On 7/28/2023 at 5:10 AM, 1Funduck said:

Another thing. We all have been excoriating Dennis Dodd over these last few months as if he's some kind of Villian. We need to own it, with egg on our face, he was dead on. The B12 did in fact get a PAC member to defect and just might get more. Maybe Dennis Dodd IS a reputable 'journalist

 Couldn't have said it better.  

It took me awhile to come off my own arrogance about elite football in elite conferences, because I really do want Oregon State to thrive.  

 

Now they are on the cusp on G5 status.  After all that Jonathan Smith has done to revive the program he helped establish as an up and comer.  

 

What a shame.  

 

I have my fingers crossed, because they deserve to thrive like Rutgers does.  But it may be too little, too late.  

 

 

On 7/28/2023 at 8:38 PM, WiseKwacker said:

For me, a really sad aspect of all this realignment stuff is that instead of just rooting for the Ducks to win each week, I'll spend time rooting for USC, UCLA and Colorado to get their butts kicked. And, frankly, I don't need that level of negativity in my life. 

 

In my opinion, USC, UCLA, and Colorado deserve all the credit.  They are making sound business decisions based on real world conditions.

 

I don't even have to elaborate on that given this forum itself has debated this issue for nearly a decade.  

 

I am wholeheartedly supporting all three schools this year.  Rooting for them avidly.  Because I believe the remaining Schools still see the world like some adults that play video games in their living room instead of getting out and living in the real world.

 

Some people just have to fall completely into the abyss before they wake up.  USC, UCLA, and Colorado aren't avoiding reality.  Kudos to them for taking charge of their future.  

I guess there WAS some truth to the rumors.  Looks like two very reliable PAC12 sources have egg on their faces.

 

Sometimes when there is smoke, there is fire.  Arizona is on deck.  No matter what people say at this point.  

 

I actually believe the Big Ten wants the conference to implode so they don't look so bad.  Nebraska's President hinted at the future...it doesn't look good at all for Oregon State and WSU.  

 

One can't blame the kids for wanting to get paid, but the basketball and football players pretty much wrecked the Olympic Sports (talk about Conference of Champions).  

 

Fortunately, Title 9 is going to save the women.  But the Conference of Champions just nuked the sports that garnered it's reputation.  

 

Just goes to show elitism doesn't save your neck.  

 

OBD should be fine long term.  I'm sure we lost that 5star linebacker to Georgia because the conference can't get out of its own way though. 

 

If I were Dan Lanning, I'd tell the team we are going undefeated.  Let them.know they can do it.  A playoff win would turn any elite football player our way as well.  

 

Time to take matters fully into our own hands.  WE CAN CONTROL OUR REPUTATION.  Obliterate the mediocre, defeat the elite.  Just win baby.  

 

That's where I'm at as far as this goes.  Show the world Oregon is the new blue blood.  

It seems to me the better route would be to ensure OBD schedule USC and UCLA as often as possible.  College Football thrives on rivalries.  SMU and SDSU would have to step up quickly, AND foster rivalries that are compelling nationwide.  Our not so beloved conference leaders are doing a poor job of promoting this conference.  What a tall task it will be to enhance SDSU's and SMU's reputation as P12 members.  It will be difficult as it is without them to bolster conference rivalries nationwide.  Convincing the conference to schedule USC and UCLA as non conference opponents would be a step in the right direction regardless of who we might add to the conference.

 

At present, our games against Utah have not seen the national interest it should draw.  Now if the Utes can garner another Rose Bowl appearance (because they won't defeat OBD for the coveted playoff spot), and defeat Michigan or Ohio State (because WE took their spot), then a rivalry that garners national attention may be born.   A lot of ifs. That presumes Utah handles USC, we go undefeated, and Utah loses twice to us.

