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Mike West
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One of the constant things I've observed about fans is their lack of patience. Casey Brooks (Rich' daughter), was a dear friend of mine in college.
I can't repeat the things she told me fans said about him back then( this was just before Brooks turned the program around the corner).
Look at the Texas, Miami, Tennessee and Nebraska ( much less so) fans. Not to mention the Fuskies. None of those programs have been contenders more than ten years running. Look at Michigan. About the same.
If a coach is thin skinned he won't make it. Yet some fans clearly lack the ability to discern the direction a program is headed.
Some people just aren't intelligent enough to add their two cents. Doesn't mean they don't have a right to demonstrate that though. And even those that are, provide comments that are pure epic fails.
Nobody's perfect.
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On 11/24/2021 at 3:56 PM, Charles Fischer said:
Joe Moorhead is like Helfrich; great offensive mind, but an introvert. He would NOT do well recruiting, IMHO.
What if Moorhead surrounds himself with a team of recruiters like the Snake did?
What if Moorhead is a better CEO, especially after his lesson in Mississippi?
It may be better to part ways with MC while we're ahead. If Morehead isn't the answer, perhaps there are others.
We need a combo of someone like Chip that can take the talent MC has assembled and convert the players into champs, while maintaining the recruiting prowess the Snake started.
In any event, we've seen the best MC can offer at present. And while MC brought the level of talent to playoff caliber, we still have difficulty snagging the kind of physical defensive talent that can handle MC's demolition of the brand Chip elevated Oregon to.
Trying not to write too much, but Bellotti advanced what Brooks built. Oregon's brand went stratosphere when Chip transformed football for good. The missing piece is bringing a title to track town. There should be a coach out there with the chops capable of recognizing where we've been and what we ultimately want.
Believe it or not, I think Chris Petersen is that guy. It is my belief UW pushed him out because he "peaked" too soon. He no longer has to follow Chip, and the guy develops tough players. Mullens seems smart enough to convince Petersen to come out of retirement.
Petersen is a West coast guy that recognizes the vital aspect recruiting is to winning, and the guy could use a Moorhead type OC to restore the Oregon brand to its iconic place in the college football world.
What do you think? If MC moves on, would Petersen (or someone like him) be the answer?
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On 11/21/2021 at 10:34 AM, Jon Joseph said:
Progressing? What difference did you see in last night's No Show vs the 2019 No Show at ASU? In 2019 and last night, I saw 2 Ducks teams totally unprepared to compete and defeat inferior foes.
That ASU loss was all Justin Herbert. He had a terrible game. Yet, they still came back. Saturday was a display of giving up ultimately.
A good deal off this is on Brown. The post month, he just won't execute downfield kill shots Morehead has given him. He's a streaky guy.
I thought the defense fought for awhile, then tanked from fatigue. You're not going to win many there in two matchups on the edge, and you certainly aren't going to take seven down when you're only four strong.
Utah can't block that defense without those types of numbers in their advantage. But the more concerning issue is the lack of killer instinct. This team should literally Ohio State the conference with so much talent. But they don't have the will to do so.
Maybe Mario is to nice too these guys. They truly don't show much fight in them, unless they get embarrassed. At least they didn't showboat last night.
These kids need to be left in a junkyard with a doberman and one plate of meat. They're too comfortable.
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Wow.
People are going to say the same thing they said after the Iowa State fiasco.
Scheme won this game. It wasn't muscle. What I mean by that is you don't put four men up against six or seven.
You will not win that battle.
As for the offense, I've figured Brown out. He will not go through his full progressions of he is feeling pressure to make a play.
And when Utah started to blitz, Morehead wouldn't Max protect ( keep a TE and RB as blockers). Oregon's WRs we're open downfield, all day. You could see it on the replays.
Cristobal needs to look at tons of film. That is the best way to learn the complete game of football.
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On 11/20/2021 at 6:59 PM, kirklandduck said:
The defense is showing a stunning inability to make a stop on 3rd down.
