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I think Lanning had Malchow doing prep for the portal. I'd guess they have a list of players the Lanning have a good connection to as a recruit but they didn't choose UGA. I'd bet if those kids pop up in the portal then Lanning will go after them. I'd guess that would apply to all the staff, if they got to know the kid and he hits the portal get back on him. This means they already know the type of kid the player is and had connections with him. Charles has made the point to me and I agree - the new rule of having to honor the transfer players Scholly comes into effect. If you take a portal kid and he is a head case or can't play - you can't yank is Scholly. You own keeping his Scholly until he is done. So you can't take the wrong kids - blue-chips with bad Tudes are a huge risk.

You're welcome.

I stand corrected and surprised that Malzahn had given up his play calling duties. Thanks for educating me on that one and the work you put into researching to do so.

Great point about players leaving where they have coaching turnover. The portal is crazy this year and we could see close to 30 players leaving between those who move on to NFL and hit the portal.

I have a long end of season recap defensive analysis article done and being reviewed by Charles. As you all know Charles and I wrote quite few defense analysis articles as the season progressed, and we spent lots of time putting our heads together. We were at FishDuck were the first Oregon Ducks media to reveal the Bend-But-Don't-Break-Redux in the Cover-2 Lanning had committed to for the season. When Charles is done with editing it to see if I missed anything or he has some key points to add, then he will schedule it. Charles has put in a lot of work along we me on the defense and two heads have been better than one. I want to thank him in advance for the time spent sharing his keen insight and thoughts - he's made my articles better. Since there seems to be an interest for an article that looks for the answers of why we had the worst statistical defense since the 2016 season under DC Brady Hoke - I'm gueesing Charles will give heads up to you all on the publish date.

Your cherry picked stats grossly lack context in multiple ways and your facts aren't straight either. Speaking of Stats - lanning has the worst defensive stats since 2016 at Oregon. Should we fire him? Malzhan always calls his plays - its not about "trust' as you put it. All good! I'm more than happy to the correct facts for you. So. Miss was 1-11 the season before Lindsey came in. He took a group of players that weren't his from scoring 20 points in year one to 39.9 in year two! That's an amazing job! Just thought I'd add that context for you You know who else besides Lindsey that didn't call plays at Auburn under Malzahn - Dilly. Dilly didn't call plays the three years he was OC for Norvell either. I'm a bit confused you're ok with Dilly never having been a play caller being hired at Oregon, but Lindsey who has called plays is a problem for you? As for Lindsey's time at Troy, he did call his own plays. He inherited someone else's players, brought in a new staff with a first year OC. He got fired after the third year as the head coach, and yes the scoring did go down. I'd put the scoring drop more to his head coaching skill and not his OC or play calling chops. Malzahn is a offensive Guru, the fact he hired Lindsey speaks volumes - if in your expert opinion that doesn't carry any weight with you,,. Well I will respect that. I'd also offer again how as OC at So. Miss Lindsey took a 1-11 team and increased scoring from year one to two by 19,3 points! I'd also point out you've said that you want a young, under the radar OC who you don't know of like Dilly. Well I said yesterday I wouldn't cry over 34yo Garret Riley being hired. I also said in this thread we could see that young under the radar high come off a Sub-branch of the coaching tree Dilly comes from. I'd guess that would be a disciple of Napier, Silverfield, or Spatival - I'd have to research the guy would be unknown to even me. Yet you've blown right by that and focused on the "age" thing. It's been a week since I wrote my Monday article where I said I wanted a older OC who has been a HC and could be a mentor to him. Some didn't like that - but I get my opinion and they get theirs. I said this yesterday in the thread you started. At this point it's been a week since that article and here you are in another thread hung up on the "age" thing with me. I'm over debating it at this point with you. You have your strong opinion and I have mine - we are not going to agree. I feel like I did something that hit a nerve with you and I want to say I'm sorry. You're right and I'm wrong. Since I'm wrong, and it's been a week of debating about the age of an OC, I'm not going to post on the topic of age anymore. I hope that gives you peace. I'm going to take the public loss on this issue.

We could get a real good idea with the portal what Lanning wants in a LB. Adrian Jackson and LaDuke in the portal and Sewell I expect to the draft. He can get three game ready LBs if he wants

UNC's OC Phil Longo if I have it right has a good scheme. If we don't have Dilly calling plays and Ty at QB it will be tough. UNC knows we are going to throw the screen-crosses we have all year with Ty or run. The DBs will be ready to swamp those screens, the LBs will be ready for the short cross, they will stack the box against the run. We would be well served coming out right away and throwing a couple deep balls to Franklin - loosen the defense up. If not gonna be a long night.

Our last OC was off that tree. Gus washed out at UCF with the #9 in total offense FBS this year, ya it wasn't a power-5. But Gus has offensive chops. Norvell at FSU has the #13. Dilly the #4, Spavital at North Texas has the #20.Napier at Florida has the #32. Silverfield was #42 Thats six in the top-42 off that tree. I'll take Chip Lindsey You want explosive offense then the offensive coaches off the Todd Graham tree are your guys. What does Graham's last year baggage have to do with them? NCAA College Football FBS current team Stats | NCAA.com WWW.NCAA.COM Discover the current NCAA FBS Football leaders in every stats category, as well as historic leaders.

