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College GameDay will be broadcasting from South Bend this Saturday. A top ten matchup of the Buckeyes and Irish. If the Ducks and Trojans continue winning , there is a great chance Lee will be back in Eugene on November 11th. Below is an article on the 88 year old Corso, who started the headgear tradition back in 1996 with Brutus the Buckeye. A team he has picked the most with 39 times. Alabama is second with 36. He has a career 606.00 winning percentage, and just picked his 400th game this past Saturday. I think some of his most iconic moments have been with Puddles. Lee Corso's top headgear picks from 'College GameDay' history - ESPN WWW.ESPN.COM This weekend marks Lee Corso's 400th headgear pick on "College...
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Football Schedules for Big 10 and Big 12 Next Year?
GatOrlando replied to Annie's topic in Our Beloved Ducks
The real question is gonna be about divisions. Every major conference is adding at least two teams next year. The B1G made a huge deal of no longer having East/West. The Big 12 eliminated divisions a few years ago. The ACC/SEC still have them. How are you gonna do that flex scheduling with protected rivalries, with such a large conference? Especially if you want every team to play every team ,in a two year window. -
It was a great game Saturday night. I thought Colorado was gonna boat race Colorado State. TBH, who has Colorado beaten that is a legitimate threat? TCU? They beat Michigan in the playoffs, got a lot of breaks to get there. They were no match against Georgia though, that looked like a low level G5 school against Georgia. It wasn't like TCU wasn't given a blueprint how to beat Georgia either. They just didn't have the dudes that Ohio State did. Nebraska? Have we not seen what Nebraska looks like against not even teams like Ohio State, but Wisconsin? I hardly call that impressive. Then we have a Colorado State team with a loss already, not many P5 guys on that roster. Also it was a primetime game on ABC at home, and coach prime was "motivated". Colorado is 3-0, most likely saw a 2-1 start. So they're ahead of schedule, but they're about to hit the meat of their schedule. Oregon State, Washington State, Utah, USC, Oregon, and Washington have all looked more impressive to me. I wouldn't look past Colorado, they have speed. But they will get worn down against bigger teams with just as much speed, if not more. Still a good job of coach prime imo. He's made Colorado relevant, excited to see what he does in the coming years if he stays in Boulder. I can see him leaving for a few jobs. I don't see many of them opening up anytime soon though. Maybe Michigan State, maybe.
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I get the market value of L.A. I get the history of USC football, and it being the "bedrock" of the PAC. But to say the PAC was dead after last year is false. The league failed because some of the leaders in the room thought they were as valuable as the B1G, because of it's history working with the B1G. Even with USC, the PAC was not as valuable as the B1G or SEC. Texas came to the SEC, not the other way around. USC went to the B1G, not the other way. Those are two of the biggest programs out there. Great academic institutions as well. But they weren't pulling the Big 12 or PAC 12 even with the B1G or SEC. So that goes to show you those "bedrocks" weren't gonna make the difference those fanbases believe. I believe Notre Dame is trying to stay independent to retain their unicorn status. Once they join, a dollar amount gets pinned on them. They become just another huge program in a league. Something is always more valuable when you can't have it. Sooner or later, the Irish are gonna have a sticker price. That's a level of arrogance that trounces even USC or Texas.
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Washington looks like a contender. I don't care how bad Michigan State is. It's a road game against a P5 school. They got their first B1G win in a big way. Utah looked good, very physical team. Very disciplined.
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Skip to fifteen minutes. It looks like USC fans really look down on everybody in their current/former league. They really don't want Oregon in their new/future league. I would think they'd like having some programs in their region, keep some of their rivals. But from what I've seen, they would have tried to shut Oregon out of the B1G had they had a current vote. Is the bad blood that severe? This is like Texas A&M not wanting Texas in the SEC. Geez man, the guy in the video seems to think that the only programs worthy of their presence is Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State. Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan State, Minnesota, Purdue, Indiana, and Northwestern, already hated their conference adding Penn State, Nebraska, Maryland, and Rutgers because they aren't original members. I can only imagine how they'll feel when this level of arrogance enters their league.
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C’mon…a New PAC Conference? Really?
