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As a little nugget in the AP ranking, the 63 voters range from No. 4 to No. 13. The lone vote at No. 13 is the UW beat writer at the Seattle Times. A graduate of UW, and student paper sports editor while he was there.

The offensive play at the goal line that lost the game for UDub was partial karma for that fourth down dud last year that Lanning called vs UDub.

The box score says there were 57,000 for the Apple Cup in a 68,000 stadium. Last week the Huskies had 64,000 at home for E. Michigan. A big win for WSU that apparently a bunch of WSU fans refused to attend.

Prior to this game, in 2024 season, Oregon State was 7th best nationally in third down conversions....this game 6 of 9. Prior to this game, Oregon State was 4th in shortest distance needed to convert a third down. In this game it seems like most of their thirds are 3 yds or under. Prior to this game, Oregon State led nation in time of possession. 20:54 vs 9:06 (Oregon) in first half.

For those who don't remember.....Ashford: Oregon>Auburn>S. Carolina Apparently revised kick off time in Eugene: 12:45

Bummer. Wisconsin starting QB goes out with injury on first possession. Knee injury with what was a very minimal contact by 'bama. Early reports, he won't return. Badgers lead 3-0 essentially because they got field position based on the injured QB's running.

To make the 2024 and 2025 games work, Oregon had to rewrite its three-game contract with Boise State. The Ducks were scheduled to play the Broncos in Eugene in 2024 and 2026, and at Boise State in 2025. The 2025 game was dropped to accommodate the OSU series. In addition, Oregon had to buy its way out of a game against Hawaii. It cost Oregon an additional $2.8 million to change the deals in order to play the Oregon State games in 2024 and 2025. Ducks play nine conference games and three nonconference games. Oregon already has a full slate of nonconference games for 2026, 2027 and 2028: 2026: Boise State, at Oklahoma State, Portland State. 2027: Eastern Washington, at Baylor, Utah State 2028: North Dakota State, Baylor, at Utah State For 2026, the obvious game to move or buy out is Portland State. But, a nonconference schedule of Boise State, Oklahoma State and Oregon State is a tough ask. Moreover, the Ducks would be looking at playing two nonconference road games in 2026 or 2027 if they play the Beavers. More at that link.

Is Oregon State vs. Oregon football series due for a pause following 2025 season? WWW.OREGONLIVE.COM The Beavers and Ducks play for the 128th time Saturday, but next year's game could be the last for a while because of financial hurdles.

To balance the Oram stuff, read the Mike Vorel column in the Seattle Times about the "new Pac." Excerpt: But why does it feel underwhelming? Because the Pac-12 as you knew it is probably never coming back. Because life at a lower rung seems disappointingly permanent. More of his perspective there. Personally, I don't think the Pac will take more Mt. West schools unless they run out of alternatives. I think their strategy is to use the money they got from the Escaping Ten to buy "the best teams" from other conferences. For example, Memphis, Tulane, UTSA from The American. Why? Simply in an effort to eliminate competition for the CFP slot. The top 5 ranked conference champions get a slot. If you can eliminate the ability for other conferences such as The American, or Sunbelt, to have their champion ranked above the Pac leader then you accomplish the goal. If they do that, then they really only have to worry about the MAC conference champion.

Wolken speaks some truth while OSU/WSU are busy sticking their fingers into the frosting on a year old cake. Good link for everyone to read. Dennis Dodd can be a Big12 apologist and curmudgeon, but Wolken generally seems a bit more neutral. And, he seems to nail this.

CSU leads that series 10-6. Kinda surprised at that ratio. 6-2 in last 8. Obviously I'm not an expert on Colo State or Fresno, but still I would have guessed Fresno might have the edge similar to their 8-6 vs Oregon St. OSU vs WSU (48-57-3) Boise State (6-4) San Diego State (5-2) Fresno St (6-8) Colorado St (1-2) and, if add: UNLV (2-3) Air Force (0-0)

According to Yahoo Sports' Ross Dellenger, the Pac-12 "is mobilizing its long-discussed plan to rebuild the league with additions from the Mountain West." In particular, per Dellenger, the Pac-12 is targeting the Boise State Broncos, San Diego State Aztecs, Colorado State Rams, and Fresno State Bulldogs as additions to their conference. The Pac-12 board is expected to approve the deal with these four schools by the end of the week. Dellenger says that Boise State, San Diego State, Colorado State, and Fresno State "are expected to soon apply or have already applied for membership into the conference." With that, the soonest all four programs could join the Pac-12 would be in 2026. My add...the conference needs to get to 8 members. Rumors are running pretty hot on Wednesday night that it will likely be UNLV and Air Force from the Mt. West. And/or Texas San Antonio and another Texas based school such as North Texas or Rice. Those combos would give "the Pac" potential TV markets: Spokane (Seattle?), Portland, San Diego, Boise, Fresno, Denver...and possibly adding Vegas, Colorado Springs, San Antonio and Dallas.

I appreciate the RESPECTFUL diversity of opinion on this topic. I'm sure Charles agrees. I do think it points out that there is not an overwhelming majority who believe the non-conference Civil War should be retained at all costs. Nor, a majority to ditch it. I would just hate to see Oregon trapped into an annual game at the expense of the potential of seeing other Power 4 programs inside Autzen. Oklahoma St and Oklahoma are not currently scheduled to play since OU is going to the SEC. OSU instead has Oregon, Arkansas, Nebraska and Alabama taking that slot. And, unlike Oregon, Okie State doesn't have to worry as much about scheduling for proximity to recruiting territories. Those two are a bus ride 80 miles apart in Okie Land. UW has WSU scheduled through 2028. Then in 2029-30, they have a home-and-home with Tennessee. To me, it would make a better schedule to have WSU in 2029-30, and other Power 4 opponents in 2025-28. I think UW may have allowed itself to get caught in the "sympathy trap."