Don't give me too much credit. I knew Malzahn and Norvell were of the Todd Graham coaching tree and its a huge tree on the offensive side that have been HC's. So I did an article and the research is still somewhat fresh. I actually should have put Chip Lindsey in my Monday OC article. I did say we could see a surprise hire off the same tree as Dilly's and that could be a up and coming young coach on a sub branch of the head coaches in my article. It could be someone under Billy Napier when he was at Louisiana that moved elsewhere or went to Florida this year. It could be someone off the Silverfield branch at Memphis. Or someone off the Spavital who is at Texas State. How would Lanning find that guy? By asking that Tribe of coaches. That coaching tree really look out for each other and if they won't hold a disciple back from moving up and getting their shot.

Dude you got the wrong Chip. This is about Chip Long not Chip Lindsey.

When Norvell left ASU in 2015 to take the Memphis job Todd Graham hired Chip Lindsey. The day he was announced he joined in the ASU practice as they were in their third practice for their bowl game. I'm going to put my faith in Graham and Gus Mahzahn who has hired Chip twice - not into grumblings. I can find someone to say bad about everyone. Mike Norvell is a disciple of Malzahn and Dilly was a disciple of both. Chip can step in already know most of the terminology. Do you know where Dan Lanning was in 2012 and 2013? He was at ASU under Todd Graham as a GA and recruiting Cord. Do you know where Dan Lanning was in 2016 and 2017? He was at Memphis under Mike Norvell as his inside backers coach. Lanning hired Norvell's young disciple in Dilly. It's not a stretch he does what Graham did and hires off the same offensive tree with Lindsey. After's Dilly's first year as a OC he went and spent a year as OC under Malzhan and then back to Norvell for two years at FSU. Lanning hiring Malzahn's two time OC makes lots of sense. He gets a 48yo Vet OC-QB coach that is the same dude Graham brought in back in 2015. BTW- Lindsey has worked for Malzahn three times. He was an OA in 2012. In 2017 Gus poached him as OC from ASU and Graham and this year he was at UCF with Malzahn as OC

I already said in the first post of the thread Malzahn calls his own plays, always has as a head coach.

The continuality is huge for development for the young OL guys who will be taking over next year, Coach Klemm doesn't have a new install for them to go through. This would actually be a really smart hire for Lanning to make as the entire offense won't throw away the base they built this year with Dilly. It's Dilly 2.0 UCF was #9 in total offense this year.

With the rumor the hire is being announced this weekend and the speculation the new OCs current team is playing this weekend... Enter Chip Lindsey the current UCF OC for Gus Malzahn. I wrote Monday we could see a surprise hire off the coaching tree Dilly is from. - this fits that bill! Lindsey spent two years as the Auburn OC for Malzhan. Dilly spent a year at Auburn under Malzahn and the offense is a close variant to Mike Norvell's. Dilly was the OC at Memphis and FSU under Norvell. Chip Lindsey is 48 and was the HC at Troy from 2019 - 2021 and went 15-19 in his only head coaching tenure. He's been a OC-OB coach or head coach since 2014. Lanning hires Lindsey and the offensive scheme changes very little. Lindsey has his first bigtime power-5 gig as an OC since 2018 at Auburn and gets to call his own plays. Lindsey didn't go to UCF long term to sit behind Malzhan calling the plays. These offensive coaches off the Todd Graham coaching tree are a Tribe - Gus hired Chip to give him a spot for a year until he makes his next move. This hire makes tons of sense. Malzahn is going to give Lanning a good referral, Dilly may have even suggested the hire. Hire Lindsey and he could step in and run our offense in the bowl game if we wanted. Oregon OC Kenny Dillingham Has Surprises in His Coaching Tree FISHDUCK.COM New 32-year-old OC Kenny Dillingham's age is making Oregon fans ask "how can he have the experience and acumen being so...

Like Allen Iverson sort of said.. 'what are we talking about, baseball? We talking about baseball" Baseball is not the same game. Properly striking a pitch involves one player in the batters box, fielding a ball cleanly does not rely on teammates. Football has 11 players on each team involved in every play with. Lastly the math nerds can't account on the fly for things like: if you punt the ball is the wind at your back and in the other teams face on offense if your punter strong and they have a weak punter does your punter get you lots of fair catches is it starting to rain is the other teams QB, RB, OL or WR now banged up in this game if you don't get the 4th down will your teams emotions let down on both sides of the ball if you punt and get a 3 and out will your team get fired up if you punt with the wind behind your back and and get a 3 and out and they punt into the wind will you pick up field position if you go for it and fail what's the effect of getting the home teams crowd fired up more is your QB. RB, OL, or WR banged up in this game making it harder to convert this 4th down if you go for it at your own 29 yard line on 4th down and fail - what's the emotional effect on you defense being given a short field to defend

Darren, I totally agree with what you said below. This may be the paragraph of the year in my book! "Analytics essentially allows math nerds to make gametime decisions for you, and they shouldn’t. It is completely logic-driven, and football is a game played and coached by completely illogical humans. Analytics does not take this into consideration, and it does not take into account momentum, injuries, or emotion. Math nerds should not be making football decisions any more than a head football coach should be making atmospheric re-entry calculations for NASA. End of story."

