Kirk Merrit, Tristen Wallace, Austin Maloata, Fotu Leiato, Torrodney Prevot, Darren Carrington). It could also be argued his last class (2016) was unusually poor, probably poor enough to be marked as concerning. 19 kids and 2 JCs. It only had 3 high school "four stars", Dillon Mitchell of course was very good, the highest rated commit Bryon Young didn't really impact until his senior year, and Tristen Wallace, a guy who managed to get expelled twice before completing his first year at Oregon. Other than Herbert, Dye, and possibly Breeze, not a bunch else. What I remember hearing over the MH era, was he got stuck with sort of a tough hand in recruiting with a pretty old and established staff, who no longer were willing to do much traveling and/or recruiting (traveling being more important for recruiting back then). Greatwood always got his guys; but, beyond that I had heard that Erik Chinander and at times Helf himself were forced to do much of the legwork. To the point of letting Helf go, just one year of 4-8 while giving up 41.4 points per game (126 out of 128) arguably was enough. The defensive highlight of the season was probably holding Utah to 28 points. Allowed 70 to UW, 52 to Cal, 52 to Stanford, 51 to WSU, 45 to USC, 41 to Colorado. That is after finishing 116 out of 128 the year prior. That is not so much a disturbing trend, as it is fall off a cliff. The first MH and Aliotti year (2013) was fine: 20.5 ppg allowed (I recall it was agreed after Chip left NA only wanted to hang around one more year, but wasn't he only like 60 when he left?). My last recollection is one that usually provides some bit of controversy, the name Todd Orlando. 42 year old Todd Orlando had just completed his first season at Utah State finishing #7 in the country giving up 17.1 ppg (replacing Dave Aranda who had moved to Wisconsin). That was after two solid seasons as DC at not exactly football powerhouse Florida International (actually under then HC Mario Cristobal). Orlando was considered a hot name very interested in the Oregon job. Rumors were a belief Orlando would have been a poor fit with Oregon's veteran defensive staff (among others). Now Orlando is controversial because he is most known for eventually flaming out at DC at Texas then USC. However, back then he was a rising name. His defense was strong the next year at Utah State, he moved to Houston where he had a couple good years, then had a good first year at Texas in 2017, before thing started slipping (57th in ppg in 2018 and 65th in 2019 before being fired). He was also known then to run a defense similar to what NA was running in 2013, so the switch wouldn't have been dramatic. Evidence maybe it wouldn't have been a huge "grand slam" hire; but, arguably much better than the 23.6 ppg, 37.5 ppg, and 41.4 ppg slide under DP and Hoke (not even mentioning the 296 yards and 5 TDs rushing and 538 total yards and 42 points given up in the 2015 NC game). Might have even saved MH's job.

Yikes, let's hope not. Since the current Beaver Stadium at Penn State was built in 1960 (in part out of reassembled remains from the old Beaver Stadium built in 1909), Penn State has never given up 45 points at home. Actually, in Penn State's 129 year football history, it has never given up 45 points to an opponent while playing at home. And I am being a bit silly. Penn State has given up 44 at home twice in its history, both recently (Nebraska in 2017 and tOSU in 2022). 🙂 Still, over 40 points may be a tough ask at Penn State. I believe in 30 out of the last 50 seasons, no opponents scored over 30 points in Beaver Stadium all season. I count 5 opponents over 40 since 1960.

Since, 1994 overall, home, and away records (bowls and neutral site games in "away"). LSU (1994-2024): Overall: 279-114-1 (0.708) Home: 171-43 (0.799) Away: 108-71-1 (0.600) Penn State (1994-2024): Overall: 269-121 (0.690) Home: 162-46 (0.779) Away: 107-75 (0.588) Ohio State (1994-2024): Overall: 320-67 (0.827) Home: 192-22 (0.897) Away: 128-45 (0.740) Oregon (1994-2024): Overall: 285-107 (0.727) Home: 170-31 (0.846) Away: 115-76 (0.602) LSU is winning 19.9% more often in Death Valley, Penn State 19.1% at Beaver Stadium, tOSU 15.7% better in Columbus, and Oregon 24.4% better at Autzen.

It certainly can be hard to keep up. I had thought Aston Cozart was at SMU. Cozart so far, a redshirt season at Oregon, then to SMU where he caught one pass in 4 games, and now off to Kentucky, which brought in five portal WRs for the fall (two of the five being on their 3rd school). The QB expected to be throwing to this group (Zach Calzada) himself being on his forth school (Texas A&M, Auburn, Incarnate Word, and now Kentucky).