Because they still are at a numerical disadvantage. They are out manned on the first level. That fact allows the offensive lineman to block and shed to the second level while double teaming the most effective defensive lineman.
This is nothing more than what David Shaw did to the very best defensive front Oregon ever had. That is how you out muscle the more talented team.
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On 11/20/2021 at 6:12 PM, DuckIt said:
This is the only the first half, but it feels more like THE END.
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I have to laugh at that. We will survive this. After all, most of us expected this performance a few games ago.
This team is fair weathered. They don't have killer instinct, they don't put teams in their place. They WAIT until goods things to happen instead of making things happen.
There isn't a single team in this conference good enough to beat the Ducks. The only team good enough to beat the Ducks are the Ducks.
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And put five men in the line of scrimmage. Utah is stacking the LOS, for easy numerical advantages.
Why is this so difficult to adjust to? Stack the damn box if they're going to stank the LOS
FOR INSTANCE: Inside the ten Utah has RIGHT guys on the line. We had four. If they're going to run a goal line formation, counter it.
This is exactly what Stanford did to Chip the year we lost 26-20.
If they want to stack it, pack it up yourself. Don't run a regular defense if they're running goal line fronts.
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Another penalty on offense stalls a good drive.
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This has been a lot demonstration of controlling the edge on defense.
They put THREE TEs on a side, and we didn't have the numbers to neutralize it.
Remind me of the list Stanford drive of regulation when DeRuyter kept blitzing and Stanford kept throwing slant routes.
Squeeze inside from the edges and this game is over. Doesn't take a full quarter to see this.
And if Sewell is going to shoot the QB in pass plays, somebody's got to cover the area he's been leaving wide open.
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We're possibly looking at no points for the whole half.
Guess it's time to start thinking about the Rose Bowl. Anything less than a the TD victory is not going to cut it.
November is showcase month, not ugly win month.
We're going to win this game. This is not going to impress the committee.
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Well,
Ohio State and Cincinnati sure put pressure on the Ducks. A skin margin of victory is out of the question.
Stomp the Utes or stay home. And no, a ride Bowl against Michigan State is no silver lining.
Cinci got the memo. Ohio State got the message. STYLE POINTS ARE GOING TO MATTER.
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On 11/19/2021 at 9:29 AM, HappyToBeADuck said:
When's the last time tOSU lost a conference game at home. Like a tootsie pop, lasts a long time.
Oh man, that is one of the funniest lines I've ever heard.
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LOL.
Isn't it ironic that the Ducks' "schedule" is weaker that Cincinnati's?
And when was the last time Cincinnati beat Ohio State in the Horseshoe? Does ANYBODY believe the Bearcats could pull that off this year?
How about the PAC12? Does anybody truly think Cinci would win NINE PAC12 games? One team-ONE- has accomplished that feat... Yes the Oregon Ducks. And they were an elbow from taking their Natty into overtime.
I've seen Cincinnati. They are not playoff caliber. But I sure will bet my entire retirement package if they play, because they are going to get their assess kicked. And I mean a 42-17 butt whooping.
So it's clear politics are involved. Oregon might not be passing the eye test, but they sure didn't look like they were going to beat tOSU Buckeyes did they?
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Traditionally, the Spartans usually give the Buckeyes hell. Even at the Horseshoe.
I like MSU to cover.
Can you say money line?!!! Utah faces their first top ten foe. Cristobal seems to want it more than fearing a loss.
Ducks win. Hopefully like two years ago.
Clemson actually has their conference title destiny in their own hands. Defeat Wake, and they face Pitt for another shot at the ACC Title.
Their offense is getting better, their defense is very good. Give those points.
Take the Tigers.
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On 11/18/2021 at 12:35 PM, Jon Joseph said:
12-1. Orange Bowl vs Georgia. An additional $6M in the conference bank.
If Oregon is a PO team it should defeat a team, twice, that lost to OR ST, and BYU, and San Diego State.