How can you knows the pool size for young OCs is small? Because an OC is a senior spot on a coaching staff. Being a OC in your lower 30s is rare. It's even rarer at the P-5 level and even more rare good P-5 teams are rocking a young 30s OC. You will find more at the Mid-Majors than in the P-5. The top FBS programs find lots of elite play callers now as head coaches calling plays. UCF was a top-15 offense this year with head coach Guz Malzahn calling plays - so add another older Vet play caller to the cream of Top-15 FBS offense's. There are way more good older to late 30s play callers in college football .David Yost, Scott Satterfield, Chip Long, Andy Ludwig, Mike Bobo, Josh Gattis, are more of the top of my head. To go with Hemman, Mullens, Bill Obrien, Jeff Lebby that I already brought up. That's 10 older non head coach - OCs who are legit seat time play callers. I bet someone could do research and find ten more. Graham Harrel is now 37 - he is a Tweener. The young guns who could fit the Dilly's mold are as I said: Kittley, Riley, Kevin Decker at Fordham, Joe Brady. None of these guys are under the radar and all have the play calling time that Dilly didn't. This is the cream of the crop I can think up for the 34 and under crowd. Lets understand the route to coming up the coaching ladder... Lets say you finish college ball and get a spot on a staff at 24yo. You have normally 2-3 years doing the GA-Analyst thing. Then you might get a WR or TE gig for 2 years. Then you might get tagged the passing game Cord for 2 years. Then your a Co-OC for 2 years. Then at 34 years old you get an OC job calling plays. Dilly, Riley, Kittley, Brady, Decker all jumped up faster than that normal type of track - they are the few who do. It also depends on the head coach and how he rolls. Dilly's mentor was Mike Norvell who was a super young OC and then head coach at 34. Since he had chops and moved up to an OC at a young age he brought Dilly along. I think he promoted Dilly to OC at Memphis when he was 28 - so Dilly had four years in as an OC when we hired him. Not many 32 yo OCs with four years under their belt - but Dilly never called plays until his 5th year as an OC here. But he did lots of game planning and watched Norvell sequence play calls in the system for three years and with Malzhan for one year at Auburn. Both schemes are of the same tree. There isn't a ton of coaches promoting young dudes on a fast track to CO-OC and then to non play calling OC or play calling OC. This is why you have the hot prospects of Will Stien at UTSA, Brian Hartline at tOSU and Brennan Marion at Texas who have never been a called play calling OC but will be. Does Lanning take a risk with one of them? Does he go after the Dilly type four of Riley, Kittley, Brady, Decker - or does he hire an older OC?

We can also assume Dilly is on the phone trying to flip Oregon commits - like the five star QB. I'm sure he has reached out to every commit to tell them they are welcome here. Also sure he is going after our players in the Portal.

Wow. Savage. I wonder if Dillly told ASU he could build part of his staff with Oregon guys? I was wondering if he had the connections/Cred to pull a good staff. Look like maybe not. His OC was thrown a life line but I bet he only came as the play caller. ASU job is a chance for him to rebuild his career and he can't do that not calling plays. Wonder what Lanning thinks about Dilly trying to poach his staff? Dilly had like 5 years as an OC, but didn't call plays. Lanning hires him and gives him the chance to call plays and he bails after one year and tries to poach staff? The way the special teams were last week Lorig can go join Dilly and we could upgrade. Might be reason to get an OC who isn't looking for a HC gig where he can poach the staff when he moves on.

Some have shot him down because of the slow mesh.

Ya that dude, I just brought him up in the thread as the pass cord at UTSA. I thought he was still the passing game Cord like last year - do you know if he called plays this year? Jeff Traylor has that program going and a few young dudes on that staff.

I think Helf is a great college OC and QB coach - but I think his failure as a head coach blinds some to how good he as an an OC-QB coach.

You had the second post on the thread and you said you agreed with the OP? The OP said he wanted a young, under the radar coach he never heard of. So my post was in reply to both of you since you agreed with him. My post stuck to the facts. The fact is there isn't many Dilly like guys out there to hire. If we go under the radar we are most likely into having a first time play caller. Just because I wrote an article that said I think Lanning needs a older wiser OC, and that I think Mullens and Phil should advise him to do so - doesn't mean that it's going to happen. We are all entitled to our opinions. I get there are some who disagree with my take - that's all good and fair. I'm not going to cry over Lanning hiring a young OC like Garrett Riley - that would be a good hire. I also think an older OC can be good hire.

one year calling plays and Sanford the HC took back the play calling duties. Sanford was the Colorado OC this year. and has been the Notre Dame and another FBS OC. I'd hire Sanford before I give the job to junior.