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Yeah yeah yeah... I'd take the points. Hard to admit that now, and I really thought DL should have kicked the FG the first time. Question for you though: can you absolutely assure OBD would have won the game? If so, I'll call you mid game a lot this year, we can make a ton of money - I'm in Vegas after all. Washington was lights out all day, and FGs didn't feel like they were going to cut it based on what the Fuskies were doing ( and guess what - they didn't kick a FG all game - and they ran a fourth down on their own 35 because frankly- they felt the exact same thing - TDs were the only option ) The game was about playing aggressively against an aggressive opponent. Not to mention, if you score 30 plus points a game, you're supposed to win the damn game. Missed opportunities or not. Every pundit criticizes Lanning about those decisions. Guess who every pundit is talking about among the elite coaches? Bad decision Dan.
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Very tough to meet or exceed the performance of any position group of both those units. They were simply an exceptional group of defenses. That said, my take is perception. Bama "pierced the bubble" so to speak. Jalen Milroe played far better than expected last year, and that is probably why that's the perceived foible. I've always thought SEC scheduling, and frankly the talent gap between the elite and the rest drives perception of the conference. UGA will earn their chops this year. But they are best suited to run the table in what I see is the first time the elite are going to have to really earn their stripes. The SEC did a great job with the schedule. Party because this year the conference is has more really good teams than they've had for quite awhile( my opinion of course). Overall, the only champions I've seen compared to the 21' and 22' Champs are the 95 Nebraska team. Your Dawgs were practically flawless. It's unfair to compare the 24 team to those two.
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This Recruit IS Focused on NIL, and it is a Bidding War...
Mike West replied to Charles Fischer's topic in Our Beloved Ducks
I think Lanning gets it. College football really is NFL lite. But you can acquire more first round draft picks in college. Freshman AND experienced players. If Lanning wins the Big Ten title this year (no matter what he does in the playoffs), he'll always be able to stack the right mixture of talent. If he goes to the Playoff Semifinals (Conference Title or not), he'll eventually acquire enough talent to raise a trophy or two. Recruiting is a long game these days. -
New Uniform Sneak Peak! Return Of The Stormtrooper?
Mike West replied to Babyjesus615's topic in Our Beloved Ducks
I like the mix so far. Especially if they do go with a stormtrooper all white. I'm more of a fan of mixed colored jerseys over pants ( ie the ones Brooks introduced), so I'm hoping for a mix of apple green pants to a white jersey also ( with the chrome winged helmets- I like those better with the green pants). I'm wondering how many versions they'll eventually go with. I hope they'll keep the throwback home package also. And when we win the Natty ( and I believe we will), I want Green and Yellow stamped in the world's head. That would be a great tribute to Brooks putting us in the spotlight forever. -
Jon, My greatest hope is that if the P2 separate, it's done gradually enough that the majority of college fans will get used to a 2 or 3 loss Alabama or Georgia (SEC fans) because the quality of games are so awesome that 10 million fans are watching those games every week. I agree, the non conference schedules are a joke now. At least this year the elite have to show who they are during the season instead of being exposed in the post season (Michigan is a prime example of that- I didn't take them seriously until they smacked Nebraska, knew they'd beat Ohio State, but I was impressed when they took the game from Alabama in the Rose Bowl- that should not be the case).
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My dear friend Mr. FishDuck , I've been for the Demise of the PAC12 since before USC left. I have already listed EVERY SEC and B1G marquee matchups for the season (ACC and Big 12 pivotal games too). My real question is will Oklahoma State fans? Will Pittsburgh fans? I'm quite certain Duck Nation would lament the landscape had we gone to the Big 12, or worse accepted that ridiculous streaming offer. I'm concerned CFB going to try to compete with the NFL. Bad career move ( my opinion of course). That would reflect in the next contract. Power for the sake of power is never good. I don't mind the Power 2 dictating terms. I just don't want to see the sport change so radically the fans lose interest. I don't lament the changes, I just believe CFB is a distinct product and should stay that way. If the power two break away, I want to see The Big versus the SEC in the playoffs - not some AFC/NFC thing. That's college football. To me of course. The less we resemble the NFL the better.
