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In its most simple terms it is this, Oregon State and Washington State claim the actions of the Pac-12 and Commissioner George Kliavkoff in response to members announcing their intent to leave the conference in 2024 show those departing schools relinquished their rights to decide the long-term future of the league and forfeit the “goodies.” And, would no longer have voting rights. All ten of the escapees announced they would leave August 1, 2024 at the end of many current Pac12 agreements. The receiving conferences all announced the new members would join August 2, 2024. The “court” felt the parties indicating their effective date was irrelevant. That, the action was triggered on the date it was announced. Period, end of sentence. As Charles says, this flies in the face of the programs continuing to operate in the Pac12 and provide conference championship activities in which OSU and WSU participated and acknowledged those other programs were 2024 champions. In retrospect, the escapees should have all been bastards and announced their departures August 1, 2024. Rumors would have proliferated. Columnists would have run out of ink. OSU and WSU partisans would have stomped and cried over the obvious mean spiritedness. So, in effect for giving notice, OSU/WSU have become the Pig-2 in Charles terms, and he is correct.

"Another OD...Seems to be a lot of names floating around this one..." Well, how many of those names float if the salary is similar to the $400K that Oregon just signed Locklyn? That didn't last long. If Oregon is willing to pay up, it should have been thinking about it in February when they signed Locklyn to an extension.

Can you win with transfers? Yes, or no? Here are the men's Final Four teams, with their top 5 average scorers this season, and where they came from: Purdue: 4 of 5 started careers at Purdue U Conn: 3 of 5 started careers at UConn Alabama: 1 of 5 started career at Alabama NC State: 0 of 5 started career at NC State Every NC State top 5 scorer is a transfer from somewhere else. Of Alabama's 4 from elsewhere, Aaron Estrada went from St. Peters to Oregon to Hofstra to Alabama.

Apparently Big 12 commissioner Brent Yormark will celebrate his "conference is the best in college basketball" by having a retreat for all the teams in Cancun?

Well, I would just like to see both of them use the available funds to pay off debt very very quickly. Future budgets depend not only upon revenue, but minimizing expenses. They should not want to carry annual debt service, such as for the stadium remodel, into a future with more limited revenue. In OSU's case, I would like to see them repay the $10M they requested from the Legislature. If they need to put some money into coach/staff retention, that also seems operationally wise in a 5-year planning horizon. Likewise, paying the visitor fees for any Power 4 opponents they can attract to Corvallis or Pullman to help keep the fans engaged. If either have niche sports such as OSU baseball, lay some money there. That would be good for both fan retention, and some polish on an overall dimming resume. Obviously need to keep a chunk of funds in reserve. In the State of Oregon, OSU athletics requested way more funding support from the State than did Oregon. There were operational reasons and OSU limitations that required that, so why not have a reserve to cover that going forward?

His new salary at Oregon for 2024 and 2025 is $400K. If he voluntarily left before April 1, 2024 his buyout would be $800K. If he leaves after April 1, 2024, his buyout drops to $400K. Yes, April 1, 2024, not 2025. OSU was paying the guy that just left $775K. Don't expect any news before April 1.

Pac-12 survival: Tallying the cash available to Washington State and Oregon State for rebuilding the conference SPORTS360AZ.COM <p> The process required eight months, a lawsuit, a negotiated settlement, clarity from the College Football Playoff, readings and re-readings of the Rose Bowl contract, an entire basketball...

2024 - Florida vs Miami and Florida State; Bama on the road vs Wisconsin; Texas on the road vs. Michigan; Georgia vs Clemson and an improving Georgia Tech; Mississippi State at ASU; LSU vs USC and UCLA; and A+M vs Notre Dame. Texas plays Ohio State in 2025 and 2026. Bama plays Ohio State in 2027 and 2028. Oklahoma plays Michigan in 2025 and 2026 before Michigan plays the return game in 2027 vs. Texas. Most of those are in the same Time Zone which seems to be a big factor for the top SEC teams. LSU at USC, MSU at ASU are not same time zone. Kudos to Miss State - it's not the first time they've gone on the road. LSU has played Oregon 4 times: 2--1 at home, 1-0 neutral. All in the same Time Zone.