 

 

Unfortunately, USC faces the Fuskies, OBD and Utah in the regular season, so their reputation won't bolster the three top remaining teams this year (too many losses for one or two of us).  Unless...all three send the Trojans packing with double digit losses. Nothing would be more satisfying to send USC off with three indignant losses, to the three teams that would hopefully go to New Year's Day Bowls as the final send off as well.  That would bolster the conference's reputation massively.  As would three P12 New Year's Day victories.  

 

Again, lots of ifs. I believe getting our two Judas schools to schedule against the P12 often might help.  

While it is attractive to go to an 8 game conference schedule, I believe the 9 game schedule assures the conference champ an automatic bid in the CFP.  If any P12 team goes undefeated, that is an automatic bid that would raise the CFP slot above 4 in my opinion.  It will still be difficult to go undefeated in this conference because there are four really good teams remaining (as long as little brother keeps performing well).  

 

Not a bad idea thinking of matching the SEC, but only if we challenge that conference to visit out West-especially Bama, LSU and UGA.  Tennessee has visited, which was a surprise, and Florida is finally traveling West of the Mississippi for once. I would call out the SEC-stating they protect their reputation by ducking (pun intended) P5 programs by avoiding home and home schedules annually. I'd call out their vaunted reputation and start calling them a regional power instead of a national power because they duck the difficult games.  

 

 

On 7/20/2023 at 5:13 PM, SoGaDawg said:

Hi my Duck friends!  Been awhile, I hope you all have enjoyed a wonderful off-season.  You guys are kinda my go to for all things Duck related and also the PAC in general, so I just wanted to know your thoughts before toe hits leather.  
 

I absolutely think that if the PAC champion has one loss, they will make the Playoff.  But it’s not lost on me that it might be terribly hard for that to happen.  I think this only bc the conference is very competitive.  There are several teams with very strong offenses and at least 3 maybe 4 with heisman contenders at QB.  My question here is, is there a team that can rise above and take control?  I’m still navigating what things look like out there but my hope is obviously for the Ducks to bust out big time. Most places I’ve obviously read about how USC is the team to beat, but they are coming to Autzen, could be a rude awakening for the Trojans!  Anyway, I’d appreciate hearing your pre-season thoughts on the PAC-12.  
 

I’m still struggling to learn about the 23 version of the Ducks.  I’m excited, I feel the offense has great skill players and getting Nix back is freaking awesome.  I would like to hear your (Fish Duck folks) thoughts on the O-line and also the new OC.  
 

And of course I’d like to hear your thoughts on the Ducks defense.  I’m trying to do some research here and learn what I can but I’d love to hear the thoughts of the Fish Duck forum.  This is an area that I expect the Ducks to drastically improve in under Lanning so hearing any opinions here will be appreciated.  

Lastly, I’m just a fan and no expert but I have a decent knowledge of GA football this season I think.  Any questions about GA football I’ll be glad to give my opinion on.  

 

Phil Steele expects OBD to have the third stingiest defense, and the second highest scoring offense.  I actually agree with that eval, and if OBD wins on the road, something they are matched up well to do against both the Fuskies and Utah, they have a very good shot at going undefeated.

 

We won't be as good as your corn fed hombres, but we'll be pretty good. 

On 7/8/2023 at 9:06 AM, HDuck said:

If those guys are jabbering about Rushing, he played high school football 2.6 miles from Arizona Stadium.  Assume that means his parents are closeby, and his brother is already on the roster.

 

How many guys do we read about who enter the portal to "play near home" their last season?  A bunch.

 

Each situation is different.  Love him, or not, Taggart broke thru a barrier that said the Ducks couldn't recruit east of Dallas.  But, geography still plays a big role when a staff identifies potential recruits, willingness to leave family behind, etc.   Some guys you can't get in the game to commit, some guys leave the impression they are open to committing, etc. but still in the end stick close to home.

 

We all know it's difficult to recruit to most West Coast venues, especially smaller cities.  But, there was definitely a change starting with Taggart, then Cristobal, and bless his heart Lanning seems to be continuing it.

