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There is sentiment that the Ducks and Beavers should play every season due to rivalry/tradition, but lately I'm not so sure. Set aside for a moment the 2024 scheduling fiasco, and the Pac2 money grab which shouldn't be rewarded, because there is another reason. That reason is schedule variation and recruiting. Let's compare two Big Ten teams that each play 9 conference games. Here are their last 10 seasons and their primary non-conference opponent: Ohio State: Notre Dame, Notre Dame, Oregon, Cincinnati, TCU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma, Va Tech, Va Tech, Cal Iowa: Iowa State, ISU, ISU, ISU, ISU, ISU, ISU, ISU, ISU, ISU - a couple of those years they also played Pitt ISU also plays 9 conference games in the Big12. Which of those 3 do you think gets more mileage in recruiting outside their home state from their schedule? Wouldn't both Oregon and Oregon State benefit by playing someone else, and elsewhere? Oregon State may have Cali games with opponents in the Mt. West, but wouldn't they be better off for recruiting by attempting to schedule Arizona, ASU, Utah, fuskies, etc. instead of Oregon every year? Likewise, shouldn't Oregon be scheduling teams from Texas, Utah, Arizona rather than OSU? Perhaps a Ducks/Beavers game every 5 years?

https://www.scribd.com/document/717350657/Pac-12-settlement-agreement#from_embed The link does include some "black out sections." About 15 pages, plus the signature pages.

My guess is that the 10 escapees thought they had it covered when they announced their departures would be effective August 1, 2024. The B1G and others announced the new members would join August 2, 2024. Judge Gary Libey threw a wrench in it when he agreed with OSU/WSU that the date of announcement, not the effective date, is what matters. In retrospect, the escapees should have let rumors flourish for months until finally "announcing" on August 1, 2024? Can you imagine the "public angst" from OSU/WSU who then would complain the escapees waited until the last second to give notice? Perhaps in "Libey World" a landlord who receive a notice of departure from a renter six months in advance should no longer expect to have an enforceable contract with the renter because the renter has given advance notice?

The way OSU/WSU have legally taken the pants down of the 10 departing schools I can't imagine a scenario where the attorneys for those two allow the conference to disband/dissolve before fiscal 2026. After the end of fiscal 2026, if the conference is still in existence OSU/WSU get everything. If it dissolves before then, they would have to share any remaining assets on a pro-rata basis. "Remaining assets" could mean, for example, OSU/WSU sell off the Pac12 Network and time it as such to avoid sharing the proceeds. Read the Sportico link I posted above.

Perhaps the skip should be for six years... Pac-12 to Keep $65+ Million From Exiting Schools in Settlement WWW.SPORTICO.COM The Pac-12 has reached a settlement between its remaining and departing members over how they'll split league revenue and future income.

More of the details from today... Pac-12 to Keep $65+ Million From Exiting Schools in Settlement WWW.SPORTICO.COM The Pac-12 has reached a settlement between its remaining and departing members over how they'll split league revenue and future income.

Oops, I'm not sure much of that post was new news? See this from December... Ten Departing Pac-12 Schools Will Pay a Portion for Potential Legal Liabilities - Sports Illustrated Cal Bears News, Analysis and More WWW.SI.COM The majority of 2023-24 Pac-12 revenue will be distributed equally among the 12 schools

The settlement agreement between the 10 departing schools and the Pac-2 has been signed, per a source. Oregon State and Washington State will withhold $50 million of distributions from departing schools in this fiscal year ($5M per school) and collect a payment another $1.5M per school.

I think I read somewhere that assistants are limited to two-year contracts...so when the first year expires, the extension can only be for one-year to keep the two-year window. (University or State policy?) On the other hand, I think Lupoi, Hampton and Lorig have 2-year extensions through the 2026 season, and Stein had a 1 year that takes him through 2026. The contracts include varying percentages of "buy-out" depending upon if the individual is fired. Not sure what happens if the head coach leaves? Do the staff get buyouts for a decision that was not of the university's doing because any new coach would want his own staff?

