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Cristobal’s Problem? It’s the Oregon Fans!

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I have gone from a non-fan to a die hard fan and all that happened in the Kelly years... a die hard fan that writes for this website. After a loss like like the one suffered last Saturday I find the need to detox myself and get some perspective and then I realize that all my internet activity is Oregon Ducks related or history, news, or board games. 

 

I find myself in the similar spot Charles, I find myself frustrated because the product on the field isn't terribly interesting from an offensive stand point. The defense being bend but don't break or just bend until breaking is kinda run of the mill for Oregon so it has to be a truly powerful lock-down defense for me to get excited about it. 

 

This Oregon team has kinda needed a loss like this to be a kick in the pants to get them to wake up... but I really do find that the players might wake up a little bit.. but the changes really need to come from the top. The offense needs an overhaul, it needs to be a modern offense. 

 

At the end of last year I did write an open letter to Mario Cristobal. I feel what I wrote then is still valid today. I don't think I will lose interest in the team, it has kinda become a hobby that has dominated my free time. 

 

I don't think getting rid of MC is the answer... because if not MC then who? No one should be making comparisons with ANY coach to Saban. Saban is an anomaly at this sport. Though MC really does need to get introspective and determine what needs to change is him. 

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Interesting discussion on the brand of Oregon Football, and the rebranding under Cristobal. Nicknames and acronyms are synonymous with branding and define the importance of what something is.

 

Oregon has generally been defined by the word innovation. We innovated with our facilities, our uniforms and the way we play football. We even innovate the way we celebrate between 3rd and 4th quarters.

 

I think all this innovation has helped enable Cristobal to recruit as effectively as he has. He is just taking advantage of what has come before, and done it like no other. Kids want to be like DAT, just ask multiple players, Seven and others. QB's want to be like Marcus, and Justin, just ask any of the qb's. They want to improve upon the past, and we want the same.

 

In the past our hurry up offense became the blur. Now our offense has begun to get the nickname the prevent offense (PO), and the outcome described as Ducked again, sad.

 

Exciting players, like Donte Thornton, aren't being highlight, just sitting idle. We are accepting mediocrity at qb, since when? This is something that killed Helfrich, Oregon always has elite talent at qb, but now they sit on the bench. It isn't just our offense, it is the players who play it, and the leadership of it.

 

It is time to again innovate, while bringing the best, most exciting talent to the field. Did DAT sit on the bench as a freshman?  There is still time, but until then, Cristobal risks redefining Oregon Football's offense as the PO, and that is Pissing Off too many fans.

 

Fans can define the Oregon Duck Football Program through wins and losses, but what really defines it is the legacy left behind. That legacy is often the nicknames and acronyms which the fans and the nation begin to adopt. What is that going to be under Cristobal?

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It seems to me that after "slick" Willie Taggart implemented the "Buckle Up" offense, Mario forgot to unbuckle the offense.

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On 10/4/2021 at 9:48 AM, Haywarduck said:

That legacy is often the nicknames and acronyms which the fans and the nation begin to adopt. What is that going to be under Cristobal?

 

Right now the "Prevent-Offense" label seems to be the most appropriate!  I am trying to remember who to credit for that...
 

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Maybe the one I suggested is not such a good one to be remembered for...

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On 10/4/2021 at 10:35 AM, nw777b said:

It seems to me that after "slick" Willie Taggart implemented the "Buckle Up" offense, Mario forgot to unbuckle the offense.

The Taggart era cleaned the slate at Oregon. He got rid of the entire staff and in the process did bring us Cristobal. In the process Oregon lost so much institutional knowledge. 

 

Just think if Cristobal was on the staff during the Helfrich years and he was apart of the Oregon blur offense and then he ascended to head coach after that, would he have a different take on the offense? 

 

Taggart's offense was Taggart's offense, when he left he took his offense with him. He called the plays and it was his thing, for better or worse. There was far too much freedom in the institutional void of Oregon at the time that Cristobal really could choose what we wanted the offense to look like, espeically when his OC was still Arroyo, who hasn't done well offensively at UNLV. 

 

Not sure if things would be different... but it's worth thinking about. 

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I don't disagree with you Charles, but for the sake of discussion, OC Morehead was absent. Wasn't the play calling worse than usual?

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Although the press/outsiders are not allowed to view practices, if the QB competition is close, then I am hoping Cristobal and Moorehead have seen enough of average at best QB play and give Ty the start and the first half vs Cal. If he fails, then give AB or Butterfield the second half.

This is the perfect opportunity to show head coach leadership. Plus AB admitted how bad he played, so a change shouldn’t come as much of a surprise to him.

 
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On 10/4/2021 at 11:28 AM, DanLduck said:

I don't disagree with you Charles, but for the sake of discussion, OC Morehead was absent. Wasn't the play calling worse than usual?

The play calling seemed ok from my PoV but the execution was lacking. 