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How many LA fa s are going to watch a perennial 8-4 USC product? How many CFB fans are going to watch Bama, UGA and Ohio State in the title game each year? How long will it be before fans stop watching because Ohio State got $125M a year before the playoffs and Maryland got $40M? What if that resulted in only 32-48 schools being able to field college football teams? I like the idea of USC at Michigan every three years or so. Will the average college football fan? Just so Michigan and USC can finance a team like the NFL does? I'm not sure these guys grasp the tone of the country at present. People are tired of elites destroying traditions. The best thing that can happen to College Football this year is if Utah hosts and SEC powerhouse in the snow on Friday- the very first expanded playoff game-and wins in a walk off fashion. Then Georgia and/ or Ohio State gets upset. People believe in justice and fairness. They aren't going to feel like supporting a corporate takeover of college football. I know the South and the Midwest will love it. Is that a large enough fan base to create a $6B superleague?
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U$C Loses Their No. 1 Recruit, More to Follow?
Mike West replied to Steven A's topic in Our Beloved Ducks
I'm not as impressed with Edge rushers anyway. For my money, the Tackles and inside linebackers are more essential - especially ILBs that can cover the field sideline to sideline - and are awesome in pass coverage all over the field. Blitz packages - at least in my mind- are more important than specialists. I want a DE or OLB that can seal the edge. That's their purpose. The NFL ruined the game when they overhyped Lawrence Taylor, a generational linebacker with skills few will ever match. -
Is Your Duck Heart REALLY That Sensitive?
Mike West replied to Charles Fischer's topic in Our Beloved Ducks
I personally want to see USC and the Fuskies in the fold along with us EVERY YEAR . The conference needs the elite depth to challenge the SEC. It would also mean that conference wouldn't be hoggin all the talent. Regarding this year, the schedule is too tough for a debut in a physical conference like the B1G, and I see a 10-2 year. I like that because in my mind, that's one less elite team to play before the playoffs start, as I see either Penn State or Michigan playing Ohio State for the conference title. That makes it a sixteen game season, but two of the playoff games are matchups we can handle, and should win. I believe it's going to take another year for Lanning to get over the hump, and the 2025 recruiting year is key. I'll discuss further into the season for my line of reasoning, as I see some things that lend me to believe this year will be very good, not quite awesome...yet. -
Oregon’s Will Stein Offense: Power Runs Deep
Mike West replied to FishDuck Article's topic in Our Beloved Ducks
Wow. I'm surprised this article didn't get much attention. The year we lost to Stanford in Eugene, David Shaw used this concept. The reason he did so was because two very productive NFL players- Deforest Buckner and Arik Armstead- were too powerful to block one on one. So Shaw overwhelmed that power with numbers. DC Nick Allioti eventually switched up against that formation in the second half and shut down the Cardinal offense- too little too late, because Shaw also has a chef surprise for Chip's offense - and Chip fell for the bait. Michigan and Ohio State did the same thing to each other last year, and Michigan uses this formation regularly. Stein is a student of the game. That is why I hope he stays in Eugene until OBD win a Natty. The other surprising aspect of defending this formation is no DC wants to counter it by stacking the line of scrimmage. I personally would force the OC to pass the ball by putting seven or eight on the LOS with strict rules for pass coverage. But that's me. I'm just a hack. What I did like with the picture of the formation on the two yard line was Lupoi at least had four down lineman, and two defenders on each edge. It's the first time I've seen him do that. Again, I'm putting seven on the LOS, with at least five in a two point stance. But again that's just me. I'm sure more people will pay attention to these concepts when the season starts. I'm excited because I'm seeing Lanning's staff has already discussed getting more prepared for the physical nature of the Big Ten, and it's clear they have already been preparing for it. By the way, the elite SEC coaches are already doing this. James Franklin and Penn State don't play Michigan this year, but if he had stacked the LOS against the Wolverines the past two years, they would have had a much better chance of defeating Michigan (my opinion of course). So fun to get into the weeds Mr. FishDuck!!! -
Well, Hush My Grits! (CFP Playoff Sites & Dates)
Mike West replied to Jon Joseph's topic in Our Beloved Ducks