This was in Wilner's column on March 23... "Arizona defeated Dayton on Saturday, pushing the unit count to 10 and $20 million. That said, the NCAA revenue is contingent on Pac-12 survival. If the conference dissolves or if it becomes a different legal entity, a source said, the revenue earned this month from the Tournament will revert to the 12 current schools, regardless of future conference affiliations. Also, any additional members of the Pac-12 — if we assume WSU and OSU pursue expansion in some form — might attempt to negotiate access to a portion of the NCAA units. And it’s unclear how the CFP would handle revenue distributions if a Pac-8 or Pac-10 were to emerge in a few years, with schools from the Mountain West or other conferences." Me, today...this is why I think OSU/WSU will continue the charade of being Pac12 as long as they can...it's for the money. Not just whatever the 2024 Tournament pays out over the next 6 years, but also the money from Tournaments prior to 2024 which are still being paid out. I read an estimate somewhere that those prior Tournament's payout will be around $50 million cumulative over the next five years.

Gregg had also considered Arizona, Oregon, Oregon State, Cal, Colorado, USC, Utah, Tennessee, Indiana, Virginia Tech, St. Mary's, Louisville, Eastern Washington, Princeton, Portland and Texas. He was able to graduate and enroll at Gonzaga early. The decision wasn't a surprise, since Gregg told PrepHoops in 2018 that Gonzaga was his "dream school." Ben Gregg was born in Spokane, where his father coached a high school girls' team before moving to Portland in 2008 to coach the Warner Pacific women's team (Ben was 6 years old) Gonzaga actually didn't offer until fairly late, but Gregg was anxiously willing to wait. Arizona was probably his No. 2. He's been playing this season with a lot of injuries https://archive.ph/FM3d2

When Alabama goes to Madison in 2024, it will mark just the fourth time an SEC team has played at Camp Randall Stadium and the first since Sept. 25, 1971, when LSU defeated the Badgers, 38-28. The other two SEC games at Camp Randall were in 1928 (win over Alabama, Nov. 3) and 1931 (Oct. 10 tie with Auburn).

Speaking of the dance, the SEC had 8 teams selected and play 18 conference games - not 20. And, like in football their strength of schedule is helped by having SEC teams ranked - because they have the rankings bias that is modeled after football.

OSU/WSU crying on their way to the bank. NCAA allocation for 2024 Tournament now up to $14 million to the Pac2(12)...payable over six year period. Since the money is given to a "conference" not sure what happens if a conference disbands? Gotta feel'in we're still going to be talkin about a Pac12 for six more years. Any more wins starting with WSU tonight, means another $2M each. With $14M, that's $2.3M/year split 2-ways for six years. Not sure where the money is headed that is still being paid from the last 5-6 Tournaments? If it's being deposited into the Pac2(12) acct, it may or may not be shared more than 2 ways?

Colorado now has 25 wins this season. That is the most single season wins in the entire history of their program. And, the Ducks beat them in the Pac12 Tournament Championship.

"No member shall deliver a notice of withdrawal to the Conference in the period beginning on July 24, 2011, and ending on August 1, 2024" Well apparently, the emphasis fell on the word "deliver" which none of the first 8 escapees grasped. They all gave notice to be "effective August 1, 2024" and the recipient conferences issued press releases that new teams were joining "effective August 1". It's akin to a renter telling the landlord that she is getting married in six months and will be moving out after six months. Neither the renter or the landlord expect any change in financial arrangements until the move-out date arrives. I suppose in retrospect, the 8 should have let rumors magnify and fly around for months all the while claiming, "we're proud members of the Pac12", then bingo bango bongo issue press releases on August 1 that they no longer want to be. Commissioner George K could have been even more frozen in media negotiations for several more months not knowing whether he was representing 12 or 10 or 8 or 2?

Women's tournament announcement today 5:00 pm on ESPN.