 

There's a bunch of 4 star or better recruits that scratch the Ducks early, some wait to late, some commit.  But, there's a heck of a lot more considering Eugene now than there has ever been.  Every school's staff has disappointments after putting energy and time into landing a guy, you can't get them all.  Hopefully for the kid their choice works for them.

 

Taggart did more than recruit well.  If he'd been intelligent enough ( ethical as well), his 2018 AND 2019 teams were playoff bound.  Warts and all, that offense he designed was perfect for Herbert- it was unstoppable.  And he had a top 3 recruiting class before he destroyed it.  

 

Talk about lack of vision.  Followed by another good salesman that couldn't deliver the goods in slow mo Cristobal.  

 

I believe Lanning is far ahead of both.  And if Bo Nix sells the double Post pattern to his right before running the ball against UW, he avoids injury AND  OBD go to the playoffs ( yes I'm saying it was poor execution, not a poor call for that situation- the safety HAS to stay honest if Nix looks to his right long enough).  

 

We all lose perspective sometimes, but Lanning has a  damn near top five 2024 class.  Some people just don't get that public service announcement about brains on drugs ( maybe their brains are just truly scrambled lol).  

If we were truly righteous about our lives, this world would look a whole lot different right now.  But as the saying goes, put your money where your mouth is.  If you feel strongly about the Saudis, stop buying gasoline that comes from the Middle East.  

 

 

I don't see that happening anytime soon.  So if the Saudis mind their own business, let's use their finances until we can replace them.  I actually care about Oregon State and WSU.

 

Despite being the snob I am,  I prefer to have a West Coast football identity as part of the college football landscape.  Of course I don't want OBD thriving in a suspect conference- that just stinks on all kinds of levels. 

 

Until an AMERICAN COMPANY steps up to make the numbers work, let's keep our options open.  

 

Make the PAC12 Great Again...damn it.

This better be a good deal.  And if we go to streaming I expect a replay on demand feature.  

 

I don't want to fix my midweek schedule to do  a programmer ever again. So, if I want to watch the replay of my beloved ducks at 3:30 in the morning, it better be available.  

 

That is what makes streaming attractive after all.  Otherwise, I'm done with this conference.  I'll pack my figurative bags and root for the LA schools (at least they're getting paid for the risk they take).  

 

Michael Crow.  Can't say anything positive about  the guy, so I'll keep it to myself.  I sure hope he didn't have his fingers in the negotiation.  

Because Coaches are responsible for THE WHOLE WORLD 🌍🌍🌍🌍

 

Dan Altman: "I've got 9 billion kids to feed".  At least one of them is going to get mad before I get them  a meal...sheesh.

On 3/10/2023 at 11:38 AM, Jon Joseph said:

Great take and I certainly agree with the math but Oregon and UW would not be joining the B1G at a full revenue share. I expect if an offer is extended that the media money will be somewhat north of the Pac-10 new media deal but not close to a full share. So, out of the gate, Oregon would be competing in a conference as a 'junior member.'

 

Without a full media share can the Ducks finish higher than Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, and USC? In a 12-team football playoff with 6 highest ranked champs in the field, I do not see the B1G/SEC getting more than 3 AL teams in the field.

 

Had we had a 12-team playoff seeded like the field will be in 2024, Utah would have been in the top 4 and would have received a first round bye.

 

We'll see what kind of media deal the Pac-10 puts on the table but I am not that convinced, especially with a lesser share and much increased travel expenses, that the grass will be that much greener in the B1G.

It sure would be nice to add teams like SMU and SDSU.  My reservations are how the heck are we going to draw $50-60M like we should given our brand.

 

That was going to be tough WITH USC AND UCLA in the conference.  Are we really going to continue yielding $100M plus when the dust settles next year?  

 

This really is about money.  No money no life as they say, and it will certainly effect recruiting long term.  Not to mention Utah and UW are not going to lay down for us and give us easy titles.  