Well, It sure did stink in 2003 when USC embarrassed Auburn in Death Valley and had to share the National Title with LSU. USuC would've shut down the SEC's ascent with a good ole butt whipping that year. Ironically, Les Miles called out USC in 2005, but dated not challenge the Trojans to a straight up game to start that season - knowing full well ISC was better than any SEC team. I don't think it was a bad idea. It's just too bad Dennis Dixon tore his knee up in 2007 and jettisoned our first shot at a Natty we surely would have earned that year (ah, injuries...killed two our our best shots as I believe would have hung with Ohio State had we had both our starting WRs in 2014). Besides, do you think we'd still have a conference AND the traditional Rose Bowl matchup given the changes we've witnessed in just the past two years? I propose a toast to Arizona State President Michael Crow. Author of the single best quote to ever to come out of a PAC12 President: something to the effect "the status quo in the conference is excellent!!!" Hip hip hooray. -
If the economy had fallen off the cliff before Obama took office, this would have happened ten years ago. And didn't it bother you that TV ratings weren't off the charts during the COVID disaster? Once the kids starting suing the NCAA it should have been obvious to all of us change was coming. DirecTV was the canary in the coal mine. And the ACC was merely a recovering Big East. Or really a shell of that conference. I just can't justify paying a team like Syracuse $60 million George Washingtons because they're associated with Clemson. Twelve Million Abraham Lincolns tell me you gotta carry your own weight - or at least enough to help pay the bills. C Suite Larry was ahead of his time. You need six or more name brands to carry a conference. Preferably ten. People just don't watch enough college football to justify giving 70 teams $60 million a year each.
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Ducks Come in at Number Two in QB Rooms Per Pro Football Focus
Mike West replied to Steven A's topic in Our Beloved Ducks
IDK how many of you watched the Spring Games this year. I actually would put Texas and Alabama ahead of OBD based on performance. However, I believe that is because at both programs, as well as Georgia, their QBs had the benefit of knowing their respective systems ( actually at Bama, their WRs) for more than a year. That will change come October, and early November ( when we can revisit DG's performance). Dante Moore is going to be really, really good. But he is going to fight tooth and nail to start next year , so depth wise, Oregon rivals all three schools. OBD are in the best situation ever at QB, and it will be up to coach Lanning to keep his talented depth the way Georgia and Bama have for nearly a decade. The backup QBs at all four schools are good enough to start at Ohio State and Michigan this year. That's how good they are. I really can't wait till we start getting trolled by Buckeye and Wolverine fans ( trust me it's coming- Ohio State fans already recognize we're a threat to their recruiting treadmill). They would disagree with my assessment on the backups. Trust me, all four schools are in better shape than UM and tOSU at present. At least at the QB position. Now, if we could keep Will Stein for another 3-4 years... -
It hasn't been kids getting a free education for decades. Not to mention coaches started being mercenaries over a decade ago. If purity is what you're looking for, Harvard, Penn, Howard and Gambling have much to offer. You can dream for days past, but again, we were in High School when that ended ( if you're a grey beard like most here). I know this personally, because I talked directly to many a Fusky when I attended Washington. Players got "deals". And let's remember Don James got probation for his efforts. He wasn't the first, or the last. It's either the schools generate much more revenue, or college sports are dead. All of them. Now, I was a pretty damn good intramural football player ( 2 titties, one as a freshman, one as a junior), but the biggest crowd we got was two hundred folks. That's the future if you get your wishes. So my question for you is, is purity really that important to you? I love college football. I want to see Toledo at Akron on TV still because it's like watching Creswell at Oakridge, you know, those kids that aren't talented enough to play at OBD or USuck. You know, the kind of scenario you want college football to be That's going away unfortunately. And so will all of college football if we don't see investment from Venture Capital ( remember the PAC12 was offered that nearly ten years ago), and corporate sponsorship. I hate to preach, but it's absolutely necessary. The good old days weren't always good and tomorrow ain't as bad as it seems. So Bye Bye Miss American Pie...you have a choice to make.
