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For those who are Blazer fans. Turning down Knight's offer. Knight would be a terrific NBA owner. He would love the franchise and nurture it. Jody Allen, not so much.
Canzano: Alleged sins of Jody Allen dusted off amid Phil Knight offer for Blazers
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On 7/7/2022 at 5:31 PM, Jester said:
…And while we are pondering, I’m also learning more than I should be regarding conference politics and money matters.
I find myself visiting forums and reading news columns specific to other schools to get their take on recent affairs. I’m linking you to a piece from ‘The News&Observer’ out of North Carolina. UNC fans feel every bit as much in a pickle as we do.
What I kindly ask is for someone to provide an explanation on the reference (in the article) to the number, “six”. Read the piece, and you’ll see what I mean.
Is “six” an arbitrary speculative number, or does it hold weight? I haven’t seen or heard reference to this anywhere but in this article. If it’s just speculative, it doesn’t read that way to me. Then again, I think I’m saturated at this point and need to remove myself from information (fact or fiction) for a little while.
I also like the part where they discuss changing distribution of the revenue. Creating a tier system giving those schools (like Oregon) who have done more of the heavy lifting and carried the leagues brand to be entitled to a higher percentage cut.
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On 7/7/2022 at 10:43 AM, Charles Fischer said:
He is a 5-Star on Rivals, and could certainly boost the recruiting for the Ducks. He is on the show sometime between 9:00 and 10:00 AM...Whew!
Sorry, which show he is going to be on? Never mind, on ESPN
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On 7/7/2022 at 3:30 PM, Jester said:
A source told SwimSwam that Virginia, UNC, FSU, and Clemson are negotiating to join the SEC as ESPN attempts to void their 20-year...
If that is the case, maybe Oregon and Washington along with Notre Dame and one other school will get the invite to join Big 10?
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I do like when Canzano asked Biggins if USC/UCLA departure will hurt Oregon's recruiting in Southern California?. He thinks it will not close any doors. He said those kids were choosing Oregon because they loved Oregon, the coaching, etc.
Not sure if this is possible, but maybe the Pac 12 should try and poach some of the Big12 schools that will bring in the most viewerships/cities? loosely contract with ACC. Maybe that might be the best option if Oregon can't get into the BIG or SEC at this time.
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We're stuck in college football television hell. On-field performance and tradition don't matter nearly as much as the television footprint of your team. It's a network war and universities are going to be the casualties.
Canzano: Pac-12 -- and the rest of us -- caught in a battle over your television
WWW.JOHNCANZANO.COMSilver-lining playbook unveiled. -
Here's Hoping MOORE Becomes A DUCK! Maybe YOUNG as Well? Would be Icing on the Cake!
Go Ducks! Fly High!
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On 7/6/2022 at 6:35 PM, David Marsh said:
Id Fresno state and San Diego state want to join then they get a smaller cut... Which would still be a whole lot bigger than what they get from the mountain west right now.
As much as I am not happy with the situation with the conference, if we are looking at MW schools (groan), SJSU. Student enrollment around 36,000. The media market is in the San Jose/San Francisco/Oakland area as we all know ranked 6. Fresno media market is 54. UNLV, tier 1 research university, media market ranked 40, enrollment of 30,000.
Again, not sure what is best, join Big 12 or loosely contract with ACC? I know we all would prefer the BIG or SEC. I was so hoping Oregon with Phil Knight's help would be able to pull off Oregon's entry into the BIG, but from what Jon Wilner's sources are saying, it doesn't look like it will be happening.
I agree as well, Oregon should get a bigger cut of the pie if we are to keep the conference together.
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Welcome McDawg!
Since you asked, did a little research and put together a bit of history surrounding our mascot. "Oregon teams were originally known as Webfoots started around the 1890s. Ducks, with their webbed feet, began to be associated with Oregon's teams in the 1920s, and live duck mascots were adopted to represent the team. White duck named "Puddles" began to appear at sports events."
"Beginning in 1940, cartoon drawings of Puddles in student publications began to resemble Donald Duck, and by 1947, Walt Disney was aware of the issue. Oregon athletic director, Leo Harris capitalized on his friendship with Disney cartoonist Mike Royer, met Disney and reached an informal handshake agreement that granted Oregon permission to use Donald as its sports mascot, naming him Donald Duck."
"Disney lawyers later questioned the agreement in the 1970s. but Oregon produced a photo showing Harris and Disney wearing matching jackets with an Oregon Donald logo. Relying on the photo as evidence of Disney's wishes, in 1973, both parties signed a formal agreement granting the university the right to use Donald's likeness as a symbol for (restricted to) Oregon sports."