 

We're assuming quite a bit expecting easy titles in a very, very diminished conference.  I'd take my chances having better access to recruiting in The Big- even against the likes of tOSU and Michigan (the only teams I feel are high caliber enough we'd always face the prospects of losing on a regular basis).

 

Where's the 50-60 million?  That's my question.  We can Garner that AND compete for playoffs in the BIG.  Why risk "sitting on the beach" in our own conference when we can certainly compete in recruiting AND playing in the money conference?

 

Show me the money.  Especially the way Tom Cruise said it. LOL.

On 3/5/2023 at 9:58 AM, Jon Joseph said:

Additionally, GK has a functionally insolvent network he is attempting to sell or failing such a sale, doing something to get the conference network into the black

I believe this failed network has been the canary in the coal mine for nearly a decade.

 

It is difficult to justify spending 40 million a year per team when the most popular matchup meets 11 million fewer eyeballs than the most popular matchup in the game, much less only a million more for an average game in the SEspnC.

 

I believe the Fusky game at home this year was also a PAC12 night game ( correct me if I'm wrong) that had CFP implications as well as OBD needed to win out, and those foul Dawgs had already defeated Utah.

 

Obviously the nation is hypnotized by tOSU v. Michigan games, but their Rose Bowl cousins have a very difficult time drawing interest even when the playoffs are on the line (on an exclusive broadcast with no competition at that).

 

Untill the conference can demonstrate it can attract Five million plus eyeballs mid day, I don't see much value the teams can present to TV executives ( that's the average for also rans in the SEC like Florida and Tennessee each year.  I wonder if Penn State and Michigan State get a many or more eyeball a week than even UCLA and USC). 

 

That's the crux of it in my eyes- the PAC12 Network couldn't compete on any level at any time with the Big Two conferences the past decade.  Why would any business reduce their revenue for the sake of tradition?

 

Why would a valuable brand like USC effectively destroy their brand for that matter?  Competing at an elite level is expensive.  We all know this.  It makes perfect sense as far as I'm concerned to maximize your revenue in order to maintain your brand and the status that brand provides. 

 

I don't believe ethics is a part of USC's decision.  It's good business sense.  It's sound decision making, and while it affected competitors, it is supposed to.  Self preservation after all is natural.  

 

I recognize this disturbs lots of West Coast fans, but heck, we've certainly not shown the conference much love when it comes to watching the brand if we're truly honest about it.  Action talks and you know what walks.  

 

The West Coast isn't as interested as the South and Midwest in football.  That is a deal killer.  It's the elephant in the room we refuse to acknowledge quite frankly and no amount of tradition can change that.  Does anyone remember when Sears was king of the hill?  Well they died, and so did it's tradition.  That's life unfortunately.  

 

Unfortunately, the Conference of Champions are champs in the wrong sports.  And now those very sports are in danger of losing necessary funding to carry on ( most unfortunately).  

 

The thing that hurts most about this is we're only twenty years outside of dominant football Nationwide as a conference.  Worse, at the beginning of the year it appeared we might have a shot at acquiring a fairly decent TV deal.  

Some thoughts here:

 

1) Expansion as Jon suggests.  I like the idea of adding inventory Eastward.  In addition, if the schools collaborate on truly developing teams the way Utah did in the MWC, in order to develop Boise State credibility (most especially a few upsets of the Blue Bloods), AND a very short term deal ( I'm talking four years tops) with a very serious effort from Utah,UW and Oregon to bolster the additions by any means necessary ( to bolster the Brand of the conference in football).  I'm for that. 

 

Given the prestige hit the conference will definitely take, serious collaboration at nailing playoff contenders is essential.  The aim being enhancing the Brand and doing everything to get two conference teams in the playoffs.  This requires some serious thinking out of the box and commitment to athletic excellence.  