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Two things stand out about Sanders that concern me most: He doesn't visit the players he recruits, and his strategy for acquiring talent is better suited for the NFL ( portal recruiting over High School recruiting). His style and manner don't bother me. I wouldn't promote my program in the fashion he does, but that's just me. Sanders is a Brand. Sanders is a lot like Chip. He hates the adulation these kids get, and he doesn't believe they deserve it ( I completely agree). Unfortunately, coaches have to buy in a little to the hype. Relationships are key to successfully building an elite college football program. I doubt Sanders elevates to elite coaching status. He's a smoother form of Willie Taggert, but he cares about the kids more ( if that makes any sense). He doesn't quite grasp the nuance of melding a cult personality with developing a high performance organization.
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My opinion? There can be no comparison to the damage USC did to the conference. They shot down TWO proposals that would have allowed the conference to thrive. USC basically changed the entire fabric of college football in actuality. Their greed singlehandedly destroyed the PAC12. Such poetic justice the B1G brought us along to destroy their legacy forever (although quite frankly, an elite USC would make the B1G as great as the SEC in my opinion).
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Move the Goalpost: Who Changed Your Opinion Most?
Mike West replied to FishDuck Article's topic in Our Beloved Ducks
Get ready to laugh guys... Dumb (Willie Taggert) and Dumber (Mario(o) Cristobal) had the greatest impact on the program. Taggert broke the glass ceiling ( no no that one), when he declared Oregon CAN recruit elite talent. He assembled an ensemble that recruited well, and to top it off, brought in a DC that could coach the elite talent they brought in. He was DUMB ENOUGH TO WALK AWAY FROM THE #3 RECRUITING CLASS NATIONWIDE TO PURSUE HIS ULTIMATE DREAM. Cristobal, one of the key recruiters on Taggert's staff, salvaged a decent recruiting class, then butchered one of the best, if not the absolute best offense in Oregon History. Furthermore, in an even DUMBER MOVE, Mari (o) left one of the best Oregon Defenses in history to dry because he abandoned Taggert's offense. Cristobal was even dumber to follow Taggert's path and pursue HIS Ultimate Dream, after also recruiting better than Oregon ever had before. Ironically, both dummies built enough talent to EACH earn a Natty, as both had enough talent on both sides of the ball to win a title their second year. Brooks started it. Belotti enhanced it. Chip changed the entire sport ( and got some damn bad calls in his title game), Helfrich held on. And Lanning recognized what a damn good opportunity he was walking into. Dumb and Dumber changed the paradigm. They brought the talent. When everyone said Oregon couldn't. Enough talent to take down the SEC like nobody but USC had done (yes the talent was that good- an NFL caliber QB that killed it his sophomore year, that was left hanging to dry-combined with a salty defense with enough talent to not only slow down teams, but to help that ridiculous Gulf Coast Offense pad the score). IMHO, Lanning is going to bring a title to Eugene. I highly doubt he would have even thought of OBD if it weren't for the "foundation" Dumb and Dumber laid- proving Chip was wrong about recruiting elite talent to Eugene. -
Jon, You brought up the most important facet of OBD's schedule: 8 straight conference games. Going undefeated means playing three elite matchups, then at least two more in the playoffs ( if not all three should we advance to the finals). Losing in the conference title game is a 17 game schedule. I believe it's better to go 10-2, avoid the Title game, host an opening round game, and deal with one less elite matchup ( the conference title game). It may happen anyway given a pretty rough conference schedule. I actually hope Penn State goes 11-1 and earns a bid in the conference title game and faces Ohio State at least twice this season. Going 10-2 in the B1G almost assures a home game in round 1- even if Four B1G teams earn a bid, or five SEC teams. Two close losses to UM and OSU would be the best case scenario. In any event, Lanning's team will have to be extraordinarily excellent to run the table against their 2024 schedule. Sometimes it's better to lose one to "gain one".