 

I also firmly believe a QB change wasn't even on the table for considerations because Moorhead wasn't there. Not that it would have been considered anyways... but just my 2 cents there. 

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On 10/4/2021 at 11:28 AM, DanLduck said:

I don't disagree with you Charles, but for the sake of discussion, OC Morehead was absent. Wasn't the play calling worse than usual?

 

It was play-calling not intended to score 45 points, but in the realm of what Cristobal does to just win the game--it seemed fine.  If Brown pitches the ball to Verdell at the end of the first half--we are up 14 at the end and it is all moot.  That was not the play-call but a player blunder, IMHO.

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On 10/4/2021 at 12:33 PM, Charles Fischer said:

 

It was play-calling not intended to score 45 points, but in the realm of what Cristobal does to just win the game--it seemed fine.  If Brown pitches the ball to Verdell at the end of the first half--we are up 14 at the end and it is all moot.  That was not the play-call but a player blunder, IMHO.

orr.... we kicked a field goal... 

 

we really needed to finish the first half with a one score game. 

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On 10/4/2021 at 10:46 AM, Charles Fischer said:

Right now the "Prevent-Offense" label seems to be the most appropriate!  I am trying to remember who to credit for that...

 

How could I forget?!  It was OBD Moderator 30Duck who coined that phrase and it is a very accurate one!

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On 10/4/2021 at 1:29 PM, David Marsh said:

we really needed to finish the first half with a one score game. 

 

I was shouting, "Kick the field goal!" it was 3 points, we have the momentum, and get the ball to start the 2nd half. B 3 more points would have been nice at the end.

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On 10/4/2021 at 1:54 PM, 30Duck said:

3 more points would have been nice at the end.

 

Yep.  Being 10 points up would have made it all moot.  We can blame the coaches, but they called a great play and Brown blew it.

 

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On 10/4/2021 at 9:18 AM, 1Ducker1 said:

I wonder what the attitude in the locker room is?

I can take a guess.  All season long, they have been burned by QBs who can throw the ball, even though this team has better receivers, except for Ohio St. 

 

They are getting tired of being more talented at most positions, but not playing up to the level of their talent.  The good ones just want to be successful at their positions and move on to the pros.  The mediocre ones want to end their football careers as well as they can, then go get a job somewhere. 

 

Sooner or later, they are all going to mentally and emotionally 'check out' and not be into it anymore.  They came here to win, not to lose to unranked teams. 

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On 10/4/2021 at 3:07 PM, oregon112 said:

Sooner or later, they are all going to mentally and emotionally 'check out' and not be into it anymore. 

 

I don't think that is true unless they lose a bunch more games they shouldn't.  This could be the "wake-up call" to the players and coaches that changes everything!

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On 10/4/2021 at 2:00 PM, Charles Fischer said:

 

Yep.  Being 10 points up would have made it all moot.  We can blame the coaches, but they called a great play and Brown blew it.

 

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A great play would have been a play action pass in the end zone.  Or a sweep to the far side.  Or even a QB under center with DJ as a full back and RB dive over the top - that play always gets a yard. 

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On 10/4/2021 at 10:35 AM, nw777b said:

It seems to me that after "slick" Willie Taggart implemented the "Buckle Up" offense, Mario forgot to unbuckle the offense.

 

I'm ready for the Lane Kiffen - get your popcorn ready offense!  Go look at all the points his team scores this year and last and he has his QB in the Heisman race. 

 

"Can you live with Mario’s flaws?"

 

I thought I could...   if he hired the right coordinators.  But I keep the seeing the same ultra-conservative stuff on both offense and defense. 

 

"Is Mario the ONLY one who can recruit at Oregon"

 

No.  The snake could do it.  Chip could get players -  some of them lacked 'stars', but the ones he got could play college football.  Belloti had good players - look at that 2007 team - it was full of beasts and they had speed. 

 

It is One in Ten-Million…

Cristobal doesn't need to be that 1 in 10 million guy.  All he has to do is let his coordinators do their jobs and get out of the way.  But he can't do that. 

 

When Ty did not come in the game for even one series...   it deflated all my hopes and dreams.  

 

When that game went into overtime -- who here did not already KNOW  what the outcome was going to be???

 

ANSWER:  McKee was going to throw a TD pass and Brown was going to throw incompletes - or tuck it and run for 2 yds. 

 

WHEN THERE ARE 3 BACKUPS WHO CAN THROW BETTER THAN BROWN AND BROWN CANNOT COMPLETE A DOWNFIELD THROW,  AND SAID BACKUPS DON'T GET IN THE GAME, YOU KNOW CRISTOBAL JUST WANTS TO RUN HIS BRAND OF FOOTBALL -  which doesn't work anymore in the two thousand and twenties. 

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On 10/4/2021 at 3:10 PM, Charles Fischer said:

 

I don't think that is true unless they lose a bunch more games they shouldn't.  This could be the "wake-up call" to the players and coaches that changes everything!

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The wakeup call should have been the Fresno St game.  A team full of 4 and 5 star players barely beating a Mtn West team at home. 

