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Believe it, Duck Fans: USC Is for Real

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On 2/16/2022 at 11:01 AM, Jon Joseph said:

? 1 season when Watson was hurt, Clemson lost at Syracuse, made and won the playoff. A number of Clemson ACC games have ended in 1 score games. Line the top 12 ACC teams up in a theoretical matchup with the Pac-12 and who do you think would come out on top? UCLA got a COVID break last season not having to play NC State. Instead of losing to Miami, WAZZU lost to Central Michigan. Clemson last season lost against Pitt, NC State and Georgia. 

 

The ACC in CFB is a deeper and better conference than is the Pac-12.

Watson never lost to Syracuse . . . but did lose to Pitt. Starting in 2015, Clemson's margin of victory averaged near 20. When T. Lawrence took over for three years, Clemson's margin of victory was 30 points in 2 of 3 years. The ACC conference wasn't challenging Clemson, with the exception of spirited efforts from Syracuse/Pitt who would never be confused with a full-powered USC.

 

I'm not comparing the strength of the P12 to the ACC, just stating that the ACC is weak relative to Clemson, and provided zero resistance to Clemson since 2015. But, I will entertain your hypothetical and even assume you're right that the ACC is stronger than the P12. Being stronger than the P12 does NOT = STRONG.

 

I am bigger, faster, and stronger than my 6-year old son, but that does not make me big, fast, or strong. I'm an out-of-shape, middle-aged man that would hardly be described, at the moment, as those things. 

 

Two questions: 1) Where was Clemson's USC during their run starting in 2015? (Clemson rose when FSU faded), and 2) Is Dabo praying that Miami/FSU return to their former glory because it will help Clemson? 

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On 2/16/2022 at 11:20 AM, Axel said:

Excellent points.

 

A dominant Oregon would be the darling of the West Coast and get a lot of bandwagon love from the East Coast "experts" who commonly pay more attention to teams east of the Rockies.

 

The future success of the Ducks will depend on how well Lanning & Co. recruit and coach, and even more importantly, on how well the Ducks perform on the field. Whether the Pac-12 is perceived as weak or strong will be a secondary consideration. If the Ducks can dominate, they will get their invites to the College Football Playoff. 

 

In short, the destiny of the Ducks is in their own hands. And for the record, I'd rather boat-race USC than beat them with a 55-yard field goal that grazes the crossbar and plops over it as time expires. 

I agree with all these points.

 

Oregon needs to separate itself further from the PAC; not hope for the gap to close.

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On 2/16/2022 at 1:56 PM, cartm25 said:

Watson never lost to Syracuse . . . but did lose to Pitt. Starting in 2015, Clemson's margin of victory averaged near 20. When T. Lawrence took over for three years, Clemson's margin of victory was 30 points in 2 of 3 years. The ACC conference wasn't challenging Clemson, with the exception of spirited efforts from Syracuse/Pitt who would never be confused with a full-powered USC.

 

I'm not comparing the strength of the P12 to the ACC, just stating that the ACC is weak relative to Clemson, and provided zero resistance to Clemson since 2015. But, I will entertain your hypothetical and even assume you're right that the ACC is stronger than the P12. Being stronger than the P12 does NOT = STRONG.

 

I am bigger, faster, and stronger than my 6-year old son, but that does not make me big, fast, or strong. I'm an out-of-shape, middle-aged man that would hardly be described, at the moment, as those things. 

 

Two questions: 1) Where was Clemson's USC during their run starting in 2015? (Clemson rose when FSU faded), and 2) Is Dabo praying that Miami/FSU return to their former glory because it will help Clemson? 

Thanks for the great reply. Who was the Clemson QB who was hurt when the Tigers lost at Syracuse? I could have sworn it was Watson?

 

Being stronger than the Pac-12 does not = strong; AMEN! 

 

I don't think Dabo is praying for tougher competition but I believe the Pac-12 commissioner is doing so? I love the Ducks but Oregon has ZERO CFB championships and 1 Heisman winner. The Blue Blood in the conference is USC. Oregon rose when SC faded but not to the level of winning playoff titles.

 

Does SC have to be good for Oregon to make the playoff? Heck no. Any P5 team that goes 13-0 is in the playoff.

 

Does Oregon have to recruit DL guys like Clemson to win a championship? Looking at the PO winners to date, this seems to be the case.

 

Does SC have to be good for the conference to score better media deals? I have to answer this question with a 'Yes.' Along with, conference teams playing better in their OOC and bowl games would not hurt the cause.

 

Again. great points + great reply. From experience I can advise you that sooner than you think possible, that 6 year old little guy will be bigger, faster and stronger than Dad.

 

 

 

 

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On 2/16/2022 at 12:41 PM, Jon Joseph said:

Thanks for the great reply. Who was the Clemson QB who was hurt when the Tigers lost at Syracuse? I could have sworn it was Watson?

 

Being stronger than the Pac-12 does not = strong; AMEN! 

 

I don't think Dabo is praying for tougher competition but I believe the Pac-12 commissioner is doing so? I love the Ducks but Oregon has ZERO CFB championships and 1 Heisman winner. The Blue Blood in the conference is USC. Oregon rose when SC faded but not to the level of winning playoff titles.

 

Does SC have to be good for Oregon to make the playoff? Heck no. Any P5 team that goes 13-0 is in the playoff.

 

Does Oregon have to recruit DL guys like Clemson to win a championship? Looking at the PO winners to date, this seems to be the case.

 

Does SC have to be good for the conference to score better media deals? I have to answer this question with a 'Yes.' Along with, conference teams playing better in their OOC and bowl games would not hurt the cause.

 

Again. great points + great reply. From experience I can advise you that sooner than you think possible, that 6 year old little guy will be bigger, faster and stronger than Dad.

 

 

 

 

ESPN says the QB was Kelly Bryant. Ha, kind of easy to forget about him in between Watson and Lawrence; I sure forgot about him until a looked it up.

 

I'm with you. I love the Ducks, too. And I've painfully watched enough times as a strong USC or Stanford team has ruined the Ducks' path to a Natty. Not because those teams were necessarily better teams if played best out of 5, but they had the better day.

 

I can think of two years vividly (I think two years in a row, as well; 2011 and 2012) when USC and Stanford were the roadblock to another NC birth. Both games involved a kicker missing very important kicks . . . I'll whisper his name so as not to trigger PTSD: "Maldonado"

 

Everything you said is well-stated and accurate. I would only add that all those statements can be accurate AND, at the same time under the circumstances (i.e., a CFP format that excludes 90% of teams after a single loss), that a powerful USC has a disproportionally negative impact specific to the Ducks and their CFP chances, recruiting, etc.

 

Another way of putting it, the CFP format essentially requires perfection (near perfection for SEC) to be included. 4 of 65 P5 schools make it. Under these conditions, I want the Ducks to have the best recruiting, coaching, etc. in the P12, even if there's no left-overs for the other P12 schools.  

 

If tomorrow there were a 12-team CFP with auto-bids for P5 conference champs then the entire paradigm shifts for me. Perfection isn't required, regular season development is rewarded, the margin for error increases along with hope. I'd welcome a more entertaining and competitive conference.

 

Who am I kidding? I'd still want the Ducks to crush all competition, but I think you get my drift. While the current CFP setup is so "All-or-Nothing", I want the Ducks to have it all and not share.

 

Re: my boy. I know he'll be faster than me soon. I'm hoping "old-man strength" will keep me stronger for some time. Bigger/Size? Are we talking height or weight? Because if it's weight, then I'll probably hold him off longer than you think. 🤣

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