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Looks like he ended up at Kansas.

I was thinking a little about this thread and what point exactly I was after? I guess the point was an interesting thought about, who do you trust more, your young guys who haven't shown (much of) anything yet; or, guys who have put a lot on film and deserve that praise, yet, have had an injury to the degree it appears the fans of that program aren't exactly devastated they moved on? And here I mean, not the programs didn't feel bad about the injury and the player ultimately departing; but, rather them accepting it at least in part happened because the injury places the future of the player somewhat in the air. Angilau (I got that right finally) and to a lesser extent Strother both were commits expected to possibly start, if not at least being rotational kind of players. I had at least one of two at least cracking rotation, and both guys essentially were only seen in mop up duty. Neither broke into the rotation and I believe Angilau at least had the chance to patition for another year and has chosen not to. Poncho stepped in instead and played more than a couple of guys with very solid resumes (some of that might have been center but the impression I've gotten is that if the need was at OG, the situation would have played out similarly). What exactly is the line between trusting your young guys and instead bring in a guy to compete with injury questions? Obviously all things being equal both are ok; but, NIL dollars too need to be budgeted (and I have no problem here suggesting those hurt guys need to make their best plays if they are offered). Thoughts? Maybe it was just me wondering?

Yes, my bad. I should edit that but probably the tread won't make sense if I do. Cornelius has been possibly even better than advertised. I was bit pumped way back when I read about Foster but; the injury situation just called for a bit of a pause. Not the kid's fault getting beat up, just what I've read in regards to the player. I think it's interesting (for those familiar), Duck hardcore fanatic (Hyolyth), while absolutely not down on the kid from Indiana, I believe placed both Angilau and Strother ahead of Bedford in tape review. Once again, interesting.

Not trying to stir anything up but his situation sounds a lot like Anjani Cornelius, the Transfer to Oregon Texas (not trying to bang on anyone as I've been a bit surprised this hasn't appeared to this point to be discussed here). Texas loved Cornelius prior to his injury and Foster similar at A&M but both appeared to have major injuries and eventually both programs appeared comfortable rolling the dice letting those guys go. Foster could step in at C and a Poncho and the kid from Indiana could compete for that spot at guard; but, the tea leaves suggest both the injuries to Cornelius and Foster represent a different sort of stumbling block. I recall, way back when, Foster having some interest in Oregon and the HC Cristobal considering it a big recruiting priority. Perhaps a positive, Foster, I believe a very good T&F athlete, was able to complete a season at A&M, prior to hitting the portal. His numbers were a bit off but injury did not stop him from competing. I read the new Texas A&M coach, actually didn't renew Foster's scholarship when he decided to focus on track. Interesting!

That is the one that stuck with me too rather than the refs. I mean, it was an SEC team, going in I think you expect to lose the battle of the calls (maybe not as bad in key spots but even then I never really expected a balanced game). Just going off memory Auburn was something like 9th nationally against the run (and something like 5th or 6th amongst P5 teams) allowing about 109 ypg at 3.4 ypc. (I did look that up). Against the pass they ranked 109th, allowing 259 ypg (something like 53rd out of about 60 P5 teams). Oregon, not exactly known in 2010 as a pass heavy team, does complete 28 passes for 374 yards and 2 TDs against them. At the time, the layoff between the teams ending the season and the Championship I believe was one, if not the longest in modern college football history. Loved just about everything coach Alliotti did game planning. They trusted their back guys and got after Newton and I will suggest to a debatable degree just beat him up (22-19 being being their second lowest output among their 14 games). On offense? It just appeared Kelly doubled down on running against a very good UA defense intent upon selling out taking away James and Barner. Much was left on DT's legs (which to that point in the year had primarily been a "if you don't respect it I will hurt you" versus "now it's in my lap and I need to ** suddenly ** have the wheels to make an elite run defense pay). I would suggest if asked the UA coaches say they watched tape for a month and were willing to take the gamble. Looked this up too, prior to about 1:40 left in the first half, when Oregon opened up to pressing the UA passing defense, Oregon ran 30 offensive plays. Two picks and an incomplete, so basically 27 other plays. 16 rushes for 32 yards and 5 passes to RBs out of the backfield for about 45. That is 21 out of 27 either rushes or drops to the RBs. Only 6 passes to WR and TEs for about 128 yards. Now, a big chunk of that was a pass to Maehl for 81; but, isn't that why to take shots down field? You target 4-5 and get at least one big play out of 5-6? The offense had another successful target to Tuinei out of those 6 throws for 19 yards. Maybe not so bad. What is possibly hard to put into the calculus is how much the early picks by DT effected play calling. Certainly after about 1:40 left in the first half Oregon went ahead and trusted DT to throw the ball. And from an Auburn perspective why not? They stuffed the run and played hit-or-miss all season with their secondary and were in the National Championship game with a lead. Just perhaps seems like the strategy didn't trust a passing game that, if prepared earlier and a bigger part of the plan, might have changed the dynamic (here read, press them with the pass to then open the run). When watching the second half of that game when it got close -- having a the lead in a game that ends up 22-19 looms perhaps larger than a game that turns into a shootout. Jump on them challenging their 109th rated pass defense against a game plan selling out to stop the run? I don't know. When I think of the game my first recollections are Nick Farely beating us up and taking our lunch money (the UA front four all pretty much had a good season). Was the Ducks best option betting against them when their secondary showed through 13 games that regularly susceptible to giving up plays? (And yes this is over a decade later after the fact backseat analysis so I accept that very valid criticism)

