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Lanning? A HUGE Gamble.

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On 12/11/2021 at 5:36 PM, Charles Fischer said:

 

The jump from OC or DC to head coach is quite normal in both college and the NFL...I mean, where do the head coaches come from?  If you only hire head coaches...eventually they all die!  😆  Then what?

 

Chip Kelly was OC...not at a big school, but New Hampshire before Oregon.  Rich Brooks had been position coaches in the NFL and a DC at Oregon State, but never had a head coaching gig before Oregon hired him. Kirby Smart was a DC at Alabama before being the HC at Georgia, and Dabo Swinney was the Wide Receiver Coach at Clemson before being elevated!  Ryan Day was OC before becoming HC at Ohio State, and that about covers a number of the top programs.

 

I see your concerns, but when a star shines so bright...the next step up is inevitable, and the question is...with which team is it going to be with?

 

If you are going to hire an assistant why not a guy from the SEC? A guy who has one heck of D this season. A guy let down vs Bama because Smart never put Daniels in the game. Smart also screwed up with the manner in which he mishandled Justin Fields.

 

I would be very happy with tis hire and even more happy if he brings UGA OC Todd Monken with him.

 

Start Daniels? If so, I think UGA defeats Michigan and then wins the rematch vs Bama.

 

The guy is not only an outstanding D coach but unlike Chip he can recruit.

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On 12/11/2021 at 3:16 PM, GODUCKS15 said:

Apparently it does. 

Time will tell the story. His success will be measured in wins and losses. Im not happy about it but Im not unhappy about it. I learned my lesson with Taggert.

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Guessing reason that GA was willing to pay him $1.8M is that he is somebody in the elite category of their profession. Like that he is young and will come in fired up with plenty of energy. Smart and can recruit. Nice combination. I am in on this hire. I think we upgraded.

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Lanning is a bold decision and is not without risk but he was the right choice.

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Great hire. We'll see the impact immediately with the early signing period. Hiring a top notch OC with in game management skills who recruits well makes this a home run!

 

Gotta believe guys like Sewell and Flowe are whooping it up right now.

 

Great to be a Duck. Let the good times roll!

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I'm excited about this hire, I think he has potential to be a great head coach and I think this is the speech @webfootfan was referencing.

 

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Not many coaches are even considered for the Broyles award. Doesn’t happen by dumb luck. There is substance to this hire.
 

I think there may be some growing pains, but overall I am satisfied. People smarter than me were directly involved in the hiring process, and I trust their judgement. 
 

We are not starting a 20 year downward spiral. I was attending the U of O during a time that could be described like that in the late seventies and early eighties. Trust me, this is different.
 

 

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On 12/11/2021 at 1:51 PM, Muskrat said:

Gotta say it. To gamble on a first time head coach at this time, with a program at this level? Crazy gamble. And if it goes poorly? Start the twenty year downward spiral. It’s not like he spent the last three years under Nick Saban. If this is real it’s crazy scary. It creates no buzz. Just hope and prayers. And what about offense? We’ll never see another 5-star on quarterback visiting our campus again. I’ll always be a duck lifer, but usc, osu, ucla and Washington are all drooling and hoping this is real. They’re ready to party if Monday comes and this is true. 

 

Cheer up. This is the best hire. Strong character. Great recruiter. Great teacher. Best person for the job. If Phil and Rob had sold their souls to win a championship by hiring Meyers, I would have had to become a Beav. I could have gotten behind Kiffin as I think he's grown up. Meyers has too many fingers poking around in public where they don't belong, among other shortcomings.

 

Aranda may have been a good hire too, but maybe he didn't want to leave Baylor. Lanning won't be afraid to hire a top-notch OC with an exciting scheme and will stay out of his way. I see an excited team and an excited fan base as well as ticket sales going up. Could it go wrong? Sure, but taking risks is what makes things tick. It's great to be a Duck again!  

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Love seeing this program take a gamble again. We aren't settling for coaches, this is a gamble and I love it!

 

Oregon is about taking gambles, with enthusiasm and gratefulness. This guy epitomizes this mentality, Go Ducks

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Great hire! I'd imagine guys like Noah Sewell, Justin Flowe, Keith Brown, etc. would agree. Lanning is a defensive guru. Look at GA's opponents scores over the 3 years he has been the DC. Hire a good OC coordinator and this is a home run hire. Watch the recruiting class regain traction in the coming days for immediate verification.

 

Bring on the Jim's & Joes, cause Lanning knows X's & O's!

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I certainly don't understand any negative feeling about this hire. It seems top-notch. Very exciting.

 

Could I have been happy with a shot at returning to past glory? Yes, but as a last resort. The past is almost impossible to recreate and definitely no more guaranteed than the unknown future.

 

Was lots of talk this week about Oregon being a stepping stone. Where have all our coaches left for?  Cristobal-Alma Mater, Taggart-"Dream Job", Chip-NFL. It's not as if Nebraska called out of the blue and stole our coach.  The last school I saw stoned was Oklahoma as Lincoln Riley went flying off to the land of palm trees. Oregon HC is one of the most desirable jobs in college football and will remain so at least as long as Phil Knight is alive.