Perhaps...there are some parallels to Dabo Swinney's first few years at Clemson? A couple poor teams, then some good teams, then a couple great ones. A different time, a different place, a different conference, high school recruiting based, but a first time head coach, who had to grow into the job a bit.

Today's Oregonian The Beavers can only dink and doink their way to so many wins, but, so far, the dinking and doinking has been successful. “I’ve got to be smart,” Gunderson said. “My loyalty is to the team. And what’s most important to the team is winning. It’s not numbers or stats. So you’ve got to kind of feel how the game’s played and go with it.” “It definitely gets me pretty stoked,” running back Hankerson said of Jeanty’s (Boise State) outing. “It kind of gets me pumped just to see that. We’re definitely going to be running the ball a lot, obviously, that’s the key to our offense. If we come out, play our brand of football, we leave victorious and Reser goes wild.”

When Oregon "unscheduled" Tex Tech and moved the Boise State game (giving BSU more money) so OSU would have a home game this season, it was a charitable mistake. Likewise, it would be a charitable mistake to keep them on the schedule every year. In future years when there will be four Big Ten home games instead of 5, the Ducks will need another home game to go along with their program of FCS and G5 home games. I just hope we don't have to endure seeing Beavis every season in that slot when there are so many more attractive opponents for home-and-home. The routine of traveling to the Bay Area or Phoenix, or Salt Lake, is not significant in comparison to a "bus ride." It helps attract kids from those areas, and helps in maintaining contacts with area high school coaches.

Of their 150 offensive plays this season, the Beavers have run the ball 109 times. Only Army (114), Central Florida (111) and UNLV (111) have more rushing plays than OSU. UCF and Army are the only FBS teams to produce more first downs rushing than Oregon State’s 38. The Beavers are the country’s biggest ball hogs. OSU’s average time of possession is 39 minutes, 18 seconds, tops among FBS schools. Oregon State has thrown 41 passes, all but five by starting quarterback Gevani McCoy. The fourth-year junior is 25 of 36 for 295 yards and two touchdowns. McCoy has shown a strong, accurate arm, as the two deep balls (40+ yards) he’s thrown have hit the receiver in the hands. McCoy has only been sacked once. Passing: 28 of 41, 331 yds Rushing: 109, 599 yds net Average 3rd Down Distance - Offense (least Yards to Go) 1 Rutgers 3.6 2 Northern Illinois 4.2 3 Oregon State 4.8 3rd down conversions: 16 of 30 6 rushing TDs, 2 passing TDs, 59 pts including 1 FG

Playing in the Bay Area, or a flight to Salt Lake or Phoenix is not too much more significant in travel than rambling up to Corvallis. Plus, you have the benefit of contacts in the West for recruiting. The Ducks garner nothing by playing in Corvallis. Now, if the Beavis falls to FCS status, and takes the place of an FCS opponent, so the Ducks can still schedule a 10th opponent from a major conference, it might work. But, having the Beavis take the annual slot away from playing a major opponent home-and-home just does not feel good.

I'm sure you were tongue in cheek....but, "targeted recruiting areas: ASU, Cal/Stanford, Utah/BYU, Texas areas" will continue to be a priority that needs to be met by regular games involving athletes in those areas.

The following week is a bye week. I would rather the Ducks be "fine tuning" the offense and defense than wallowing in defeat for two weeks. But, getting their s**t together this week should be No. 1 priority.

Every year in football is just too much. As a 10th FBS/Power4 program would rather see programs in targeted recruiting areas: ASU, Cal/Stanford, Utah/BYU, Texas areas. Perhaps OSU every 5 years? Following home-and-home with 2 area targeted programs.

So, also meant to add, if the slot is always taken by Oregon State, then how does that affect recruiting in places like Phoenix, Salt Lake City, Bay Area/Sacramento. Those areas have been sources of good players for the Ducks, and families have known they will likely see their kids come home as a visitor for games, or on TV. I would rather see the Ducks schedule former Pac12 teams from those areas than playing OSU every season. Iowa is similar to Oregon in lack of great high school players. I bet the Iowa staff would rather be playing home and home with Baylor, Tex Tech, TCU, Houston than locked into a non-conference game with Iowa State. Since they play 9 Big Ten games, then a 10th game against Iowa St, it is unreasonable to expect an 11th game with a Power 4 replacing the G5 slot.

I would prefer NOT to play OSU every year in non-conference. It limits visits by teams from Power 4 conferences. For example, take a look at Iowa's recent non-conference. They play Iowa State every year non-conference. Leads to some grumpy fans who would like to see occasional visitors such as Missouri, Kansas St, a Texas school to benefit recruiting, etc. Many years a FCS and G5, plus Iowa State. 2024: Illinois St, Troy 2023: Utah St, Western Michigan 2022: S. Dakota St, Nevada 2021: Kent St, Colorado St 2019: Miami (OH), Middle Tenn 2018: N. Illinois, N. Iowa 2017: Wyoming, N. Texas 2016: Miami (OH), N. Dakota St 2015: Illinois St, Pitt – the most recent year Iowa played a Power 5 Oregon 2024: would have been Tex Tech 2023: at Tex Tech 2022: at Georgia, BYU 2021: at Ohio St 2019: at Auburn 2018: - none 2017: Nebraska 2016: at Nebraska 2015: at Mich State 2014: Michigan State 2013: at Virginia 2012: - none

Apparently the Ducks and Beavis will NOT play in women's basketball this season, though the Ducks will host WSU in early December.