GatOrlando replied to Charles Fischer's topic in Our Beloved Ducks
When you have no other options and are backed into the corner of irrelevancy, get as much attention as possible. Two years down the road, nobody is gonna give any attention to this story. Best case scenario is the Beavers or Cougars have UCF, Cincy, Houston, Boise, or TCU(before getting into the Big 12) success. Maybe then the Big 12 might take a second look at them when their next television deal comes up. The Big 12, and ACC will be fighting to stay alive. Both conferences know they are gonna be well below the SEC and B1G conferences. The ACC has members both those leagues may want to round out at 20 teams. Clemson, FSU, North Carolina, Virginia, and Miami are likely targets. It will then be a battle between the ACC/Big 12 for schools like West Virginia, Cincy, Pitt, VT, UCF, GT, NCSU. Then you'll need to fill in for losses to get to 20 teams. Those slots will likely go to teams like Memphis, USF, SDSU, Boise, Oregon State and Washington State. Best case scenario for the sport is four leagues consisting of twenty teams. Plus Notre Dame getting their unicorn spot. Frankly I'm done hearing about Notre Dame joining a league at this point. If they ever do, it will be the B1G. But twenty team leagues are coming, and the B1G will likely only wait for them up to a certain point. Then it's likely they'll just grab UNC and FSU to have teams in every corner of the country. The SEC will grab Clemson, Miami, Virginia and maybe Virginia Tech. Then maybe Oregon State and Washington State can go to the Big 12 or ACC. Depending on whomever gets Pitt, West Virginia, Louisville, Cincy and UCF. The Beavers and Cougars are definitely worthy of being one of the 80 teams in my projection. Then let all this conference alignment stuff go away for a while. All leagues can have 10 game conference slates, and the eventual 16 team playoff can be settled where the P4 champions get top 4 seeds, the G5 can have a representative, and the remaining eleven at large spots can go to primarily B1G/SEC members. The ACC/Big 12 will likely get a couple at large spots as well. Then we can all argue over who should get in, instead of arguing who is gonna go to whatever conference next. A much better discussion imo. -
My limited experience with B1G fans has been mixed. I'll just assign a one word association with the top three teams in your new conference. You can guess which word describes which school. The three schools: 1.) The Ohio State 2.) Michigan 3.) Penn State. _-----------------_------------- The three words are: 1.)Arrogant 2.) Obnoxious 3.) Zealots --------_------------_------- There are several good fans, but those three large fanbases exhibit some of the above qualities I would use the above word association.. Especially towards their fellow conference mates, which you will be next year. They will react to you differently than they did when you were out of conference foes .
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Yeah, I was in the camp of those Husky fans who looked at team success vs recruiting under Mullen. I was blind, Georgia, Alabama and Ohio State were beating us out for Florida kids. You can only coach up three stars so far. Georgia fans warned us, mocked us, gloated over our failures. They were right. Just as Oregon fans are right about the debate between talent to coach em up philosophy. It's only gonna get tougher next year. No you have USC, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, and Oregon. All are pulling in far superior recruits. Take it from a former blind fan. IT MATTERS!!!
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I get enough politics and b.s discussion whenever I turn on anything. To this day I've never won an argument. In the south we call it slinging mud, but it's really just chest pounding. I enjoy the ability to come on here and learn about different fanbases. Most people wouldn't say half the things in person, that the internet anonymity gives them the "courage" to say behind an alter ego. I meet the nicest people in person. I meet some of the vilest on some message boards. Weird. I thank all my Duck friends here for being so inviting. I know a'lot of people have some preconceptions about SEC fans. Some of it is warranted, but you'll also meet some of the friendliest people on Earth in that region of the country. Hopefully one day I'll find a reason to attend a Ducks game and meet some of you in person. Until then, I'll visit you all here on this great site. Thank you Charles.
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They can keep the name, history, branding. They have two years to get to eight I believe. They aren't going to keep autonomy though. I hope they win the lawsuit, but the ACC has similar rules and there were talks of the conference being disbanded if at least 8 schools departed. The ten departing schools want even more money . Cal in particular is going to need it with their new limited income going into the ACC. But isn't the PAC in debt due to it's terrible television network, lavish offices, and paying two terrible commissioners more than a Whopper? If there are any remaining assets, but only two conference members. Is it even a conference at that point? I know they have that two year window, but doesn't that really just freeze the assets in place until the conference proves it is a conference? Just another clusterduck from the PAC I suppose.
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Not defending alleged abuse on players here, but I'm sure in history you could find examples of "abuse" everywhere. They call it hazing today, it was called team building or discipline when Paterno, Bowden, Hayes, Rockne, Holtz, or Bo were coaching. Watch the Junction Boys movie. I'm sure some of that was dramatized , but have no doubt that the Bear forced his players to do things that would get him fired today. Northwestern just fired it's coach, I'm sure Saban, Dabo, Urban, Carroll, Stoops, Harbaugh, Kelly, and just about any coach above the age of 40 has some "archaic" beliefs. Military training and acceptance standards have changed over the years. Hiring laws have been put in place, board member minority rules have been enforced. Females have been hired as referees, coaches, and sometimes even players have been inserted onto football teams. Mike Leach got fired at Tech because he disciplined the son of a prominent ESPN personality. Bad press can get coaches like Paterno fired. You think nobody knew about what happened in Happy Valley before 2011? Getting back to the topic at hand, Leach was the color red in a world full of black and white. He never coached in a big market, at a school with a big brand. He coached the little guy, punched above his weight limit. I often wondered what he could have done with more resources. Could he have recruited at a higher level? Would he even want to deal with powerful boosters? College football became a little more bland last December.