Not a starting group but biggest position of need? Back-ups on the OL. Extremely good fortune with the injury bug on the OL and really a pretty tight rotation the whole season. Strother came to the UO with a lot of snaps under his belt but never gained much traction, playing 55 snaps last year, almost half of them in the ASU game. I think he might be the first call at either guard position (but didn't hear much buzz tied to Nishad this spring). I guess the backups at LT and RT are Kawika Rogers who played 96 snaps at RT and George Silva 51 snaps at LT. Charlie Pickard probably is one the two deep at center with 68 snaps and 53 at center (the only other non-starting OL name I can really recalling hearing this spring other than Pickard was Lipe Moala). With 14 games (and at least 7 that were pretty comfortable) that's not a lot of guys getting snaps. Stay healthy guys. It will be interesting to see if anyone breaks into the OL rotation. Gonna be a big portal priority next year as it isn't outside the possibility Poncho is the only returning OL starter. Maybe not the time to think about such things really; but, this will be be a pretty veteran team. It's not entirely crazy to suggest Oregon might return the fewest amount of starters in 2025 I can recall in 30+ years (especially if a couple guys like Stewart and James break out and Conerly decides to test the NFL waters). Maybe something as small as 4 or 5 and even possibly as few as 2 or 3. WR: senior WR: senior WR: junior (but could possibly declare) TE: senior QB: senior RB: junior (but could possibly declare) OL: senior OL: senior OL: sophomore OL: senior OL: junior (but very possibly could declare) DE: senior DT: senior NT: senior EG: sophomore LB: senior LB: senior CB: senior CB: senior* FS: senior SS: senior NB: senior (* Not counting Florence as it sounds like he may not be recovered until into the season)

I got myself in a bit of trouble in a thread a while back and I certainly will own it, I didn't express my thoughts too well. Bo Nix was great at Oregon and when I dabbled in a bit of perhaps criticism, it didn't go well. I've had time to reformulate the thought, so here it goes. When Nix transferred to Oregon, he was borderland out of the draft. He came to Oregon to right the ship. Was he going all of a sudden to make a bunch of NFL throws, dropping balls into windows and throwing guys open. I think that is fair to say unlikely. Ok, but that isn't exactly the only consideration. It's ok I think to suggest Bo arrived at Oregon with both team and personal goals. I've heard the jokes about "Bo Pix"; but, even at Auburn he wasn't a guy who put the ball up in a lot of danger back then, and his interception numbers prior to Oregon weren't that bad. Nix came to Oregon to rehabilitate himself and do what he does well with a fresh start. His path to the NFL was really turning some heads, putting up a huge QBR, a high completion percentage, and not turning the ball over. Minus Washington it was fabulous. Here is where I got in trouble. I think Bo was just programmed to mostly avoid risks. Which worked most of the time; but, to make that final step, occasionally a guy needs to drop a ball in a window or otherwise accept the risk and feel he can make a big throw. To look down field and gamble to make a play. 50-50? Ok. Maybe even 40-60? Ok. But one gives you a chance and the other "what on the world happened?, this never had a decent chance." I do think that was not something mostly on the Nix program. And I respect that; but, I think that was a bit of the difference between the seasons Nix had and the season Penix had. Penix got into those situations and was remarkably successful most of the way. Could Bo have done the same? Absolutely; but, I don't exactly feel he felt free to trust **everything** involved in making such throws and generally didn't decided to roll the dice. There always in such situations a **safer** percentage options that, if it fails, people tend to understand "It's the best odds that was left so it makes sense". Which is ok unless the moment ultimately requires a bit of a play. Akili had it, Joey had it, I think DT and really even Masoli had it, I'm not sure MM really was in that spot to much; but, Justin had it. Justin walked in as a true freshman and felt all day he had the arm to put the ball into windows and risk making a play because he had confidence he could make the throw. Was that Bo? Looking back years from now I certainly feel I may be mistaken. In Gabriel, a different player, where embracing those throws and willing to make them is the calculus different than what was programmed into Nix? I think maybe because the "cost to benefit" ratio is just different. Is a huge NFL throw will be more of a benefit DG than it ever would have been for BN? I will suggest accepting the gamble, maybe be different than Nix. Where here did it get Penix? Obviously well; but, where did it get Nix? Not to bad either. Quite possibly this doesn't make a lot of sense. Go Ducks.