Photo below shows Leo Harris (left center) and Walt Disney (far right).
"In 2010, Disney and the university reached an agreement that removed the costumed Oregon Duck mascot from its association with the Donald trademark, and allowed the "Duck" to make more public appearances (not restricted to certain sporting events)."
"The mascot in graphic art, which is more similar to Donald Duck than the rounder head and body of the costume, is still covered by the trademark agreement."
"In 1978, a student cartoonist came up with a new duck image called Mandrake, but students chose Donald (Duck) as the official mascot by 2-to-1 margin." Thank goodness! Mandrake (or RoboDuck) was not a good fit.
Our mascot the Duck, through the years, has become one of the better known mascots in College Sports.
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On 7/6/2022 at 12:59 PM, Log Haulin said:
Oregon, IMO, should should hitch their wagon to B?G or the SEC. The progr'm Oregon has been striving to become lines up best in those two conferences.
I would love to see Oregon in the SEC. I think Ducks level up immediately. If I look at the recruits Oregon is pursuing. A lot of them are SEC kids that have Oregon in their top ?# with SEC behemoths.
If all possible, best options is BIG or SEC.
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Canzano: Pac-12 getting itself back out there after being burned
WWW.JOHNCANZANO.COMClemson vs. Utah, anyone? Miami vs. Oregon?
The Pac-12 appears to be moving toward a loose partnership or some kind of entanglement with the ACC right now. Here's hoping ND makes a decision soon with the Big 10!
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Yes!! Welcome to the Flock Presley!!
Go Ducks, Fly High!
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If that happens
On 7/5/2022 at 8:43 PM, David Marsh said:Some other interesting news and rumors out there... there is talk about not wanting to add Oregon and Washington to the B1G as full members because some current members are concerned it would reduce their cut of the media rights.
I think it is interesting because I do think Oregon and Washington would be net positives to the B1G in the long run and there is some dead weight already in the B1G.
Looking at Rutgers, Indiana and Maryland in particular. Those three programs are certainly worth less than Oregon and Washington but I could see the fear that they get less money with the addition of two more programs.
So at what point does the conference or FOX look at booting teams from the conference that are drags on the revenue stream?
If that happens, at what point should Oregon and Washington push to be given full members payment? Not right to put that on Oregon and Washington when, what you said, certain members of the BIG 10 are a drain. Oregon and Washington makes money for the BIG while other members don't. I can see where they would want to drop the dead weight. Nasty business.
Maybe BIG 10 and FOX looks to bring in more streaming partners to rake in more money.
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On 7/5/2022 at 7:03 PM, OregonDucks said:
Another article linked below, lists out the options:
1) Join the B1G (author thinks this will only happen if Notre Dame accepts)
2) Merge or form partnership with ACC
3) Merge or form partnership with Big-12
4) Form a super conferences with top teams from Pac, ACC, Big-12 (least likely given complexity but might be the best option, other than #1)
Agree! Other than #1, really would love to see option #4 happen.
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On 7/5/2022 at 5:35 PM, McDawg said:
As a point of interest: Oklahoma and Texas petitioned the SEC for admission. They weren't poached.
i believe that is correct.
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Let's face it, the schools in the MW conference are not going to cut it as far as a new PAC goes in media market value. SDS in the San Diego area media market value sits at 28. UNLV, Las Vegas market value sits at 40.
I still believe getting into the Big 10 or SEC is the best scenario for Oregon. Hopefully with Knight's influence could make it happen. If not the Big 10 or SEC, it's better to combine with the Big 12.
Not sure what George has in mind that will make the PAC relevant. But like OregonDucks said, it would be interesting to see what he comes up with.
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According to Canzano Phil Knight apparently wants Oregon to be part of the Big Ten Conference. Or even the SEC.
Both options are currently being explored by the Ducks with Knight's backing. Another would be Oregon assuming a tentpole position in a blended, ESPN-backed version of the Pac 12 and Big 12.
So it seems all 3 options are still on the table as possible plans they are exploring.
Canzano: Oregon Ducks make a wish list, while Pac-12 rallies behind scenes
WWW.JOHNCANZANO.COMDucks covet Big Ten or SEC invite.-
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Ok, not sure if this got posted or not somewhere on one of the threads. Some questions and answers about the PAC 12 and Oregon from Canzano. Of course no one knows anything at this point, but some thoughts from him on the matter.
Canzano: Mailbag deals with Pac-12's future, Oregon-Washington decision... and hotdogs
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Good for the ACC. Someone has to stand up to the bullies and draw the line in the sand!