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Weird: I've Lost All Interest in Oregon State
GatOrlando replied to Charles Fischer's topic in Our Beloved Ducks
I hope the Beavers keep playing the Ducks. It's getting old from their end blaming Oregon for destroying the rivalry. Sad as it is, the reason Oregon State is playing the altruistic card of loyalty, is due to them not having any other options. It's not fair, but life has never been fair. Some people just make more money, have nicer homes, drive nicer cars. Nobody would turn down a much better job with more perks. As far as conference interest, it takes time. For me it's taken many years to accept Missouri and Texas A&M as SEC members. Now I dislike them as much as any other SEC foe. -
What IF the B1G Did NOT See This Coming?
GatOrlando replied to Charles Fischer's topic in Our Beloved Ducks
See you get it. You must also forget the last two times you played Michigan. Those games were just an illusion, in 2007 Michigan players all missed the bus. So in order to not disappoint the paying customers, Lloyd Carr arranged for the whole Eastern Michigan squad to play in Michigan uniforms. The game in 2003 saw the plane take Michigan to Corvallis, but luckily the whole Western Michigan football team was in Eugene. They just so happened to have the Michigan uniforms shipped to the right city. So yeah, those games were not really against the all time leader in wins, those mighty Wolverines. -
Sad thing is that neither side needed each other. As long as Ohio State and Michigan stay in the B1G, they are good. Sadly the PAC kind of put all their chips on USC, once they left, everything started to crumble. It still could have been saved though. The PAC could have survived with Oregon and Washington as the bell cows. But some fools let the Big 12 take the deal. The SEC didn't need Texas or Oklahoma. The ACC didn't need Miami back in the 2000's. The PAC didn't need Utah or Colorado. The B1G didn't need Nebraska, Rutgers, or Maryland. It would be great if we could reset things back to 2005. Eventual sixteen team playoff with the SEC, B1G, PAC, ACC, Big 12, and Big East still intact. You could keep the regional history, travel. You could also still have added a couple G5 schools to the P6. Oh well, if only that time machine worked.
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What IF the B1G Did NOT See This Coming?
GatOrlando replied to Charles Fischer's topic in Our Beloved Ducks
No. If Oregon and USC go into the B1G and score sixty points, it's because your team got tougher up front. You see when you switch out the PAC sticker for the B1G one, you automatically become tougher. Never question the patch power. Also you must forget that 2021 game ever happened. Ohio State players all had the flu that day. -
What IF the B1G Did NOT See This Coming?
GatOrlando replied to Charles Fischer's topic in Our Beloved Ducks
They'll just assume you don't have the line play, or defensive toughness. SEC fans feel the same way. Forget the fact that Ohio State and Georgia set the Peach Bowl record for points last year at 83, would have been 86 had Ohio State made that field goal to end the game. But don't let facts get in the way of presenting the story. Anybody remember the blackshirts of Nebraska? Or three yards and a cloud of dust between Michigan and Ohio State? Yeah not in my lifetime dudes. -
Can you imagine if Sanders actually makes Colorado a force? Think he's aggravating now? It'll set off a wave of copycat hires at places like Miami, Texas, USC. If that happens I don't think I could watch another presser. For the love of humility, please keep that potential lunacy under wraps PAC teams. If Florida continues to struggle and Colorado shines, I can see Stricklin going for a hire like Prime Time. Just no, please no.
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With Cal and Stanford going to the ACC, it got me thinking. Every future remaining P4 league has at least two representatives in the PAC. Except one.... I would like an excuse to go up to Oregon and Washington in the Fall. There are two remaining members that would probably take a steep reduced rate to remain in a P4 league..... You see where I'm going here? Let's petition the Sun Belt to get the Beavers and Cougars in!!! No that's not right I said P4. Let's get the SEC to invite two Northwest schools into the league. Forcing Nick Saban into travelling to Pullman in November may just get him to retire. Two straight weeks in the great Northwest in November for the Tide, then the Longhorns the next year. Let's get it done, we need a yearlong battle royale in the PAC. Four B1G and Big 12 teams, and two SEC and ACC teams. Plus I actually wouldn't mind going to a Fall game up in the northwest.
