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Sad thing is that neither side needed each other. As long as Ohio State and Michigan stay in the B1G, they are good. Sadly the PAC kind of put all their chips on USC, once they left, everything started to crumble. It still could have been saved though. The PAC could have survived with Oregon and Washington as the bell cows. But some fools let the Big 12 take the deal. The SEC didn't need Texas or Oklahoma. The ACC didn't need Miami back in the 2000's. The PAC didn't need Utah or Colorado. The B1G didn't need Nebraska, Rutgers, or Maryland. It would be great if we could reset things back to 2005. Eventual sixteen team playoff with the SEC, B1G, PAC, ACC, Big 12, and Big East still intact. You could keep the regional history, travel. You could also still have added a couple G5 schools to the P6. Oh well, if only that time machine worked.

No. If Oregon and USC go into the B1G and score sixty points, it's because your team got tougher up front. You see when you switch out the PAC sticker for the B1G one, you automatically become tougher. Never question the patch power. Also you must forget that 2021 game ever happened. Ohio State players all had the flu that day.

They'll just assume you don't have the line play, or defensive toughness. SEC fans feel the same way. Forget the fact that Ohio State and Georgia set the Peach Bowl record for points last year at 83, would have been 86 had Ohio State made that field goal to end the game. But don't let facts get in the way of presenting the story. Anybody remember the blackshirts of Nebraska? Or three yards and a cloud of dust between Michigan and Ohio State? Yeah not in my lifetime dudes.

Can you imagine if Sanders actually makes Colorado a force? Think he's aggravating now? It'll set off a wave of copycat hires at places like Miami, Texas, USC. If that happens I don't think I could watch another presser. For the love of humility, please keep that potential lunacy under wraps PAC teams. If Florida continues to struggle and Colorado shines, I can see Stricklin going for a hire like Prime Time. Just no, please no.

With Cal and Stanford going to the ACC, it got me thinking. Every future remaining P4 league has at least two representatives in the PAC. Except one.... I would like an excuse to go up to Oregon and Washington in the Fall. There are two remaining members that would probably take a steep reduced rate to remain in a P4 league..... You see where I'm going here? Let's petition the Sun Belt to get the Beavers and Cougars in!!! No that's not right I said P4. Let's get the SEC to invite two Northwest schools into the league. Forcing Nick Saban into travelling to Pullman in November may just get him to retire. Two straight weeks in the great Northwest in November for the Tide, then the Longhorns the next year. Let's get it done, we need a yearlong battle royale in the PAC. Four B1G and Big 12 teams, and two SEC and ACC teams. Plus I actually wouldn't mind going to a Fall game up in the northwest.

The B1G and Big 12 additions made some sense. Kevin Warren kind of made it necessary to add travel companions for USC and UCLA. He had no love for college football, promptly going back to the NFL after boggling the whole Covid decision, and "Alliance". But whatever, that league has the money to do what they want. Their football league got better, and they got great television markets. The Big 12 was in a fight for survival, they extended their footprint. Added schools they wanted, and got revenge on the PAC for telling them they weren't good enough to merge with two years ago. The ATLANTIC COAST CONFERENCE added two schools on the PACIFIC COAST. Also SMU, a school in Dallas. They didn't make their football conference any better, added no extra revenue, and now have two schools thousands of miles away. They don't have the money or stability the B1G does. They have two members who already want to leave, and have now gone against what North Carolina wanted. Notre Dame got what they wanted though. Still not a member, nor will they join the league. So you just made your three most powerful members even angrier. For what? Unequal distribution, but not more for anyone. Just none for SMU and a very small amount for CAL and Stanford. The ACC isn't long for this world, the SEC is gonna strike in a few years. There aren't any members they want outside the ACC. Same goes for the B2G. My guess is the Big 12 picks the best of the rest after those two get who they want. So Stanford and CAL will once again be the rest, and we all know how they feel about the Big 12. Maybe by then Notre Dame will have to join the B2G, and they'll get invited as a group.