And, by the way, the women's tournament also pays "units." In recent years they have been worth around $340K. Six or seven Pac teams in which hands some more money to OSU and WSU, and the deeper run they make, the more money sent to Corvallis and Pullman. It's like a former spouse taking alimony and throwing your golf clubs in the river...

Couisnard was at S. Carolina 2019-2022. The first/second round games are at various locations which have nothing to do with the geography. West Region includes opening games in Charlotte and Memphis. WSU gets screwed with a bit. They will be in Omaha to face lower seed Drake from Des Moines, Iowa (130 miles). Then, if win, likely face Iowa State from a short distance (170 miles). At least WSU is playing for its money. Each team in the Tournament automatically qualifies their conference for $2 million. That's $ 8 million that WSU and Beavis will split before a ball is even bounced. Then, any of the four Pac teams winning creates another $2 million for Beavis to split with WSU.

More money for the leeches... UA, WSU, and winner of Oregon/Colorado were going to be in. It will mean more money if Colorado also is in for a total of 4 instead of 3. Though, less than a week ago the popular theory was that the Pac would only get 2 because either UA or WSU would win the Pac tournament. Thus, we circle back to your contention Jon, "what the hell are we doing scheduling OSU next year?" I probably concur. The 10 Pac escapees should let a few years pass and things like this money bag from the NCAA tournament run out before even thinking about scheduling.

Lunardi, early Sunday morning (late Saturday night) 11-seed – Oregon vs Tex Tech in Spokane – Midwest Regional 10-seed – Colorado vs 10-seed TCU in Play-in game, winner then vs Utah St in Indianapolis – South Regional Colorado one of the last four in. Me...there are four "play-in games" which include the last four in, but that's two games. So, there has to be two more games matching "higher seeds." Looking back at prior tournaments those four games include the four 16 seeds and often four of the 11 seeds or 12 seeds. That is why Lunardi's post about his 10-seeds Colorado/TCU was interesting. Thus, whatever the Ducks' seed, 10, 11, 12, the primary hope is they are not assigned to a play in game which would mean fewer days of rest before the first game, and would likely be paired with a game somewhere other than Pacific Time Zone. Better to have a 12 non-play-in, than a 12 play-in.

Most of the pundits say Oregon HAS to win to qualify for the NCAA Tournament. And say, Colorado is a last four in, first four out, type if the Buffs lose. Colorado will play to avoid a first four out status. I wonder how much Oregon has left in the tank after Friday's comeback effort? History of Boyle vs Altman: 3-1 in Pac12 tourney 9-1 in Boulder 3-8 in Eugene Both are the longest tenured current coaches in the conference. Both 14 seasons. Altman has a better overall record but Boyle has the head-to-head record. Next year it is off to the Big12 and BigTen. Hope Altman can get one more vs Boyle, just as he did against Zona.

I think they have to win on Saturday. Not to be a Debbie Downer, but a lot of these conference tournaments have had upsets which puts more "comparables" that the Ducks would have to fend off.

Uh, this math can't be right? Can it? Heather Dinich According to sources, Washington State and Oregon State are expecting to receive $360,000 each per year in the new CFP contract - 1/5 of the $1.8 million Group of 5 schools would make. Historically, they received between $6-7 million per school as members of the Pac-12. and, reaction from Oregon State https://twitter.com/johncanzanobft/status/1768770877955752109

Well, if those numbers add up to 98.8 percent, then the "leftovers" would split 1.2 percent. A 29 percent share split 18 ways would be 1.6 percent each which I presume would be a disincentive to add more members unless the reduced share of CFP was offset by new revenue from regular season media deals that new members above 18 might bring. For example, if Notre Dame joined the conference the 29% would be split 19 ways, but the additional value ND would bring from regular season media contracts would offset that. The UO/UW reduced share applies to a portion but not all B1G revenue. It applies primarily to the regular season B1G media deals. There is annual money above and beyond that, such as money shared from the CFP and bowl games and from the basketball tournament. That is why when Rutgers, Maryland and Nebraska joined with reduced shares they had the option of borrowing against the future revenues....their payback could come from taking reduced money from the "additional money".