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The B1G and Big 12 additions made some sense. Kevin Warren kind of made it necessary to add travel companions for USC and UCLA. He had no love for college football, promptly going back to the NFL after boggling the whole Covid decision, and "Alliance". But whatever, that league has the money to do what they want. Their football league got better, and they got great television markets. The Big 12 was in a fight for survival, they extended their footprint. Added schools they wanted, and got revenge on the PAC for telling them they weren't good enough to merge with two years ago. The ATLANTIC COAST CONFERENCE added two schools on the PACIFIC COAST. Also SMU, a school in Dallas. They didn't make their football conference any better, added no extra revenue, and now have two schools thousands of miles away. They don't have the money or stability the B1G does. They have two members who already want to leave, and have now gone against what North Carolina wanted. Notre Dame got what they wanted though. Still not a member, nor will they join the league. So you just made your three most powerful members even angrier. For what? Unequal distribution, but not more for anyone. Just none for SMU and a very small amount for CAL and Stanford. The ACC isn't long for this world, the SEC is gonna strike in a few years. There aren't any members they want outside the ACC. Same goes for the B2G. My guess is the Big 12 picks the best of the rest after those two get who they want. So Stanford and CAL will once again be the rest, and we all know how they feel about the Big 12. Maybe by then Notre Dame will have to join the B2G, and they'll get invited as a group.
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Larry Scott started the fall, Ole George pulled the block that tipped the whole Jenga tower down. Two terrible commissioners in a row took down a 108 year old conference. There were multiple others that played roles, but those two were paid to serve the best interest of every member school. One spent money on extravagant items like a trust fund brat, the other had no gumption to take the bull by the horns. The ultimate yes-man.
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Congrats to the Utes! I don't know how good of a win this will be looked upon down the road, but you can only focus on the now in college football. Utah was the better team throughout the game, they have a great home environment, and they play really solid defense. Hopefully their QB Rising can come back soon. They'll need him against all the great QB's in the PAC this year.
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T-Minus 1 hr. 47 minutes till the actual real start of college football. Zero week had zero interesting games. I'll look past your statement above because I get why you want your future opponent to be as highly valued as possible, not that anyone in the SEC would ever do such a thing. We have the legendary Graham Mertz under center. That tough Utah defense has no idea what is coming from this future Gator legend/former Badger castoff .
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Oregon Ducks Football: The Season for ALL the Marbles
GatOrlando replied to FishDuck Article's topic in Our Beloved Ducks
Fortunately I've gotten to watch more PAC games the last decade since I've moved to Arizona. While the fan support isn't anything close to what I grew up with, I have met some really friendly fans. The year ASU won the South, a random guy at a gas station got so excited that he gave me a very random high five. Paid for the drink I was holding. I was in Anaheim in 2019 and the media was all about the Lakers and Clippers playing an opening season game, or preseason. It was October. So it's very hit and miss. The Rams Super Bowl parade proved that L.A fans have a'lot more interests than their sports teams. The media market in Phoenix is very Suns, Cardinals, Diamondbacks, golf, flower planting, Martha Stewart cooking, ASU and Coyotes oriented. In that order. A'lot of dislike for Michael Crow and Ray Anderson for making ASU athletics an afterthought. Crow is a much more academic oriented leader and he's done a good job raising that profile. Being an FSU alum, I can say ASU was thought of an awesome party school very similar to FSU(very well deserved btw). Crow has changed that perception, he should be commended for that. Anderson on the other hand is just tone deaf. Herm Edwards was paid very well for what he did, which was nothing but gaffe after gaffe. Never creating a pipeline to any local high schools, recruiting violations during covid, practice infractions during covid, current bowl ban. Anderson finally fired him after four years of mistakes, two years too late. Then Anderson falls into the same trap of saying stupid things and making questionable hires. He has no pulse on how to run a college athletics program. He just says stupid things. Then he tries to make it seem like it was just a joke. See his comments on traveling to West Virginia right after joining the Big 12. He said he would never make a trip to Morgantown when asked how he felt about new traveling locations for his sports programs. He would gladly go to Texas, Utah, Colorado etc.. His underlings would go to coaltown USA-(He didn't say the Coaltown part). Crow later posted a photo of him as a track star at ISU, Anderson later posted that he and Wren Baker (WVU AD.) Had a good talk, a good way to curtail the anger of his joking I guess. Oh well. In short I would say as a non PAC fan living in the footprint, that this is the most interesting year to me. Not just because of the chaos, but because I can see several teams winning the conference. Great QB play as well. So I'm gonna enjoy watching the season unfold, I have no rooting interest. I can just enjoy the fun. Outside of Saturday at Utah, I really don't care which team wins on a week to week schedule. May the best team win.