Larry Scott started the fall, Ole George pulled the block that tipped the whole Jenga tower down. Two terrible commissioners in a row took down a 108 year old conference. There were multiple others that played roles, but those two were paid to serve the best interest of every member school. One spent money on extravagant items like a trust fund brat, the other had no gumption to take the bull by the horns. The ultimate yes-man.

Congrats to the Utes! I don't know how good of a win this will be looked upon down the road, but you can only focus on the now in college football. Utah was the better team throughout the game, they have a great home environment, and they play really solid defense. Hopefully their QB Rising can come back soon. They'll need him against all the great QB's in the PAC this year.

T-Minus 1 hr. 47 minutes till the actual real start of college football. Zero week had zero interesting games. I'll look past your statement above because I get why you want your future opponent to be as highly valued as possible, not that anyone in the SEC would ever do such a thing🤥. We have the legendary Graham Mertz under center. That tough Utah defense has no idea what is coming from this future Gator legend/former Badger castoff 😉.

Does he get a parting bonus check if it happens? Guy has done such a great job, he deserves it😂

Fortunately I've gotten to watch more PAC games the last decade since I've moved to Arizona. While the fan support isn't anything close to what I grew up with, I have met some really friendly fans. The year ASU won the South, a random guy at a gas station got so excited that he gave me a very random high five. Paid for the drink I was holding. I was in Anaheim in 2019 and the media was all about the Lakers and Clippers playing an opening season game, or preseason. It was October. So it's very hit and miss. The Rams Super Bowl parade proved that L.A fans have a'lot more interests than their sports teams. The media market in Phoenix is very Suns, Cardinals, Diamondbacks, golf, flower planting, Martha Stewart cooking, ASU and Coyotes oriented. In that order. A'lot of dislike for Michael Crow and Ray Anderson for making ASU athletics an afterthought. Crow is a much more academic oriented leader and he's done a good job raising that profile. Being an FSU alum, I can say ASU was thought of an awesome party school very similar to FSU(very well deserved btw). Crow has changed that perception, he should be commended for that. Anderson on the other hand is just tone deaf. Herm Edwards was paid very well for what he did, which was nothing but gaffe after gaffe. Never creating a pipeline to any local high schools, recruiting violations during covid, practice infractions during covid, current bowl ban. Anderson finally fired him after four years of mistakes, two years too late. Then Anderson falls into the same trap of saying stupid things and making questionable hires. He has no pulse on how to run a college athletics program. He just says stupid things. Then he tries to make it seem like it was just a joke. See his comments on traveling to West Virginia right after joining the Big 12. He said he would never make a trip to Morgantown when asked how he felt about new traveling locations for his sports programs. He would gladly go to Texas, Utah, Colorado etc.. His underlings would go to coaltown USA-(He didn't say the Coaltown part). Crow later posted a photo of him as a track star at ISU, Anderson later posted that he and Wren Baker (WVU AD.) Had a good talk, a good way to curtail the anger of his joking I guess. Oh well. In short I would say as a non PAC fan living in the footprint, that this is the most interesting year to me. Not just because of the chaos, but because I can see several teams winning the conference. Great QB play as well. So I'm gonna enjoy watching the season unfold, I have no rooting interest. I can just enjoy the fun. Outside of Saturday at Utah, I really don't care which team wins on a week to week schedule. May the best team win.

Well now that Boomer has made the picks, no point in playing the games I guess.

I cheer for my team, but I don't boo the opposing side. I don't give them any energy. For one, I think opposing teams take that energy to fuel them. But that's not why I don't boo. It also isn't because I'm afraid of hurting their feelings. Mostly I'm too lazy, and reserved to get that animated for an opponent. Little brothers fascinate on hating big brother, almost more than loving themselves. Auburn hates Alabama, Oregon State hates Oregon. Washington State hates Washington. Iowa State hates Iowa. Oklahoma State hate Oklahoma. Texas A&M hates Texas. UCF hates Florida. I've noticed that Duck fans actually want Oregon State to succeed. Beaver fans are a bit more vitriol when talking about you guys. But to be fair to them, it's easier to blame you for the failure of the league, than see the structure was failing years ago.