This is not like having to beat Carroll's SC teams 2 times in 3 weeks. With the possible exception of LB, the Ducks are superior at every position group. Ducks special teams is better than Utah's. And I trust veteran AB to manage the game properly.
Amen.
This is a tough assignment. Title teams execute. This game is similar to the 2010 Oregon at Cal game. That team got it done. Now if we want to look like the elite teams, we drop 50 and leave the Utes in the dust.
But I don't see Cristobal going for the throat. This is his battle in a phone booth game. I'd be orbiting the North Star - showing the world what Superman is totally capable of.
As the World Turns is what we'll get though. One question though: didn't TV execs get rid of soap operas for a reason?
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On 11/18/2021 at 8:26 AM, C J said:
I suspect it is. Others will wait till after the season though, which in my opinion is what Mycah should have done. He just couldn't contain his emotions or anger about the situation I guess. His decision is the real life tangible result of what so many of us here on FishDuck have complained about all season......actually for four seasons now.
I don't blame him one bit, but he should have waited. The exodus of top receiver talent will begin in earnest come late January.
Interesting that this site brought up the subject before the WSU game. One of the things I'm proud to be part of. So many contributors here have the kind of vision to see trends well before other sites.
I hadn't given much thought to the subject until last week. I'm hoping Morehead stays (I didn't it), but next year will be another opportunity to stretch the field-with another set of QBs capable of performing well.
As far as this year, Brown is going to be forced to make plays throwing the ball the rest of the year. Let's hope he's "money" often enough to win games.
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On 11/15/2021 at 11:25 AM, Jon Joseph said:
Thank you. On this board I am far down the list as an analyst. Love the analytical takes from you Charles, Coach Boles, Mike West and many others. A fantastic forum.
Oh there are several others...
Josh, Darren, "30", to name a few.
And the comments were even better when we didn't agree.
This site is unique because the opinions are supported by so much tactical analysis.
Why do you think the site was ahead of the herd ( recognizing Cristobal wasn't going to win a title "fighting in a phone booth").
And you my friend have the best pulse on what our beloved Ducks would face in a playoff scenario.
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On 11/15/2021 at 12:41 PM, toketeeman said:
Don't think about being 9-1 and #3 in the nation.
Think about the fact that the Ducks are standing at the foot of Mt. Everest and about to take the first step . . .
The only record that matters to me is the score... Post a 42-14 victory.
Starts with celebrating a statement victory instead of a routine play.
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On 11/15/2021 at 9:02 AM, Jon Joseph said:
IMO, this is a very good front-running Ohio State team but it is not a cream of the crop OH ST team.
I think you guys are thinking that I believe tOSU is overrated. I'm saying MSU and Michigan are overrated.
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On 11/15/2021 at 8:23 AM, GODUCKS15 said:
Would seem about right if they did. Head to head is only part of the process. Body of work goes a long way. Not sure how long the Ducks can keep the 3 spot since tOSU plays MI and MST. Both more credible if they win than the Ducks beating UT twice and OrSt once.
Depends...
MSU has certainly peaked. Can't say enough about Mel Tucker. He got this team to dominate the middle of the conference. But they aren't talented enough to handle the cream of the crop.
Michigan? Do you really think Harbaugh can handle Ohio State? I smell bloodbath in that game.
Now I recognize the committee has both ranked high, but if Ohio State blows them out, in my mind they're overrated
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I believe this was for the sake of argument only, but it was mentioned.
From Saturday Down South :
"Look, Bennett is a great story. He’s fun to watch. But does Georgia beat Alabama or Ohio State or Oregon – teams that can score points on the Georgia defense — with Bennett?"
The lead story is about Lane Kiffin (think he'd go back to USC?), with some after thought discussion. In any event, My take?If Brown can complete passes like he did against Ohio State ( to loosen things up for a very strong running game), we'll be able to run the ball on playoff teams (if we reach the playoffs).