With the transfer portal these days, one never knows who (and when) guys might jump in; but, the three biggest names so far mentioned this spring (McClain, Williams, and Mathews) are all probably players (at least right now), who would be expected to probably spend at least two more seasons in college (with McClain being a case of not being draft eligible for two seasons). My first thoughts on these possible portal additions are for the 2024 season; but, not really too soon to be looking at spots that likely will graduate a lot of guys (cornerback seniors Muhammad, Manning, Alexander, safety seniors Savage, Tysheem Johnson, Brandon Johnson, Reed, DL seniors Branch, Caldwell, Ware-Hudson).

Agree I don't really mean playbook. Right now I'm sure tOSU has a group of coaches, analysts, and staff pouring over every offensive and defensive snap Oregon has ran for at least the last two seasons. They will have viewed and recorded essentially Oregon's offensive playbook and probably will have every play available to be viewed and reviewed at the push of a button. I'd say it's more about understanding what offensively Oregon likes to do down and distance, how it scripts it's plays, what it likes to go to in certain field positions and with certain time on the clock. Obviously personal on both sides of the ball (where the coaching staff feels good, and where it might be concerned -- strengths and weaknesses), audible design and philosophy. Prior to this year obviously signals (and I'm sure there are a series of line of scrimmage signals/calls planned to be used once the helmet communication cuts out, that will require extra attention now). Anything extra you can show or do that requires a team to used it's prep time up, should add up to an advantage. I would say it's one thing to study and try to understand and prepare for a philosophy; and, quite another to have someone who knows it to absolutely confirm things. Not to say it is an insurmountable obstacle, only that it will require work. Was it Ryan Day's primary motivation? I'd agree likely not. However, with much chatter last year his seat might be getting warm, I'm sure having special insight into what has to be considered tOSU's statistically most difficult opponent, can't hurt. Obviously adding Chip who studied and prepared to play Oregon in 2022 is similarly a resource.

My thought is that there is a "structure" to any program's coaching staff; and, Oregon didn't feel the need to blow up that structure to keep the RB coach. I'm certainly not at all affiliated with the Eleven Warriors web site; but, I found it when Oregon was heading to play tOSU it was a decent site. There are at least 2, if not 3 long threads about tOSU's RB coach dating back some time and it is pretty clear Locklyn was not a primarily target in the search. Doesn't really matter except possibly to the point grabbing Locklyn isn't exactly some huge grand slam kind of move. Other coaches pretty much obviously targeted ahead of CL. The real advantage IMO is forcing Oregon to work to scrub anything CL might know from its playbook before the teams face. And I believed Oregon will do that. Some familiarity with the playbook and players won't kill Oregon but it is something for a guy up against it; and, Day might be coming close to that point (others probably will have an opinion there). Just like at DBs, if Oregon grabs a young hotshot recruiter to fill the void and grow into the spot? It very well may not the home run tOSU fans think and Oregon very well may improve in that spot. Not bag on CL as I do think he a good eye for the position; but, is that quite such an asset for a program that doesn't exactly recruit a lot of diamonds into the rough? I read a few of Lanning's comments following the move - and despite everything - I feel pretty good Lanning is playing chess with a bunch of guys playing checkers. If Oregon felt going to bat for it's RB coach was the line, I tend to believe the response might have changed. The fact it didn't? To me suggests Oregon is fairly comforting pivoting.