 

Given that the current Presidents want the Research Funding- a WRITTEN Agreement with penalty clauses (am I dreaming here or what?) may entice Tulane and SMU to bite. Nothing would be more awesome than to go after the second tier of the SEC - say an up and coming Tennessee or better yet FULLY FUNDED  A&M - and ruin their rise while bolstering the conference.  Especially at Noon Eastern or 4:30 Eastern while a Blue Blood is on( I can see the highlight reels interrupting those games lol).

 

Given that thought, THIS YEAR IS A MAJOR YEAR FOR THE REMAINING TEAMS.  Upsets this year are an absolute must.  Same for any teams joining the fray.  Nothing can bolster a conference better than what UW did to MSU last year, and OBD did to tOSU recently.  

 

Another option for OBD to stay, and negotiate its own Network, with some sort of revenue sharing once the deal is inked.  The 7th most popular brand in football should be able to Garner an extra 10-25 million on its own ( and yes playoff appearances would truly help).

 

If course, this requires an extreme amount of trust, and forward thinking.  But heck, the only other thing I can think of is flat out calling the other conferences chicken for not inking home and home deals with the conference ( tOSU bailing out anyone- especially after talk of keeping OBD out of the BIG).  

 

I would be relentless about it too, and seriously prepare in collaboration to seal upsets.  

 

Unfortunately, the focus has been so academic centric, we might see our schools morphing into Ivy League West.

 

Not a bad thought Jon.  Maybe some WWE style tactics can keep the conference relevant with an upset or two.  Perhaps all those brilliant minds in the conference can learn some marketing and sports management.

On 2/14/2023 at 7:51 AM, Jon Joseph said:

Great take. The games were both wins which are all that matters but the LSU and Ohio State passing games lit up UGA last season. The Buckeyes beat the Dawgs in Atlanta if Harrison isn't 'cheap-shotted' out of the game. 

 

UGA sleep-walked through a number of games last season including at Mizzou. UGA certainly was not ready for the street-fight vs tOSU in Atlanta.

 

I'm not disagreeing that Chip's teams featured a group of great competitors (aided and abetted by a great and underrated DC) but Oregon had at that time a huge schematic advantage. An advantage was that wasted by bad play calling versus Auburn and beaten up by superior talent, with Helrich as HC, in the 1st PO champ game versus Ohio State. [That Buckeyes team was loaded including having Joey Bosa who was this season's NFL D player of the year. ]

 

And therein lies the rub. Have to have great roster depth to win 2 PO games and come 2024 and definitely in 2026 when the field will IMO go to 16 teams, to win 3 games in order to win it all. 

Awesome take as usual my friend.  I do believe the schematic advantage was handled well by Auburn ( the coaching in the SEC is superior to other conferences), but they did not handle OBD passing game well, which Chip failed to exploit enough.

 

There lies the rub, because Chip's team was also equally matched against the Tigers, and Chip's team was unfazed at the fact the Tigers neutralized that schematic advantage.

 

Hence the kind of mental toughness and fierceness to climb back into the game despite all the obstacles the team faced.

 

In the Ohio State title game, our injuries nullified an opportunity to match some of that NFL clad talent, and some truly poor linebacker play wasted a tie game at the start of the fourth quarter.  

 

Not to mention a failed opportunity to force a safety to convert tOSU's series back to OBD early in the game after we took the early lead.  

 

Talent absolutely matters.  Talented  Depth matters more.  But I do believe the size of the fight in the dog matters as much as  the size of the dog in the fight.

 

For instance, I didn't see any ferocity last September in Atlanta, like an outburst or two or a scrap or two to let the Bulldogs know they were going home sore that night.  

 

I would have rather seen lots of Bulldogs on the ground no matter the score.  Teams respect that kind of effort, even in a rout.  

 

We saw OBD had talent,  as the season progressed. As a coach or a fan, I know I would fear a team that punches a more talented team in the face no matter the score. That commands everyone's attention because you KNOW you better being your A game .  

Can OBD go undefeated?  If so yes.  Duh? Yes, but any PAC12 team that goes unbeaten will really have a shot at winning the whole thing.