 

This season was the queasiest roller coaster I've ever been on. Aside from winning and being a decent human being, I'm hoping our new coach will also start us on some continuity. I want to get, "Ho hum another year with boring old Nick Saban" type comfortable. The pressure to win a Natty every year that exists in the SEC does not happen here. The pressure won't be the same. We understand that eeeevery once in awhile we'll have to settle for a lousy old Rose Bowl in a year where it isn't part of the national playoff. The biggest problem we'll face if salaries keep skyrocketing as they are.

 

Wondering what sort of Christmas presents we'll be receiving on the offensive side of the ball. I'm very excited. Gotta have something to look forward too. Basketball season is apparently already over..................

 

 

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On 12/11/2021 at 1:51 PM, Muskrat said:

Gotta say it. To gamble on a first time head coach at this time, with a program at this level? Crazy gamble. And if it goes poorly? Start the twenty year downward spiral. It’s not like he spent the last three years under Nick Saban. If this is real it’s crazy scary. It creates no buzz. Just hope and prayers. And what about offense? We’ll never see another 5-star on quarterback visiting our campus again. I’ll always be a duck lifer, but usc, osu, ucla and Washington are all drooling and hoping this is real. They’re ready to party if Monday comes and this is true. 

I think Lanning is the exact guy you wanted the whole time. You wanted Chip to come back, but Lanning is just Chip the first time. Lanning is that hot innovative assistant, with no experience, taking over a program ready to roll. 

 

We have to look at who we got, not who we didn't get. We got a high character guy, the players will love, fans will love, and can coach. The only problem with this guy is I don't see the downside.

 

There might even be an amazing early Christmas gift, our offense back! He is our Oregon Coach, it is time to get behind him, and stay there until there is something to be critical about, nothing yet!

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On 12/11/2021 at 4:43 PM, Haywarduck said:

I think Lanning is the exact guy you wanted the whole time. You wanted Chip to come back, but Lanning is just Chip the first time. Lanning is that hot innovative assistant, with no experience, taking over a program ready to roll. 

 

We have to look at who we got, not who we didn't get. We got a high character guy, the players will love, fans will love, and can coach. The only problem with this guy is I don't see the downside.

 

There might even be an amazing early Christmas gift, our offense back! He is our Oregon Coach, it is time to get behind him, and stay there until there is something to be critical about, nothing yet!

That all may be true but I wouldnt expect results for at least 2 years. New coaches new players new systems -growing pains. I suppose that would be true with any coach we hired though.

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We play Ga next year and if this guy can keep us in the game with less than a blowout -Then I will be impressed.

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On 12/11/2021 at 2:14 PM, 1Ducker1 said:

IMO a top 15 School like Oregon shouldnt have a problem hiring a proven head coach.

I'm sure our AD had options with nyumerous head coaches, even a couple from the SEC.  We weren't in the room during interviews, we don't have the options to evaluate potential coaches  those making the decisions do.  Would you be happy with head coaches  Wilcox, Kelly, Harsin, or UW's choice?  It may be a gamble, but it's a big name and a splash, and that's what present day Oregon tries to do.  It will play well with recruits, it will intially play well with fans, and if he recruits well like Cristobal did, he can't be a worse game day coach.  I think this is a gamble well worth taking.  It will be fun to watch.

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I have a lot of respect for Wilcox but I think this is a much better hire. This will continue Oregon down the path of being the toughest team in the Pac 12. Also, I don't think Chip was the answer for this particular team. I think hiring an assistant from Georgia or Alabama was actually the safest move. As much as I like Matt Campbell I'm not sure he continues down the path of making Oregon the most physical team in the Pac 12 like Dan Lanning does.

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Not that my opinion makes a difference, but I am good with the hire. Splashy? Big name?? No, but I'm not so sure hiring a head coach from another big name program is a great idea. Calling Kevin Sumlin! Seems to me if things are great, they would stay and if they were great their school would want them to stay. Going home is a nice story MC, but how many coaches going back to their previous school or alma mater have turned out awesome? Taggert? Frost?? Harbaugh??? (6 years to get Michigan to the playoff is not a success in my book).

 

I have watched recruiting over the years and it seems to me you have two choices. Be so good that no matter your age, they want to play for you or be young, talk their talk, and get them excited. Oregon is not in a position to get the former and anyone who thinks we can pull Sweeney or Urban Meyer is delusional. The latter comes with the danger of them having success and leaving for another job. I don't place Taggert or Cristobal in this category.  Their rep got them their next supposed upgrade. I would be shocked that if Lanning is a long term hire. He has too much upside and has so much time to grow.

 

I do think that this is the future of college football. That means the administration needs to have a "program" in place. I think we are close. Lots of kids say we are their dream school which to me says if Oregon stays on top of where their coaches stand, we can make a shift to a new one without losing too much momentum. I don't think Mullens has us in this position, but maybe he will learn. Or maybe not, but we did get Lanning fairly quickly considering.