Thom...it's not like Mullens needs suggestions. Schools in the SEC at the top of their pyramid do not want to travel that many time zones. It's why they would rather have a one-off "neutral site" game in Atlanta or New Orleans. Maybe, perhaps, possibly if Oregon became the consistently top team in the B1G you might pry them out and into a home-and-home, but otherwise the two-to-tango dance won't include the SEC.

As I recall, Bronny's "final 3" were USC, Ohio State and Oregon. He would be well advised to take at least one more year in college. Wonder what he'll do? USC: new coach undetermined OSU: Jake Diebler, a 2024 promoted assistant after Chris Holtmann fired

Pac12 coaching turnover Washington – fires Mike Hopkins , hires Danny Sprinkle Stanford – fires Jerod Haase, hires Kyle Smith WSU – Smith resigns, heads to Stanford USC – Andy Enfield leaves for SMU Enfield third longest tenured coach behind Boyle and Altman.

In addition to 9 B1G games, USC is currently scheduled to play: 2025: Ole Miss, Georgia Southern, at Notre Dame 2026: Fresno St, at Ole Miss, Notre Dame Ole Miss 2026: at Charlotte, USC, Georgia State, Eastern Kentucky - and 8 SEC teams Ole Miss 2027: Oregon State Ole Miss 2030: at Oregon State - anybody think that won't become a buyout?

Thanks for all the comments. As I said, I think both Oregon and Os have more to gain by playing non-conference teams from Utah, Arizona, Texas going forward than they do from playing each other. It would help both in recruiting because an intra-state game in Oregon which has low, and diminishing, numbers of Div I athletes wouldn't help much. I think it will continue to be very difficult to get SEC teams to travel (which might enhance recruiting in Florida or Georgia.) So, to paraphrase Willie Sutton, go where the "money" is, which would be Big12 non-conference opponents in Texas, Arizona, Utah.

There is sentiment that the Ducks and Beavers should play every season due to rivalry/tradition, but lately I'm not so sure. Set aside for a moment the 2024 scheduling fiasco, and the Pac2 money grab which shouldn't be rewarded, because there is another reason. That reason is schedule variation and recruiting. Let's compare two Big Ten teams that each play 9 conference games. Here are their last 10 seasons and their primary non-conference opponent: Ohio State: Notre Dame, Notre Dame, Oregon, Cincinnati, TCU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma, Va Tech, Va Tech, Cal Iowa: Iowa State, ISU, ISU, ISU, ISU, ISU, ISU, ISU, ISU, ISU - a couple of those years they also played Pitt ISU also plays 9 conference games in the Big12. Which of those 3 do you think gets more mileage in recruiting outside their home state from their schedule? Wouldn't both Oregon and Oregon State benefit by playing someone else, and elsewhere? Oregon State may have Cali games with opponents in the Mt. West, but wouldn't they be better off for recruiting by attempting to schedule Arizona, ASU, Utah, fuskies, etc. instead of Oregon every year? Likewise, shouldn't Oregon be scheduling teams from Texas, Utah, Arizona rather than OSU? Perhaps a Ducks/Beavers game every 5 years?

https://www.scribd.com/document/717350657/Pac-12-settlement-agreement#from_embed The link does include some "black out sections." About 15 pages, plus the signature pages.

My guess is that the 10 escapees thought they had it covered when they announced their departures would be effective August 1, 2024. The B1G and others announced the new members would join August 2, 2024. Judge Gary Libey threw a wrench in it when he agreed with OSU/WSU that the date of announcement, not the effective date, is what matters. In retrospect, the escapees should have let rumors flourish for months until finally "announcing" on August 1, 2024? Can you imagine the "public angst" from OSU/WSU who then would complain the escapees waited until the last second to give notice? Perhaps in "Libey World" a landlord who receive a notice of departure from a renter six months in advance should no longer expect to have an enforceable contract with the renter because the renter has given advance notice?

