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Michael Crow accepted the job at ASU, he had one big goal in mind, to transform ASU from a well known party school, to a respected AAU institution. To that point he has done a good job. He cares very little about the athletic side, I know he was a track and field star at Iowa State, he included that in his get better letter , saying he is "SUPER EXCITED" to join the Big 12. It's well known he was a major supporter of the PAC leadership. He was just happy to have his programs connected with academic heavyweights that shared his view that academia is the main focus of a University. Sports provide a nice little distraction , makes the school a bit of money, and brings a bit of attention. He basically got drug screaming into the Big 12, Arizona was like big brother dragging little brother into the league, like it was his first day of school. The media around the Phoenix area has been torching Ray Anderson for years. Crow refuses to admit the guy sucks at his job. They are golfing buddies after all. It's really quite humorous, I have seen the major shift in perception since I moved to Arizona in 2012. In those 11 years I have seen ASU vs Arizona debates over sports fanaticism really diminish. Arizona cares about it's sports teams. ASU doesn't.

Kind of disappointed you didn't have a Duck chilling in a mini pool, sipping on a cold refreshing beverage. Maybe in your new home

Went on a Washington State message board. A'lot of messages were putting most of the blame on the Ducks, and Huskies. They claim to never want another Apple Cup. Sad for the folks of that state who love that rivalry. Their programs would take the money, and bolt too. It's like getting mad at a coworker for getting a promotion. They are tethering their hopes to a lawsuit preventing Washington from leaving. In reality they know what happened, and why it happened. They know who is to blame, yet choose to lash out. Weird to think if the ACC had added Cal, and Stanford. It would be a B1G, Big 12, ACC, and PAC invitational this year.

That whole BIG-PAC12-ACC thing. It was meant to keep the SEC from taking over everything. The Big 12 proposed a partnership with the PAC, but the PAC said "nah we good". Meanwhile it was being pitched that Ohio State, and Michigan were considering the SEC. The PAC is all but dead, the ACC is facing a mutiny. Well like Texas , and Oklahoma kept the Big 12 from expanding, while negotiating to leave. USC was likely behind the PAC not expanding sooner. Point is don't trust anybody. You gotta look out for your best interests. Oregon is getting roasted for this. It's unfair really.

The Chargers play there sure, but the Rams own the stadium, along with the 1,000 fulltime fans in Los Angeles. The Chargers would get more support in Portland imo. Los Angeles is Raiders country. " Just win baby!!" Move the Raiders to L.A, the Rams to Vegas, and the Chargers to San Diego.

Wouldn't be shocked to see it in played at the Rams stadium either. Kind of wish the SEC would rotate between Dallas, New Orleans, Miami, and Atlanta.

Seeing Notre Dame getting clobbered in just about every big bowl game since the turn of the new millennium is always welcome. The attitude of them being elite, yet getting exposed every time they make the playoffs, or BCS title game, or NY6, just is the gift that keeps giving. The ACC did everyone a disservice in 2020.

I think that not only does the move help you in California, but also the Midwest, and East. A'lot of talent in the Baltimore, Chicago, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Columbus Detroit, Indianapolis ,Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, New Jersey, St Louis, D.C area. That's your new footprint. You guys already do a pretty good job recruiting nationally. But you're about to get a'lot more looks from kids in these areas.

You got Penn State and Nebraska. If those don't exude flash, I don't know what does.

I keep hearing that Oregon State and Washington State , did more with less than any other P5 member. Is that true? I'm asking as someone who associates Washington State with that '97 squad with Ryan Leaf. I recall Oregon State playing in a Fiesta Bowl back in '01. I think they throttled Notre Dame. I know they may have more history, but I think that was before my time. Heck until Chip Kelly elevated Oregon, and the uniforms became elaborate, I only knew about Oregon because of Akili Smith, and Joey Harrington. Then it was the Oregon punch game against Boise State.

Texas and Texas A&M were never partners imo. It's like Florida and FSU, there is no "brothers in arms" deal in these states. It's a rabid dislike in these football crazy states. I can speak to the majority in saying we would relish FSU being relegated to the AAC.

This is a great site. Very friendly fans who enjoy talking football. The upgrades make the page load much faster on my phone.