The only reason I want the ACC to add Stanford and Cal, is to hold off the eventuality of a P2. Notre Dame can continue it's independence. The Big 12 may decide to pick up Oregon State, and Washington State to get into the Pacific time zone, like Yormark said. I think there are only a handful of teams the SEC, or B1G would look at now. They're all in the ACC. Once Notre Dame joins the B1G, college football has officially become nothing more than NFL lite, like you said. Two twenty team leagues. The B1G is the National Conference. The SEC is the American Conference. Let's hope that day is a ways off. But as far as what we have now, we need to eliminate preseason games. Florida has Utah this week, but we have cupcakes on the backend. Our A.D Stricklin says it's due to having to navigate through a tough SEC stretch, and we need a breather before playing FSU. Every SEC team does this. The B1G has outlawed games against FCS opponents, something the SEC needs to do as well.

I agree, him riding the motorcycle is one of the coolest intros in the sport. LSU has a live tiger, Georgia has a bulldog name Uga. I tried to petition having a live Gator at the Swamp, but it never took off. Something about insurance, or former Tennessee coach Phil Fulmer being afraid. But I just saw that video, decided to ask my friends on here about it. Now I think Puddles is my favorite mascot. That tree still freaks me out though, Stanford needs to outlaw that thing. Stanford Cardinal=Freaky Tree?

A pretty cool history of how you guys got one of the most recognized mascot in the world. Some of your earlier versions were pretty nightmare inducing. Like that Tree at Stanford. Heck that Purdue guy is freaky looking as well. https://images.app.goo.gl/5kHkSMrcEjryAKYm7

As far as why an Oregon should play a Clemson, or any other big OOC game happening. I think that comes down to the wild card entrants into the eventual 16 team playoff. Say Oregon, or Clemson aren't conference champions. Say they finish third or fourth, and the committee has to decide between a highly rated G5 school like Boise, Memphis, or P4 members like Oregon or Clemson. A two or three loss Clemson may get the nod with a good win over Oregon in September. I don't want the G5 to be locked out, but it's highly unlikely three G5 members make it. I realize in my projection that would exclude a Boise from proving themself in an early season OOC. But they could still boost their profile by winning playoff games. Kind of be like a Gonzaga, Xavier, or Butler, have become in basketball. Plus it's a better product. Television dollars right🤣. That's driving everything anyhow.

When Ohio vs San Diego State is the best game of the weekend, you know it's not great. With the expanded playoffs and conferences, I'm hoping for better early season games. You won't have to worry about being undefeated anymore. You can take an early season loss, especially if it is against a good team. Conferences should also move to ten game slates, that goes for the SEC, B1G, Big 12, and ACC. I don't wanna see USC vs San Jose State, even Notre Dame vs Navy. Coming up we have Ohio State playing Kent State, Michigan playing Eastern Michigan. Give us Oregon vs Clemson, Washington vs Tennessee, USC vs FSU, Michigan vs LSU, Wisconsin vs Florida, Penn State vs Georgia, Utah vs Alabama, Texas vs Nebraska. So on, and so on. You can keep Oregon State on Oregon's schedule. Washington State on Washington's. Stanford or Cal vs USC or UCLA. We don't need preseason games in college football. That era needs to die like the BCS era.

Big East tried this a decade ago.. They had lined up Boise and TCU to join up, then Navy. Problem was that Cincy, UCF, USF and UCONN, were the last remnants of the Big East. UCF had only been in a year. What makes the two least valuable, and weakest history wise programs, anything near good enough to be the staple of a P5 league? There just isn't enough equity built up in those two. Keeping the PAC name, branding, just isn't enough. It's got a great history, but no real future.

Well Colin, that should have happened last year. But as you see, they are still part of the PAC. You can't just "nah we good" your way out of a conference title game. Because television money is already invested. In essence the B1G, SEC teams can say they aren't a part of their future conference right? Because both will have new members. The Big 12 could say that as well. So Ohio State, Michigan, USC, Oregon, Alabama, Georgia, Texas, and Oklahoma all have one loss. Each says "nah we good". How's that weekend gonna look? Better yet, how are those lawsuits gonna look? If this happens, you are the lead conspirator Cowherd. We have proof!!!