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On 10/4/2021 at 3:33 PM, oregon112 said:

A team full of 4 and 5 star players barely beating a Mtn West team at home. 

 

It was a wake-up call to the fans, but not MC unfortunately.  Oregon had 57 players signed in the prior four years that were Rivals 4/5-Star players.  Fresno had 1, yes ONE.  Now granted--they did well in the portal, but your point about the talent discrepancy is on point, IMHO.

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112, love the post!  In particular about the recruiting. Chip just didn't like it, and we saw that he didn't need a galaxy of stars to make his offense work. Frost didn't think recruiting was possible at Oregon, and he's actually showing that it really isn't possible for him at Nebraska either.

 

But, I think another Coach who was willing to put in the effort, connect with the kids, use social media could keep the recruiting in the same area as Mario has it, and might actually have a plan to use the 4 and 5 stars on the field and not just on the recruiting lists. 

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On 10/4/2021 at 3:39 PM, Charles Fischer said:

 

It was a wake-up call to the fans, but not MC unfortunately.  Oregon had 57 players signed in the prior four years that were Rivals 4/5-Star players.  Fresno had 1, yes ONE.  Now granted--they did well in the portal, but your point about the talent discrepancy is on point, IMHO.

Wow. In the private sector an exec or foreman would be fired. Im not ready to have him fired just yet but that is an incredible stat. Talking about doing less with more, He needs to open his ears and eyes.

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I think there's a whole lot of hyper-emotional over-reaction going on here.

 

The comments have gone from, after the Ohio State game, Mario is a genius CEO who out-coached the Buckeyes, to...

 

Well, he's a terrible coach, but he sure can recruit, to...

 

We don't even need good recruits because...reasons.

 

There are quite a few reasons to criticize Mario, but I know he's infinitely smarter about football than me.

 

 

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Like many of you I have been watching duck football for decades. I can’t remember being as frustrated as I was Saturday. The play calling hasn’t been good since MC arrived and I have seen no improvement. I hear week after week what an offensive genius Joe Moorhead is. Either I have a different definition of genius or MC is not allowing him to call the game. Maybe a bigger problem is the discipline/composure. Penalty after penalty game after game.

 

Yelling at other teams coaches, ridiculously yelling and throwing a temper tantrum at a player on tv. These are all composure issues. You can’t win at football or life if your going to lose it when things don’t go your way. I watch year after year MC recruiting all of these tremendously talented kids and then I can’t even find them on the field. Either they don’t play at all or they simply aren’t involved. One of the great passers in duck history had to run the ball in order to eek out a Rose bowl victory.

 

Three things need to change if we are ever going to get back to playoff runs. First you need to get your talent the ball. Second you have to have the right point guard/quarterback to get it to them. Third you need to get discipline and composure back on the field with everyone including coaches. Can it happen? Of course. But there has to be a willingness to change. I haven’t seen it yet. 

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On 10/4/2021 at 8:39 PM, BBS said:

But there has to be a willingness to change. I haven’t seen it yet. 

 

And THAT is what many of us fear...

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On 10/4/2021 at 9:42 AM, David Marsh said:

I have gone from a non-fan to a die hard fan and all that happened in the Kelly years... a die hard fan that writes for this website. After a loss like like the one suffered last Saturday I find the need to detox myself and get some perspective and then I realize that all my internet activity is Oregon Ducks related or history, news, or board games. 

 

I find myself in the similar spot Charles, I find myself frustrated because the product on the field isn't terribly interesting from an offensive stand point. The defense being bend but don't break or just bend until breaking is kinda run of the mill for Oregon so it has to be a truly powerful lock-down defense for me to get excited about it. 

 

This Oregon team has kinda needed a loss like this to be a kick in the pants to get them to wake up... but I really do find that the players might wake up a little bit.. but the changes really need to come from the top. The offense needs an overhaul, it needs to be a modern offense. 

 

At the end of last year I did write an open letter to Mario Cristobal. I feel what I wrote then is still valid today. I don't think I will lose interest in the team, it has kinda become a hobby that has dominated my free time. 

 

I don't think getting rid of MC is the answer... because if not MC then who? No one should be making comparisons with ANY coach to Saban. Saban is an anomaly at this sport. Though MC really does need to get introspective and determine what needs to change is him. 

 

Outside of this, I just want to know when Dog will catch that Laundrie guy.  I don't have any other internet interests other than checking the surf

report. 

 

As for giving up on being emotionally connected to the team, I gave up on the Blazers long ago when Brandon Roy hogged the ball.  I lost interest and never cared again. 

 

I am on the verge of not caring about Oregon football because of how they are coached.  I watch other pac12 games on a free site, and I see teams that are set up to play competitive college football. 

 

This is four years in a row that I have felt that way.  This offense is like 4 yrs of Brady Hoke defense. 

 

When I saw the end of the game when Az St was taking it to UCLA, I was thinking - we would lose to them too. 

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