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Will This Forever Haunt You as an Oregon Fan?
Mike West replied to Charles Fischer's topic in Our Beloved Ducks
Feels like? They definitely tanked the game for the Tigers. Every call went their way. And they REALLY lucked out when the first quarter ended before we could run a play to score a TD. OBD were the better team. Our defense was more physical (as demonstrated by that sack/fimble/TD, and the constant pounding Newton absorbed all day). Newton alligator armed and easy TD out of fear of getting hit again - resulting in a FG that drive. And Cliff's INT? Please. That resulting TD pass was a consequence of that poor call. That's three TDs I just mentioned (one theirs, two ours and you can add the Dye FG to boot- 24 points - more like a 36-12 game). It should have been a blowout. Easily. But we know SEspnC wasn't going to let the P12 earn another dynasty. I don't care what anybody says, Chip's first playoff caliber team was better than most SEC stalwarts, including Saban's first three title teams. It is a conspiracy that started when the SEC made sure USC got the death penalty. The 2010 Oregon team didn't have as much talent as we've had the past four years, but that was easily the most dominant team Oregon has ever put on the football field - especially the defense. When Lanning's boys provide hits like those Ducks displayed all of 2010? Yeah, we'll win a Natty for sure. Watch that tape again. That is what I call punishing defense. Watch the Stanford game that year. Even the secondary delivered knockout blows. If I'm Lanning, I'm playing tape of every blow that team, and any other Oregon team (2019 comes to mind) delivered to opponents. That's better than SEC football my friends. That's what I want to see. -
Comparing the Ceiling of Our Offense: Bo Nix vs. Dillon Gabriel
Mike West replied to Solar's topic in Our Beloved Ducks
I believe a lot of people misperceived how well Nix would do. My initial thoughts were as follows: Nix had a horrible OL at Auburn. He was waltzing into a very good situation at Oregon. Nix had average WRs at Auburn. Again, he walked into a much better Skill set at Oregon. Nix forced things at AU, because he felt the pressure to make plays. I watched a lot of tape of him against the Elite teams, because I felt that would be the best measure of his skills. He was constantly under pressure, and his WRs did him no justice. He ran for his life and frankly, pressed to make things happen. His debut with Oregon in Atlanta was much the same. But he didn't have the WR set he had last year in that game. Georgia sat on the WRs, and Nix forced several throws. Ironically, he had enough time to throw against Georgia, but he felt the pressure to succeed nonetheless. Last year, against the Fuskies, he played well both games. He was under much more duress and had to buy time or scramble much more than against Georgia, and he played far better in both those games than against the Bulldogs. He just didn't execute on fourth down the first game, and he was inconsistent the second game. Overall, it would have taken thorough study to have been comfortable with Nix when he transferred to Oregon. So many SEC and Auburn fans didn't vet him very well in my opinion. That should be clear by how Auburn did after Nix left. In closing, I had the same kind of issues with Heisman winner Jayden Daniels. He played far better with better talent surrounding him. I felt he was a lost cause transferring from ASU, but I was far off base. He adjusted well to his speedy WRs and he made far better decisions at LSU. I believe both will play well in the NFL if they get the kind of talent they had in college. -
You know, Bama won two Nattys because they kept their top two QBs back to back years. This team is potential dynasty material if Lanning and Stein are "Mac Daddy" recruiters. It's going to take two QBs to win a Natty here. Our QB has to be a major factor in our running game. I just don't see keeping the elite defenses honest without featuring the QB as another running threat. We're 4 deep. And I'm not concerned about DG. They guy is a playmaker. Proved that in Dallas LY. Moore will have to step up to keep Novosad at bay. That's a positive. I'm just a hack, but my strategy would be make the defenses handle all five skill positions. Run the damn QB.