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On 7/4/2022 at 3:20 PM, Steven A said:
What if ....
It is in Oregon's best interest to shed the Pac and separate itself from OSU; and
The state legislature blocks the move based upon being in the same educational system; and
Oregon then withdraws from the state system and goes private?
I think the idea of going private was tossed around a few years ago based upon less then 20% of the budget coming from the state coffers. Well, we have an alum, or alums, who could easily foundationally fund the difference.
Let's hope the politicians stay out of it.
We've already have suffered enough.
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On 7/4/2022 at 11:27 AM, Annie said:
Just last night I heard a radio guy (Cody somebody) saying that USC was making a good move because they had no big games against PAC-12 teams, except maybe UCLA and the Bruins are going to the Big 10 too. He pooh-pooh USC vs. Oregon games, not seeming to realize that Oregon is 11-6 over USC since 1998
Praising USC for this great move, unbelievable.
Well, let's praise them for making the PAC-12 carried their's and UCLA's dead carcasses around for many years. Let's praise USC for bringing down the PAC-12's perception for many years because they sucked in sports. Let's praise them for giving the BIG PAC12's biggest media market. Yes, let's praise them for helping destroy the PAC-12. Let's also praise them for helping destroy the tradition rich Rose bowl, the Grand Daddy of them ALL
The issue is UCLA was their equal in competitiveness, they were both more in the middle of the PAC, not the top.
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I couldn't finish the article without
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On 7/4/2022 at 8:58 AM, BUBearsFan72 said:
I agree with everything you say. I just wonder after adding these 4 Pac 12 schools if it would make sense to hold until any possibility of adding some ACC ones when the SEC and ACC pull some away. It would be interesting to see a poll of current Big 12 schools but I would be if the questions were asked, "Which Pac 12 team would you be most excited about adding" the answer would be Oregon. Oregon has done a great job building it's brand and the Nike relationship is incredible. We could ensure every team in the new conference has Nike contracts. : ) I read something about how Apple had considered buying Disney in the past who owns ESPN. Maybe moves like this will be made that open more doors. If we end up in a new conference like this I think we have to be much more creative with media and corporate contracts. The Big 12 announced a new commissioner the day before the announcement that UCLA and USC were leaving. Interesting timing. He has alot of big time experience with sports contracts including the largest one in North America (if I remember correctly) with NASCAR. He is also said to be incredibly well connected in the media world. We'll see. Man I would love to have the Ducks in our conference!!
Brett Yormark is a great get for the conference as commissioner! You need someone like him who has this kind of experience and creativeness to broker a new media rights deal that can get the conference the most money as possible for the universities. I am looking forward for your conference to be very successful and vital in light of what is happening.
You will also have the Denver market (ranked 17) with Colorado and Salt Lake City (as you mentioned) with Utah as well with BYU. Great rivalry between Utah and BYU! Not sure what is happening with Washington (great rivalry with our Ducks) or with Stanford and CAL. Stanford and CAL of course in the Bay area which ranks 6.
At this moment we are all in the dark as far as where our Beloved Ducks will land. We are trusting Oregon will make the right decision moving forward.
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On 7/4/2022 at 2:53 AM, Nautique Duck said:
My worry is we are all assuming status quo or improved playoff situation. It could go the other way, too. They may have sec and B1G have guaranteed spots (or two) but make ACC, pac 10 and big 12 have to fight for the other 2 with any cincinatis as second tier citizens. If they have all the money, they are going to make the rules in a revised playoff
I know I posted this on a different thread on here, but worth reading from Dan Wetzel at Yahoo Sports. The way things are trending and what is happening in conference realignment, He stated the other conference could be relegated to group of 5 status when it comes to the playoffs. Whether he is right or not, it's concerning.
Maybe a PAC/Big12 combo, it all depends where Oregon and Washington lands, could change what he is saying. I have to say it would be great if the ACC/PAC/Big12 could combine with the best schools in each conference would make a third super conference with clout. But, to make that happen would be very difficult to accomplish if at all.
Pac-12, ACC had chance to save themselves. Instead, it was an all-time botch job.
SPORTS.YAHOO.COMJust like that the Pac-12 and ACC moved closer to the AAC and Mountain West than the Big Ten and SEC. And they can't blame anybody but themselves.-
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Canzano: Alleged Sins of Jody Allen Dusted Off Amid Phil Knight Offer for Blazers
in Our Beloved Ducks
Posted · Edited by NJDuck
If that's true, it's a shame she is wanting to do that. Turning down a 2 billion dollar plus offer. I could be wrong, but I don't think she will get a better offer than this!