Interesting. I have caught the names Robert Gillespie (RB coach Alabama), Marquel Blackwell (RB coach South Carolina), Stan Drayton (former Texas run game coordinator and current Temple HC), Tashard Choice (Texas RB coach and former RB under Chip in Philadelphia), Deland McCullough (RB coach ND), Curtis Luper (RB coach Missouri), being mention (after Demarco Murray apparently was interviewed and decided to stay at Oklahoma). Seem to be a lot of names floating around this one.

Team just ran out of gas. Maybe a wild statement (given he wasn't having a big offensive game); but, I think Oregon closes in regulation without the (unfortunate and somewhat freaky) injury to Shelstad. I'm sure to a Creighton fan that very well might sound like sour grapes but I think there are several things Shelstad provides, even in an off shooting night, that closes out that kind of game that weren't easily replaced. Hats off to the guys for playing their hearts out in a very entertaining game.

Really hurts not having your PG out there to go get the ball with 27 seconds left Also an 86 percent FT shooter. Again, ugh!

Announcers just said 12 points on 6 offensive rebounds. Ok, now 14 points on 7 offensive rebounds. There have been a lot of long rebounds on their like 15 three points attempts but still ugh!

I guess we have Spring and another portal to get through; and, I haven't dug into either schedule as of yet; but, it's sort of hard to see UCLA much beyond 3-4 wins and the UW much beyond 5-6. I think a lot of Pac-12 people look at the Northwesterns, Rutgers, Illinois, Indianas, Marylands, and Nebraskas, of the world and think UCLA and the UW are at least enough of a bump ahead of those programs to pencil in a winning record against whatever combination of those B12 teams they end up playing; but, looking at the current state of those programs, recruiting, and guys that are now or are likely to remain on the rosters, I'm now starting to wonder quite a bit?

Illinois returning to Autzen? Ah, memories. (Ok, maybe don't watch the extra point)

College basketball? If I had to guess: It just really isn't the game it used to be; and, I think a lot of those who remember the better product and used to be more hardcore fans, have gradually lost a lot of interest over time, bit by bit. I think it started with the one-and-done guys and has gotten worse with the growth and acceptance of the G league as a viable (and paying) path to the NBA. With the transfer portal opening up things even wider, from what I can tell, it isn't just Oregon that seems to be turning over half its roster each year. Mostly the last several seasons I'm happy if I catch an early game and can recognize 3 or 4 players from the previous year. The teams the Ducks play? Forget about it, I'm surprised to know any of their players, let alone who on their teams are supposed to be good and ones to watch. Recruiting successes like Bol Bol, Kel'el Ware, and Louis King once were a real reason for excitement. In the not entirely distant past, possibly 2-3 seasons with an elite talent that might develop into a star. What did Oregon get from Bol? 9 games and out? Louis King? Came on during the second half of his freshman year and ended up averaging 13.5 ppg, a real reason for excitement the next season, except he was out the door to be undrafted and I think entering season 5 in the G league (ok, to be fair, while being signed and waved by 3 NBA teams, he has played in 27 NBA games). Kel'el Ware even more of a mystery (second highest rated Duck basketball recruit in the "recruiting ranking" period). I picked up a mock NBA draft before the season to see if I recognized anyone listed in the first round, and who do I see, listed around number 20? Former Duck and to be Indiana Hoosier Kel'el Ware. Now, I know how this works, he has interesting size and was highly rated in high school; but, did no one watch his what appeared to be often disinterested 15.8 minutes and 6.6 points per game at Oregon? I mean, if on paper he is one of the top prospects in the college game, where is the college game at? (And not really to bag on the kid too much, I guess he has been better this year at Indiana so far, around 14 ppg and 9 rpg). With conference tournament automatic bids, I think the regular season continues to lose a bit of luster as the quality of play doesn't stand out, and fan can pick it up late in the season. With seemingly fewer and fewer every season power programs and generally arguably more parity, a 15-13 regular season team can go on a run and win a bid over the weekend. As others have mentioned, pick it up towards the end of the season if your team has a shot, if they don't, not a lot was invested in what ends up being a not-so-interesting year (and get ready for a new batch of players next season).

I don't necessarily love the observation; but, it's not holding unless there is a flag. If there isn't a flag, shake the DBs hand and move to the next down. I've always liked Dontae Manning but he is like the opposite of JM, he gets flags for breathing on a guy wrong. An unexpected benefit of JM might be the Jedi training playing along side a guy like JM might help DM. It's not exactly rocket science but when Rodrick Pleasant (a very elite high school sprinter) was asked about fast guys on the Duck team, I believe DM was the first guy he mentioned (along with Tez and Devon J). Maybe a bit interesting.