 

In the mean time, perhaps we should change our end of 3rd quarter song from "Shout" to this:

RIP Michael Nesmith

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    I'll wait for judgment on Lanning until I see how he fills out his staff. The OC is going to be very important. I agree it is a huge gamble. He has energy and can recruit, much like Cristobal.... What worries me most is that he is getting a lot of credit for Georgia's defense being ranked #1 in the country.

 

     If he was some master at reading offensive sets and then calling the correct counter I could understand the optimism. Perhaps a great defensive genius. Unfortunately that isn't the case.

 

    Georgia basically realized that they had the talent to line up man for man and use very basic defensive formations. This works very well against the run and with super talented defensive lineman who can get after the QB it can stifle the passing game as well. It also allows a lot of rotation of secondary players helping create massive depth all over the field on defense. It's not a bad game plan, it does however run into problems when you line up against a top 20 passing team with an O line capable of holding back the pass rush. See vs Alabama this year and Florida Last year.

 

Georgia has only played one top 20 passing team all year and that was Alabama. I expect Leach will have a field day with Georgia when he gets the opportunity.

 

  National passing ranks for teams Georgia has played this year: 103,91,96,104,73,57,72,39,65,55,95, and 7. Their lone loss was to the 7. My prediction they handily beat Michigan (Passing offense ranked 67) and then lose to Alabama for a second time.

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On 12/11/2021 at 3:16 PM, GODUCKS15 said:

Apparently it does. 

I just can’t join you in this perspective.
 

Smart’s hiring at GA and Day’s at OSU are proof of this.  You think either school had to ‘settle’ for less than they wanted?  Or Notre Dame this cycle either (you don’t think Fickle would have turned them down)?

 

There was no real splashy name to be hired at this point in the year.  That is the reality of hiring late in the process.  
 

if they had hired Wilcox or Kelly then I would conclude that either your point is exactly right or the hiring group had a total failure of imagination. 
 

Let me ask this a different way.  You think Lanning was going to take a HC job at just any school?   In many ways, Oregon’s ability to land him says a lot about the status of the opportunity and job.  

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I like what I've seen so far. (Not much!) After watching the video linked, did anyone else think he sorta looks like a bulldog?

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On 12/11/2021 at 4:58 PM, 47sgs said:

I'm sure our AD had options with nyumerous head coaches, even a couple from the SEC.  We weren't in the room during interviews, we don't have the options to evaluate potential coaches  those making the decisions do.  Would you be happy with head coaches  Wilcox, Kelly, Harsin, or UW's choice?  It may be a gamble, but it's a big name and a splash, and that's what present day Oregon tries to do.  It will play well with recruits, it will intially play well with fans, and if he recruits well like Cristobal did, he can't be a worse game day coach.  I think this is a gamble well worth taking.  It will be fun to watch.

#1 the average fan has never heard of the fellow, #2 I wouldnt be happy with those choices. #3 its not a big name to most fans. #4 I expect that within 3 to 4 years we could have a NC quality team. But its going to take time and I will be patient.

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On 12/11/2021 at 2:12 PM, Muskrat said:

How many first time head coaches have made it to the CFP or took their 1st program to the National title game? Ohhh. I can think of one. 
The difference between being a DC or OC and a head coach at this level is real. Nobody knows how he would do. Total gamble and looks like another 3-year crash and burn. How many mistakes can we make and still have talent look at Oregon seriously. 

Uhhhh Lincoln Riley

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On 12/11/2021 at 8:34 PM, Duckology said:

    I'll wait for judgment on Lanning until I see how he fills out his staff. The OC is going to be very important. I agree it is a huge gamble. He has energy and can recruit, much like Cristobal.... What worries me most is that he is getting a lot of credit for Georgia's defense being ranked #1 in the country.

 

     If he was some master at reading offensive sets and then calling the correct counter I could understand the optimism. Perhaps a great defensive genius. Unfortunately that isn't the case.

 

    Georgia basically realized that they had the talent to line up man for man and use very basic defensive formations. This works very well against the run and with super talented defensive lineman who can get after the QB it can stifle the passing game as well. It also allows a lot of rotation of secondary players helping create massive depth all over the field on defense. It's not a bad game plan, it does however run into problems when you line up against a top 20 passing team with an O line capable of holding back the pass rush. See vs Alabama this year and Florida Last year.

 

Georgia has only played one top 20 passing team all year and that was Alabama. I expect Leach will have a field day with Georgia when he gets the opportunity.

 

  National passing ranks for teams Georgia has played this year: 103,91,96,104,73,57,72,39,65,55,95, and 7. Their lone loss was to the 7. My prediction they handily beat Michigan (Passing offense ranked 67) and then lose to Alabama for a second time.

Leach already had the opportunity last season and Georgia won while also missing some key defensive starters for that game. You got a great coach in Lanning and it pains me to say that as I would have loved to have kept him in Athens. With the resources Oregon provides, this will be a home run hire.

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Sorry. Double post.

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On 12/11/2021 at 8:19 PM, NWA72 said:

Leach already had the opportunity last season and Georgia won 

That was Leache's first year and his passing offense was ranked 20th.... It was a close game. This year he has the passing game up to 3rd in the nation. He will blow the doors off Georgia next year. Same reason they lost badly to Florida last year.

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