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Wow, I look forward to digesting these "scrimmages" when I have the time. My quick thoughts are as follows: Michigan is underrated (sorry Jon- I think that defense is better than advertised, and HC Moore is another very good coach following Jim Harbaugh - as in David Shaw good). Ohio State has the best defense in the country. Same issue on offense till further notice: OL and QB question marks (not sure they're elite enough at those positions). I also believe Bama beats UGA (sorry Duck-Dawg fans, but Bama is still more talented overall, and DeBoer didn't show how lethal that offense is going to be - my opinion of course). Haven't seen Texas, but "my sources" tell me they will be more formidable on defense than people think. Haven't seen Nebraska, but same thing ("my sources") , except the offense is going to win them plenty of "toss up" games. I'll check both out this summer and give my update. Haven't seen Mizzou yet. I'm intrigued though. Not sure they have enough depth and talent In the Box. They sure have very good talent at the skill positions though. I believe Tennessee is one very good QB from surprising people this year. Time will tell. Ole Miss is trying to hide their talent. I'll have to wait till fall to assess them. On paper, they are very dangerous. But paper is mighty thin isn't it? LSU still needs a defense , but they are going to spoil some teams this year. Georgia? Same as it ever was. But that loss to Bama tells me good coaching, and mistake free football is all you need to hang with them, and maybe steal a W. Auburn is also going to spoil somebody's season, including maybe Bama. Penn State losing last year's main WR target is a major blow to their title hopes (bad career move for him though- he would have gotten better looks with that new former Buckeye WR joining the mix). Utah...If they can step up their usually decent Defense, they are playoff bound. They don't have enough talent to challenge the Blue Bloods though. USC? I don't think they have enough talent on defense. Nice QB, but he'll have to win games for them. Not sure he's that talented. Not sure they're mentally tough enough either. Clemson has a good enough defense to stall the Blue Bloods, but that offense can't score enough. Think Georgia before Kirby Smart. FSU comes back to the regular pack, despite a damn good HC. No, Miami isn't joining the club. Need to see A&M. I really like HC Elko. He may be playing possum right now. He's said it's taking him longer than expected to get the chaos in order. Possible smoke screen to also hide his talent? The SEC is still too deep for the BiG, but Nebraska, Iowa and Wisconsin are only a good enough QB away from adding major depth to the conference. OBD... Man. I suspected HC Lanning knew his DL was stacked. Now we know. This team is in play for a deep playoff run. Now, it's up to learning how to make teams beat them by playing mistake free ball. If DC Lupoi and OC Stein "up" their game and adjust on each drive of each game, oooh- they could really step into a title game and make some noise. Big "if" at this point. I see a lot of Bama versus Michigan type games this year. It truly is going to be one of the best regular seasons in the history of College Football. And I'm.not blowing smoke here. Every elite team, has an Achilles Heel. Some teams on the bubble have enough talent to hit that bullseye and walk away with an upset. Coaching has never been more important.
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Solar, I "hate you" but love you. I came away impressed overall. But I also thought the QBs struggled early because they held onto the ball "too long". Not sure that's a long term deal, and I can only speculate they were pining to get those deep shots completed. They all adjusted. But in the two tight games they'll play this year, those "mistakes" may cost the team the game (Ohio State and Michigan both looked very good on defense). think we keep Novosad if we get him the right NIL deal. He's definitely a keeper, and it behooves Oregon to keep him off another roster. On another note-I think OC Stein is going to be hard to keep. Not sure he wants to be a HC, but he's another Chip Kelly. Yes, he's that good.