 

More so than the year OBD ran the table in 2010.  I don't see the talent, or the killer instinct in this year's team ( Chip's boys were assassins - point blank).

 

Chip's team had talent, but they were monsters through and through.  Tough, tenacious, focused, and flat out hungry. 

 

I haven't seen that since.  Did you see the way Georgia opened and closed last year?  They left no doubt who was superior.  That is what's missing. Heck, that type of intensity usually produces victory. 

 

I'd rather see my team make mistakes with that intensity level because eventually, improvement leads to butt whuppings.

 

You know, like Georgia did often last year (and Chip's Natty team did all year). Chip's team didn't have near the talent level we've seen throughout the playoff era, but that beast mode effort matched every single one of them.

 

So, with that effort and intensity, then yes, I say they will perform well enough to run the table.  I don't think it will happen, but the defense alone will dramatically improve if they play like a team possessed.  

 

One can dream that OBD plug themselves into that machine in the Matrix  movie to teach them to be rabid dogs.  But I'll accept their best effort nonetheless.

On 2/9/2023 at 11:51 AM, Duck Fan 76 said:

How can the PAC play up the value of a PAC-12 streaming deal?  Go the route of NFL premium+ and make the All-22 film available through the streaming service.  That film is the most desirable film for analysts of all kinds and at the college level it's pretty much unavailable.  In fact the official sharing of All-22 film between conferences wasn't codified in college football until 2021.  If you are an east coast football fanatic and you want to place bets on PAC-12 games watching the All-22 film is a huge advantage.

 

If the PAC were to market the All-22 film via a streaming service I would pay for that at a premium.  If ESPN+ get's that service then I would pay for ESPN+ without batting an eye.  FYI, ESPN+ does make the college playoff games All-22 film available but nothing else.  If Amazon Prime were to offer it, then I could see them using their cloud services to offer not just the All-22 film but with significant real time stats and for the Sports betting world that is HUGE.   

I'm sure football junkies would JUMP at the prospect of seeing conference games in the all-22 format.

 

High School coaches, and position coaches in general (as well as dedicated football players) would be all over that product.

 

Not sure about the casual fan, but I would totally find time in my limited schedule to watch plenty of all-22 action.  

 

The NFL has provided that be option for years, and they even show the all-22 from the lineman perspective, so I find it highly valuable for people serious about studying football.

 

I hope that is an option being discussed.  

 

I think Netflix is a better option for streaming, but if Amazon can add value to the conference, and from what I hear, CBS gets the Utah v. UW, OBD v. Utah, and all the other high profile games, maybe the conference came make out and stay relevant. 

 

Interesting comments.  

 

I have some concerns about streaming.  Actually it's about the conference's brand as a whole.  

 

Content is desired when it is valuable.  That requires value last year's football teams brought to the table, and like the years UW, Cal, WSU and Oregon were top ten powerhouses before USC reclaimed it's throne as the West Coast premier football program.  

 

I do believe streaming will augment, if not replace cable as a revenue source.  Live sports tops all programming by far (especially compared to current TV programming), and avid college football fans thirst for top tier games to watch each weekend outside their favorite conference.

 

The prospect of watching a game (over) again several times is also attractive- especially if the audience gets to pick when they want to watch a replay.  That does require top shelf football however, which until last year was seriously lacking out West.

 

With playoff expansion on the horizon, the prospect that say OBD goes to Tennessee when the Volunteers are ranked 7th or 8th, and  pull an upset- that is a game changer.  Hopefully, the SEC will lay off their guarded reputation and schedule teams that can actually defeat them down South.  

 

Regardless, excellent football is an absolute must from now on ( not to mention excellent basketball). 

 

Now if I were GK, I'd negotiate a short term deal with the option for extensions ( say a four year deal with an option to renegotiate).  I'd also bury games after 5 pm Pacific, especially for the top ranked football teams ( whom can compete with Bama, Georgia and Ohio State as long as they stay undefeated AND they drop 45 ON EVERYBODY).  