Yes.

I gotcha. It's just so hard not to be intrigued by 6-6.

What does the DL look like, especially the interior? Ware-Hudson has played a fair amount over the years and the veteran log jam up front seems to have cleared up a bit for him. Do Ben Roberts and/or A'Mauri Washington flash? Where does Blake Purchase fit in? Really all the young DL. I saw Breland, Rushing, Sims, Grey, and Jones all listed as early enrollees (didn't see JJ listed). What's happening at FS? I think Savage looks more like a BS candidate (though that could be in error). Right now I believe on paper DeCambra and Gill are currently the top two listed FS (and neither has really played). Does somebody get moved or tried out there in the spring? In Florence, Manning, Reed, Laulu, Pleasant, Austin, Davis, plus the two incoming freshman Fields and Obidegwu all of a sudden there seem to be a number of good young CBs. Aaron Flowers also will be an early enrollee. His film sort of shows him playing all over the secondary, does he start at FS? Not as much jumps out on offense. I guess maybe the open guard spot. Does Bedford show up and claim the spot right away? Does Strother (and his 30 career starts prior to UO) push for a role? Hopeful Kasper has a good spring and maybe gets on the field a bit more next fall.

Really a bit wild and unexpected. It will be an interesting follow to see how things turn out. On paper, unless the spring portal brings in some high profile guys, a guy leaving a lot of rFR snaps as a Duck -- possibly starting reps -- on the table. I wonder if there is a missing piece that fans, as of now, are unaware? No clue what that would be though.

Pulling for Alabama and Texas. What a strange day indeed.

In 6 seasons (four at Oregon and two at Miami) how many coordinators has Mario ran through? Leavitt, Avalos, De Ruyter, Arroyo, Morehead, Gattis, Steele, Dawson, Guidry? So, not a single coordinator that has lasted longer than two seasons? So, I went back to Florida International and looked at there coordinators while MC was there (2007-2012) and I found: 2007 OC: James Coley DC: Phil Galiano 2008 OC: Bill Legg DC: Phil Galiano 2009 OC: Bill Legg DC: Phil Galiano 2010 OC: Scott Satterfield DC: Geoff Collins 2011 OC: Scott Satterfield DC: Todd Orlando 2012 OC: Tim Cramsey DC: Todd Orlando So, 12 seasons as HC, I'm detecting a pattern. Three thoughts. 1. Only one coordinator who survived over two seasons with Mario. 2. How long will it be in MC's coaching career will it be before he has another coordinator that lasts three years? Anyone betting on Dawson or Guidry right now? 3. Who is this Phil Galiano and how did he survive three seasons with Mario? I guess he was a grad assistant at Rutgers in 2003 when Mario was there coaching OL. Apparently FIU wasn't too great on D in 2007, made significant improvements in 2008, and fell back in 2009 and his contract wasn't renewed. In 23 years coaching he has had 14 stops, and currently is special team consultant to the New Orleans Saints special teams coach Darren Rizzi. Looking at his bio, surviving three years as a coordinator with Mario possibly is a bullet point. It would be interesting to get Coley, Legg, Galiano, Satterfield, Collins, Orlando, Cramsey, Arroyo, Moorhead, Avalos, De Ruyter, Gattis, Steele (and probably eventually Dawson and Guidry) all in a room and see how many might agree with Leavitt? It's certainly fair if one is uncomfortable with how things turned out at USF for Leavitt (as well possibly fair to mention USF paid him a $2.75 million dollar settlement and he went on to be hired 6 more times in his coaching career, I don't really know). Also, 95-57 career record and 3-2 in bowls as a head coach (Mario is 74-73 and 3-4 in bowls). Leavitt is said to have started the USF program from the back of a van and went 95-57 (and was reportedly offered jobs at Alabama and Kansas State). I've read when Mario arrived at FIU, it was a program a lot like operating out of the back of a van, and he went 27-47 and was fired (and took five years to be hired as HC again).

(Peyton Bowen) who I believe went on to play in every game for Oklahoma and ended up second team freshman All-American on many lists (33 tackles, one sack, five pass breakups, one forced fumble, one QB hurry, and two blocked punts). Win-some-lose-some I suppose.