Feelings are hurt right now. Facts are Oregon would have taken Oregon State with them if possible. Just like Arizona did with ASU. USC took UCLA with them, but unfortunately the B1G didn't see it as a gain. Oklahoma State said they would stop playing Oklahoma after this year. I hope that isn't true. Give it a few years, the hurt feelings will go away... Hopefully. Can't blame either side imo. For Oregon it was about securing a seat at the table. For Oregon State, it feels like abandonment.

I remember prior to that 2006 BCS Title Game, that the B1G, PAC, and Big 12 were all considered on par or better than the SEC. Heck the ACC was in that mix too. You had USC, California and Oregon in the PAC. You had Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State in the B1G. You had Oklahoma and Texas in the Big 12. You had Miami and FSU in the ACC. Alabama wasn't dominant, Georgia wasn't elite, Florida was just coming back under Meyer. LSU won a BCS title with two losses, even that was split with USC. Then on that glorious January day in 2006 , Florida absolutely wrecked the 14 plus point favorite Buckeyes. Remember there was a call to have Michigan getting a rematch with Ohio State in that game. They were obviously the two best teams. Well USC wrecked Michigan in the Rose Bowl, and Florida bullied the Buckeyes in the BCS title game. The next year LSU beat the Buckeyes in the BCS title game, and Florida beat Oklahoma the next year in the BCS Title Game. Alabama beat Texas the next year, and well folks, the rest was history. You had Auburn beating the Ducks the next year, Alabama winning the next over LSU. Alabama again over Notre Dame. Since that beating in 2006 you've had 5 SEC teams win a National Title. Clemson and Florida State have won a combined three for the ACC. Ohio State has one for the B1G. That's four titles since 2006 for every conference not named the SEC. Now you have Texas and Oklahoma in the SEC. You have USC in the BIG. Those three are the only teams outside Clemson, Miami, and Florida State, that have won a National Title this Millennium. To say all the power lies in two conferences is an understatement. But unless you get Clemson, FSU and Miami into the B1G. I would say there is still a gap between the SEC and B1G. That's no disrespect to Washington or Oregon. They are great additions that make the B1G stronger. Iron sharpens iron, that's the SEC thinking. The B1G just adopted that as well. Undefeated records are gonna be things of the past.

The PacWestAmerican perhaps? https://www.si.com/college/stanford/football/what-pac-12-expansion-could-look-like-after-their-historic-collapse

I hope so for fans of both teams. I think State rivalries are really fun. When you have two or more big universities playing for bragging rights at the end of the year, it makes a meaningless season finale mean something. It's what makes high school and college football fun. In Florida, I would take great joy in ending an FSU run to the playoffs. Even if we have three losses and are out of the race. Knocking them off gives the season meaning. Imagine Oregon State playing for a spot in the conference title game, then imagine Oregon beating them for that spot. I imagine that would be sweeter than beating any other team on your schedule. Outside of winning the title yourself, beating your rival so they can't have it is a good secondary achievement. Time will tell if the President sticks to their word.

Oregon State and Washington State are gonna have to go the BYU, Cincy, Houston and UCF route. Cincy and UCF were apart of the Big East during their last years as a P6 member. They both made it to some BCS bowls via winning the league. Then they had to go back down and build back up without that P6 money. BYU has a rich history but just have never been in a major conference. Houston has been investing without any major conference backing to get that call. They made it to some NY6 bowls. Cincy made it to the playoffs , UCF has had some great years with great exposure. Those four did it without P5 money. Now Oregon State looks to be investing finally. It's gonna be a bit tougher because Cincy, Houston and Orlando are all good markets with great high school football, while BYU has a national brand already. But it can be done, look at Boise State. They are very relevant, probably a candidate for the PAC had it gone on. Regardless of that, Boise State is the Gonzaga of football. Perhaps Oregon State or Washington State can become sharks in a pond. Make some playoff pushes and raise their brand value. Here's looking at you Beav.

https://collegefootballnews.com/cfn/oregon-and-washington-to-the-big-ten-will-be-amazing-eventually With ASU, Arizona and Utah all going to the Big 12, I would say this is the swan song for the PAC. Hopefully you guys can keep the Civil War Game alive. Along with Washington and the Apple Cup. Utah gets their Holy War game back.