 

That's my take on things.  Force the Deal Makers to risk losing a possible up and comer conference ( no more deals like the ACC got suckered into).  Risk the product and force ADs and football coaches to develop elite teams.  

 

2024 is really the deadline.  If the Fuskies can beat the blue bloods ( anathema to almost all of you), that means OBD become part of the REAL conversation in CFB because we are the heated rivals of our "punks" to the North.  Of course if we do so as well, or Utah (any conference team really), that is all the better.

 

Streaming is a moot point to me if we don't duplicate last year and match the drama last year brought as the season closed.  To me, three 10-2 teams and one 11-1 ( or say an undefeated team and an 11-1 team with at least one other 10 win team) should be the goal of the conference ( and creaming non conference teams along the way).

 

Elite football draws eyeballs.  Not just audience numbers.  I'm sure plenty of people East of the Mississippi will watch the conference at 8 EST if they KNOW they're going to see top tier football.  That is how streaming might help the conference.  Value.  From the conference itself.

 

Just my opinion.

 

I discovered an interesting bit of news that explains why the PAC12 and the BIG10 are going after the academic schools so vigorously.

 

Apparently, Research draws hundreds of millions of dollars to the degree the sports aspect is overlooked.

 

If that is the case, it explains why the conference hasn't been as concerned about it's football or basketball reputation.  Research income dwarfs athletic income.

 

Apparently, schools like SMU and Rice would be very good additions according to the strategy the conference is following.  SDSU will add a solid media market, so geography for  the two Texas schools would then be the challenge.

 

That would allow the conference an opportunity to attract Kansas, the best candidate in that region.  Then maybe a school like Tulane could round out a very good group of academic schools that hopefully would then contribute the tens of millions necessary to finance their athletic departments properly ( if they so inclined to, because CLEARLY ESPN, the only prospect for Tier 1 revenue,  IS NOT going to budge on their obvious advantage).

 

Of course SDSU could enhance their academic reputation in the process, which would bolster the conference's academia reputation and it's media market prospects.

 

How's that for those of you that want to maintain our historic conference alignment?  

 

Snagging Kansas would be a dramatic coup.  But with academic strength from the Texas schools, and being close enough proximity to those two, Utah, Colorado and Tulane, that might be an attractive incentive for Kansas to join Arizona as conference powerhouse basketball rivals.  

 

Of course, being the sport  elitist I am, I'm not as attracted to the idea, but if there is a way to budget the football powers in the conference ( in order for them to truly attract elite football players ), I'm for it because it will give Utah, the Fuskies and OBD and authentic shot at a national football title.  

 

I care about titles, and as most of you know I'm not fond of the product (students) ANY of the schools have churned out for at least a decade ( hypocritical if you ask me since it seems to me students don't matter, the money does). 

 

Maybe that satisfies both constituents: academic oriented fans and elitists like me who want more than just a brand ( hence a REAL football power) at Oregon. 

I think Georgia showed us Class and sportsmanship doesn't matter.  Bury them.  Early, often, leave no doubt, make others worry.  It will take an act of God to beat us if you want a Natty.

 

Obliterate them.  Make an unforgettable statement.  

 

You think everyone fears Georgia now?  I do.

On 1/7/2023 at 9:38 AM, Charles Fischer said:

And we have learned in the past that the benefits of playing football at Oregon total nearly 2 million dollars worth of value to the player. (Before NIL)  That doesn't suck.

 

That's about the same benefit the NFL players receive sans the "education"( which is inflation related in my opinion - the education didn't increase in value, but the charges did.  In other words the kids get the same "value" of education that  that we paid $20 K over four years).  

On 1/7/2023 at 9:38 AM, Charles Fischer said:

If they have been exploiting the athletes...why have they been doing so?  Is it to fund more teachers, or buildings or funneling into the endowment?