Looks like at least 40 former Ducks are set on different rosters. From the looks of what appears to be a pretty decent (and usually up-to-date) depth chart site (OurLads), it looks like 14 former Ducks are projected to start and 15 more are listed as second team (though on July 1st it is still early). Projected to start: Dante Dowdell (RB) - Kentucky Emar'rion Wilson (OLB) - Baylor Keith Brown (LB) - WSU Keanu Williams (DL) - UCLA Robby Ashford (QB) - Wake Forest Cole Martin (NB) - UCLA Jaylin Davies (CB) - Oklahoma State Kris Hudson (WR) - Arizona Michael Wooten (OL) - Arizona Avante Dickerson (CB) - Arkansas State Khamari Terrell (CB) - Texas State Brandon Buckner (DE) - Middle Tenn. State Kodi DeCambra (S) - UNLV Luke Dunne (P) - UW Projected second team back-ups: Ben Roberts (DT) - Michigan State Tyler Turner (S) - Baylor Terrell Tilmon (OLB) - Texas Tech Jaylan Jeffers (LT) - UCLA MyKeil Gardner (DL) - ASU Shaq McRoy (OL) - Arkansas Jaxson Jones (DE) - Utah Jabril McNeill (DE) - Troy Johan Miller (OL) - UTSA Johnny Bowens lll (DL) - UTSA Jaron-Keawe Sagapolutele (QB) - Cal Tevita Pome'e (DL) - Oregon State Sir Mells (DT) - Georgia State Daymond David (S) - Akron Collin Gill (S) - Charlotte Projected third team back-ups: Rodrick Pleasant (CB) - UCLA Jalen Moore (DL) - Pittsburgh Harrison Taggart (LB) - Cal Projected forth team back-ups: Ty Thompson (TE) - Tulane Not listed on current depth-chart: Aston Cozart (WR) - Kentucky Byron Cardwell (RB) - San Diego State Justin Flowe (LB) - UNLV Logan Sagapolu (OL) - UW Colson Brenner (LS) - WSU Dropped down a division: Darren Barkins (CB) - Cal Poly Grant Meadows (K) - Portland State

Wait, I thought Ted was a Husky? [ Sorry I could not resist ]

Hard to not disagree. It is sort of the nature of the balancing act in college football at QB? If the point is, getting down to the #4 QB is so unlikely it never matters, then I would tend to disagree. If the point is, if we get down to the #4 QB and we are probably screwed anyway, I would tend to agree. One only needs to back to 2007 and again in 2008 (and a nod could be given to 2015), to find the point. In 2007, Dixon famously went down at Arizona and turned to Leaf, who also got banged up. Heading into UCLA, Leaf tried to go but left early in the game due to injury. On to #3 Cody Kempt. Kempt proceeded to perhaps have the third worse line at QB (in a meaningful game) in modern Duck history: 6-23 for 52 yards with 0 TDs and 2 picks. The Ducks turned in the second half to #4 QB Justin Roper who went to have probably the second worst QB line (in a meaningful game) in modern Duck history: 1-5 for 8 yards with 1 pick and sacked twice. Oregon, averaging 41 ppg and 506 yards of offense, was the first team UCLA (5-5) shut out in 22 years 0-16, holding Oregon to 148 total yards on 78 plays (yes less than 2 ypp). This wasn't exactly a footnote kind of outcome as Oregon entered the UCLA game still #9 in the nation. In 2008, Oregon started the year 3-0 but Justin Roper hurt his knee late at at Purdue. Oregon turned to Masoli, who actually looked largely in control and Oregon jumped out and looked very solid handling what turned out to be a 12-1 Boise State team. Mosoli gets knocked out with a penalized hit that is absolutely (and still is) avaliable on YouTube and was really just plain poor stuff. Oregon turns to Chris Harper, a very highly touted young QB recruit from Kansas at the time, who goes on to have perhaps the worse QB line in a meaningful game for a modern Oregon QB with 0-3 for 0 yards and 2 picks and a sack. Oregon then turns to #4 QB Darron Thomas (who plays pretty well but can't quite lead a comeback with a pick at 3:47 left really helping seal the deal - it could be argued however having a #4 with a pulse that day actually almost brought a comeback against a very good team). I give 2015 an honerable mention as Oregon entered the season with 2 QBs and a rFR (Mahalak) and a tFR (Jonsen). Adams starts but gets hurt at Michigan State. Lockie manages the next game against a not so hot FCS team in Georgia State team (6-7) and Adams returns. Adams gets knocked out at half in the bowl game with a HUGE 0-31 lead and Lockie proves absolutely ineffective in moving the ball (at all - even alittle) and TCU roars back from down and completes in OT what I believe was the biggest comeback in bowl history at the time. His second half (and OT) line is 7-15 for 36 yards and 0 TDs and O ints. Lockie manages one 17 yard completion on the day so the rest of his line is 6-14 for 19 yards or about 3 yards per completion. Oregon had at that time a #3 and decided not to use him when Lockie was absolutely struggling. It had two freshman, one with a year in the system, and wouldn't give either a chance despite the game collapsing, on that day, having a #3, let alone a #4, was absolutely was a thing.

A few years back I think the NCAA added the "Collision Rule" (8-7) which made nearly any significant contact at the plate by the baserunner to the catcher above the waist an out, unless the player is clearly sliding toward the base. The rule basically defines contact above the waste as an illegal attempt to dislodge the ball. As SmithRiver points out, I think if tagged out, there would have been obstruction. Taking a quick look at 8-7, there doesn't seem to be anything covering if the act of obstructing directly leads to a runner contacting the catcher above the waist (so I guess replay looked first to the runner having responsibility to approach the catcher in a full slide, not starting a slide, I don't know?). I guess now in this situation a player must potentially take the out and hope for obstruction rather than risk hitting the catcher up high. Tough to teacher a player to do. Sort of reminds me of the early years of targeting in football where players just had to learn they could no longer do certain things? Even if the catcher is doing it wrong, the baserunner needs to first make sure they won't contact up high (which I'd agree isn't always easy when a catcher is crouching down to try for a tag).