A new era begins.

Sad day for college football, inevitable though. You can trace this back to Texas destroying the old Big 8. You can say this began in 2005 when Miami and Virginia Tech left the Big East for ACC. You could say it began in 2011 with the B1G taking Nebraska, PAC 12 taking Colorado and Utah, the SEC taking Missouri and Texas A&M, while Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Louisville and Boston College went to the ACC. West Virginia and TCU joined the Big 12, essentially stripping the Big East of it P6 status. Ten years later Oklahoma and Texas left the Big 12. A year later USC and UCLA did the same to the PAC. The Big 12 adapted to survive, the PAC unfortunately didn't. I think it's safe to say that the ACC needs to be proactive to stay afloat. That G.O.R isn't the shield they believe it to be. Florida State is openly crying about it, although nobody forced them to sign it. What happens if Clemson, Miami, North Carolina and Virginia decide they wanna cry too? I wanna congratulate Oregon in getting an invite that will ensure you will continue to grow it's brand. To many like USC, Michigan, Ohio State, Alabama, Georgia, Texas, Oklahoma and Notre Dame , you are new money. They don't see you on their level historically. They will say you have zero titles. As a Florida fan, we went through the same thing when Spurrier arrived. Luckily when I became a fan in the later 90's we had already gotten one. It took another two to get past that new money phase and some will still mock us for Gatorade making us. But I don't see Oregon failing to adapt like Nebraska has. It's a sad day if/when the PAC implodes, but college football will adapt. You guys aren't going in alone and it looks like you'll get to keep making your southern neighbors have a little heartburn. Ain't that a Quack in the butt?

Can't wait till actual football games begin. It's really tiresome to hear about politics in sports. Isn't sports supposed to be a distraction, something fun? Secret board meetings, media deals, conference loyalties vs royalties. Sounds like some soap opera to me.

Would Oregon and Washington leap at the offer? I've heard different things that the schools are a package deal in state provincial terms. I think it's hogwash as Oklahoma supposedly was tied to Oklahoma State but they left them behind. Same thing goes for Arizona and Arizona State. I just don't see that being a roadblock. To me it's likely every dog for themselves, I don't know State rules in Oregon though. In the next couple years I see the B1G and SEC turning into superconferences. Sad in a way, I really liked that special feeling of the rare matchups between teams from different regions facing off in rare meetings. Soon it's gonna be like the NFL. AFC and NFC, or B1G and SEC.

I know I'm not a Ducks fan, I probably count as that odd number. I'm not here to speak negatively though. Last year I said you guys will be members of the B1G when they next expand. Nothing I've seen seems to change that fact. USC and UCLA are gonna need some teams in their region to play every year as conference slates will shrink the number of o.o.c games. I don't see a fit better than Oregon and Washington. Sooner or later the SEC and B1G are just gonna dwarf any other league. There aren't many whales left outside of those conferences. Notre Dame, Clemson, FSU and Miami in football. North Carolina and Kansas in basketball is about it imo. Give it a year or two. Oregon is gonna get called to join their west coast brothers. Maybe then Ohio State will have to honor that home and home with you guys. I know Michigan isn't looking to play you guys again after that 2007 thrashing.

Utah didn't choke that game away. I'm a little tired of the narrative of the number beside the name without playing a single snap somehow being a barometer for this year. Last year Florida was garbage, we had a number beside the name though. Excuse my diatribe here, but I've heard about this "choke" for three days now. Ohio State didn't choke against you last year. Utah didn't choke this year. Look at every metric, Rising was most effective in plays like the game ender. He thought he had an opening, then he was about to get tackled and he made a bad decision. Had the defender not made the play, Utah would have had time for two more tries without having to call a timeout to stop the clock. It was a great opening game. I have a lot of respect for Utah coming into the Swamp. Their fans turned out, I really hope to return the honor in Utah. The humidity may have been against them, but the elevation may be against us.

Logging out for now. I predict Oregon State will win 38 to 20. Washington is rolling right now. Perhaps the Pac 12 will close out strong. It's only week one guys. In a month things will look different.