 

No. The money earned from football supports itself, and 17 other sports at Oregon, and right now--it isn't even doing that.  If athletic departments were being an evil empire with the money--I would be more sympathetic, but when it is being used for noble purposes such as supporting scholarships for so many women and men of other sports, it is easier to accept.

 

And we have learned in the past that the benefits of playing football at Oregon total nearly 2 million dollars worth of value to the player. (Before NIL)  That doesn't suck.

 

Pac-12 Football Players: All for Them, and NONE for All

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Do Pac-12 football players really get it? While that may seem to be...

 

While I agree with you- this issue was a sore point with the players all the way back to the early eighties.  I knew several Fusky players that openly complained of the work they had to put in order to excel.  It was a full time job even then.

 

Not to mention the NCAA was quite aware the players felt that way, long ago.  Rumbling stared well before the organization got sued, and it was evident strategies like the current NIL environment was already in practice at "approved" schools.

 

They didn't put 000 on the jerseys and sell them to the public (instead of let's say Troy Aikman and Barry Sanders)- which netted the Universities tens of millions of dollars.  

 

I've had this argument for decades.  But I always felt other programs should be funded too ( I still feel that way).  

 

We all know this is professional football.  Kids aren't setting up plan B, and the schools don't really make sure they graduate.  That's been the case for decades.  It's just blatant and in our face now.  We can no longer deny it.

On 1/6/2023 at 2:41 PM, mikethehiker said:

I'm glad Oregon has a great shot at pulling in talent from the portal, but this new transfer portal free agency is turning college football on its head.  I enjoy college football for the amateur athletic nature of the sport and this isn't it.  Moving forward, how important will it be to recruit other college rosters vs. high schoolers?  If you don't strike an initial NIL deal out of high school, now you can strike one transferring.

 

They HAVE to bring back the 1-year sit rule for non-graduate transfers in D1 football.  There's got to be a tradeoff to put more tension into the system that benefits the sport as a whole.  Think about the ramifications:

  -players will think twice before jumping on an already stacked roster, maybe make a name for themselves elsewhere

  -players will think twice before jumping ship and be more inclined to stay through the development process

  -boosters are less likely to through NIL $ at players who can't compete and must sit out the next year

 

BTW, I think the 1-year sit rule should apply to coaches too.  It may look a little different, but a head coach under contract should not be able to leave a D1 school and head coach another D1 school the following year.  There must be some tension and tradeoff put back into the system.

If coaches get to sit out one year, and coaches get NFL coaches money, I'm behind you.

 

I'm resigned to the fact most college athletes aren't investing in their future outside of football and it's been a business for them at least a decade.

 

When a Mario Cristobal and a Willie Taggart can leverage Oregon the way they did, and kids are told " well kid, you'll get your chance to live in the real world when you graduate"- I don't support that kind of exploitation 

 

And I really started to feel that way when a decent Colorado football player at the turn of the century was forced to quit playing football because he was getting endorsement money as a World Class Skier. 

 

The hypocrisy was a major turnoff for me because there was little difference from scholarship athletes getting MLB contracts.  It was blatant in your face " we control you as a college student" attitude.  We get the revenue you generate as a star, we have a great setup with the NFL to force you to stay in college.  

 

There is nothing American in that set up.  And I loathe the fact that teenagers can generate a the type of followings they've garnered in the social media era.  But THAT IS what America is truly about: opportunity for EVERYONE that generates value in life.

 

Now if we could manufacture artificial value for our teachers...

On 1/5/2023 at 5:22 PM, idontrollonshobbas said:

The market sets the price for value.....the marginal revolution comes to NCAA athletics.

 

Hayek and von Mises are smiling in their tombs.

Hayek and Vin Mises are going to smiling a lot more when the crack up boom actually materializes (because the Fed isn't getting out of this conundrum they put us in in 1987).

 

And we STILL will pay market value for CFP tickets lol.  

There's nothing that solves playoff berths better than  having championship caliber football teams.