Washington athletics was in debt. They were more desperate for the money. It can't have felt good to hear about potential dollars, when you are needing funds now. Even at a reduced rate, the B1G was offering about ten million more than the baseline Apple deal. Washington likely knew USC played them for a fool a year ago. Were they gonna sit around and trust that Oregon , and Stanford wouldn't bolt first? They needed money, they knew the B1G could offer them more. The longer they waited, the odds grew that possibly it was the Big 12 lifeboat they would have to take. Oregon wasn't in the same financial straits, but they got blinded last year too. Were they really gonna trust the PAC leaders? I mean Colorado jumped before even hearing about the Apple money. Could they trust Stanford not to backstab them? Would Oregon be as secure if it was the Big 12 lifeboat?

I don't know if this is a good thing or not, but where I'm from, eventually you have to take off the training wheels. You have to grow up, make your own way. If your sibling gets a higher paying job, nicer car, house etc.. That doesn't entitle you to the same perks. I'll say this once again, and it applies to the state trying to tie Oregon to Oregon State, UCLA to California, or Washington to Washington State. One is not obligated to help fund the others sports programs. Arizona State and Arizona got to go together because both offered something valuable. As far as Oregon elevating itself due to superior funding. So what. Phil Knight can donate to Oregon if he wants. Money finances things if you aren't aware. If Ohio had as much money as Ohio State, they would be a much bigger deal. So yes Phil Knight helped elevate Oregon. What is with this thought process in the PAC of sports socialism? Sports isn't essential. The university may benefit from the branding, but sports is non essential. Oregon doesn't need to stay behind to make sure Oregon State has a more prominent place for it's sports teams.

https://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/2023/08/oregon-state-mailbag-ducks-owe-nothing-to-state-of-oregon-ticket-price-concerns-realignment-end-game.html Nick Daschel | The Oregonian/OregonLive Another Oregon State mailbag, where readers provide Beavers-related questions and comments, and The Oregonian/OregonLive’s Nick Daschel gives a response. Here goes: Well Nick, based on several of your comments you have left objectivity behind and left no doubt that you are a Beevur Believer. I am a U of O alum and a Duck fan since birth. The U of O owes nothing to the State of Oregon. It owes nothing to Oregon State University. OSU football has been freeloading in the PAC10/12 for 44 years. One conference Co-Championship in 44 years and last played in the Rose Bowl on January 1, 1965. Their overall record puts them at 106/107 depending on which ranking since they started playing football games. Truly pathetic. As for future Civil War games – the U of O cannot afford to schedule games in 36k stadiums with a meager payday. – Douglas W The U of O owes nothing to the state of Oregon? I was not aware the University of Oregon had become a private school. As for the rest, I’ll just respond with the quote that keeping on giving gifts, from Ducks donor and former athletic director Pat Kilkenny: “Oregon would be in the same soup with the Beavs and Cougs if it weren’t for (Phil Knight).”

You could say Oregon won the final " True" PAC 12 title ever. It's truly the final bow with every original member. It may be the strongest year yet as well. USC, Oregon, Utah, Washington, Oregon State, Washington State, and even a Deion Sanders led Colorado. All except Colorado, should not be shocking to see win the league. I haven't heard as much about UCLA, but a Chip Kelly offense can always post a challenge. Arizona should be better. That really only leaves Cal, Stanford, and ASU as tomato cans. Like I said, I expect Colorado to be the great unknown. They could win two games, they could also be a real pain in the butt, and win up to six games.

Hopefully that game can continue. There is a lot of bitterness right now, perhaps time can heal it. But Oklahoma State, Texas, and BYU stopped playing their main in-state rival due to conference realignment. (Oklahoma State will cease playing Oklahoma after this year according to their coach and AD.) If those hurt feelings stop the rivalry for a while, you could foster an annual date against your northern neighbors. If both programs win, it will become a much bigger nationally known rivalry.