The way OSU/WSU have legally taken the pants down of the 10 departing schools I can't imagine a scenario where the attorneys for those two allow the conference to disband/dissolve before fiscal 2026. After the end of fiscal 2026, if the conference is still in existence OSU/WSU get everything. If it dissolves before then, they would have to share any remaining assets on a pro-rata basis. "Remaining assets" could mean, for example, OSU/WSU sell off the Pac12 Network and time it as such to avoid sharing the proceeds. Read the Sportico link I posted above.

Perhaps the skip should be for six years... Pac-12 to Keep $65+ Million From Exiting Schools in Settlement WWW.SPORTICO.COM The Pac-12 has reached a settlement between its remaining and departing members over how they'll split league revenue and future income.

More of the details from today... Pac-12 to Keep $65+ Million From Exiting Schools in Settlement WWW.SPORTICO.COM The Pac-12 has reached a settlement between its remaining and departing members over how they'll split league revenue and future income.

Oops, I'm not sure much of that post was new news? See this from December... Ten Departing Pac-12 Schools Will Pay a Portion for Potential Legal Liabilities - Sports Illustrated Cal Bears News, Analysis and More WWW.SI.COM The majority of 2023-24 Pac-12 revenue will be distributed equally among the 12 schools

The settlement agreement between the 10 departing schools and the Pac-2 has been signed, per a source. Oregon State and Washington State will withhold $50 million of distributions from departing schools in this fiscal year ($5M per school) and collect a payment another $1.5M per school.

I think I read somewhere that assistants are limited to two-year contracts...so when the first year expires, the extension can only be for one-year to keep the two-year window. (University or State policy?) On the other hand, I think Lupoi, Hampton and Lorig have 2-year extensions through the 2026 season, and Stein had a 1 year that takes him through 2026. The contracts include varying percentages of "buy-out" depending upon if the individual is fired. Not sure what happens if the head coach leaves? Do the staff get buyouts for a decision that was not of the university's doing because any new coach would want his own staff?

This was in Wilner's column on March 23... "Arizona defeated Dayton on Saturday, pushing the unit count to 10 and $20 million. That said, the NCAA revenue is contingent on Pac-12 survival. If the conference dissolves or if it becomes a different legal entity, a source said, the revenue earned this month from the Tournament will revert to the 12 current schools, regardless of future conference affiliations. Also, any additional members of the Pac-12 — if we assume WSU and OSU pursue expansion in some form — might attempt to negotiate access to a portion of the NCAA units. And it’s unclear how the CFP would handle revenue distributions if a Pac-8 or Pac-10 were to emerge in a few years, with schools from the Mountain West or other conferences." Me, today...this is why I think OSU/WSU will continue the charade of being Pac12 as long as they can...it's for the money. Not just whatever the 2024 Tournament pays out over the next 6 years, but also the money from Tournaments prior to 2024 which are still being paid out. I read an estimate somewhere that those prior Tournament's payout will be around $50 million cumulative over the next five years.

Gregg had also considered Arizona, Oregon, Oregon State, Cal, Colorado, USC, Utah, Tennessee, Indiana, Virginia Tech, St. Mary's, Louisville, Eastern Washington, Princeton, Portland and Texas. He was able to graduate and enroll at Gonzaga early. The decision wasn't a surprise, since Gregg told PrepHoops in 2018 that Gonzaga was his "dream school." Ben Gregg was born in Spokane, where his father coached a high school girls' team before moving to Portland in 2008 to coach the Warner Pacific women's team (Ben was 6 years old) Gonzaga actually didn't offer until fairly late, but Gregg was anxiously willing to wait. Arizona was probably his No. 2. He's been playing this season with a lot of injuries https://archive.ph/FM3d2

When Alabama goes to Madison in 2024, it will mark just the fourth time an SEC team has played at Camp Randall Stadium and the first since Sept. 25, 1971, when LSU defeated the Badgers, 38-28. The other two SEC games at Camp Randall were in 1928 (win over Alabama, Nov. 3) and 1931 (Oct. 10 tie with Auburn).