Now I imagine Morehead will install plenty of screens if he faced the Bulldogs ( inside, and those dreaded bubble screens), and I sure hope he uses plenty of jet motion against Georgia.
But let's get past Utah first. Again, loosen up the box, ground and pound. And if Brown can hit a couple of deep shots....
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After the performance in Columbus, I started to think this defense might be elite.
I think they are. They did a hell of a job controlling WSU in spurts. The Cougars are dangerous, and they completely shut them down most of the game.
I am greedy. So I'm not satisfied yet. But they're heading the right direction.
I want to see more dominance. I want to instill fear (that is not happening in the PAC12-only hate and disrespect).
To be the best, you have to match the best. That starts with total dominance in your conference. Leave no doubt dominance.
We are competing with the nation's best. They dominate their conference. The elite keep coaches up late at night.
We don't get media love, so we must obliterate teams. The national consensus was we squeaked by Saturday- despite a well played performance on defense.
High standards breed high performance.
They've got some work to do.
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On 11/14/2021 at 2:35 PM, latracey said:
I mentioned in a previous thread that I saw an interview with Mycah Pittman where he expressed extreme disappointment about his lack of targets this season. His comment was something to the effect that there were several Oregon receivers, himself included, who would be putting up Drake London numbers if they were targeted as much as he was.
It seemed clear to me that he's not a happy camper. At least he was fielding punts last night instead of letting them soar over his head, like he did in the first half of the Washington game last week. For a super talented receiver such as him, it has to be frustrating playing on an offense where AB's role as a runner has become a key component.
I predict that more players will hit the transfer portal after this season than ever before.
He's concerned about his NFL prospects.
Kids need to get real.
If he's NFL caliber they know. And it always gets solidified on Pro Day.
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On 11/14/2021 at 2:09 PM, Drake said:
There will not be a quick fix for either USC, or Washington. Both of those Universities want to crush the Ducks, but they will need a good coach and recruiter. I am not so sure well known names want either job.
However, money can move a mountain.
Should be interesting to watch.
IDK
They have a frosh QB that is as good as, if not better than our talent. The kid is dynamite.
Sorry guys. I'd take that job in a heartbeat. They have talent. The right coach will stabilize the program, them turn on the jets.
The right coach will put them in contention year two.
Mario and Reality!
in Our Beloved Ducks
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My dear MaiTai,
Good to see you back. I feel the Stanford game was by far the tip of the spear when it comes to rage.
So allow me to present some pondering thoughts for all:
Haven seen the backup QBs last spring, and last year, are there ANY you feel would have garnered a 9-2 record so far ( my take is definitely not)?
Did you believe AB would defeat tOSU? Who in America believed that? Which backup would have defeated the Buckeyes in your opinion, THEN continued the momentum and stayed undefeated?
Not to defend Brown whatsoever. From what I've seen, the talent behind him isn't wise enough to lead this team to said record. They just aren't ready.
As to Utah, the Ducks are absolutely more talented. MC, Morehead and DeRuyter aren't excellent "in game" adjusters. They practically live and die by their scripted plan for each opponent (this is too common in college).
Utah pulled a "on David Shaw on Chip Kelly" move. Utah is not able to block the defense one on one. So they went numbers advantage. DeRuyter didn't counter that scheme.
Brown wouldn't throw downfield. Morehead couldn't find an answer. Brown hasn't demonstrated he can't shake off an ineffective start. From what I've seen of the backups, they can't either (this is a mental process as much as anything else, but far too few coaches teach the mental aspect of breaking momentum, not to mention imposing it).
Another aspect of this is too many coaches rely on physical ability. That won't fly against equal player talent. Or coaches "in your league" or above.
Cristobal is no different than any above average coach. And frankly, two, maybe three coaches could handle the dynamics Oregon walked into last Saturday.
Even David Shaw can't handle a David Shaw. Whittingham is probably the best coach in the conference. He had the perfect storm going his way. His players are peaking, he was at home, and he had nothing to lose.
Cristobal, like most doesn't fully evaluate his capabilities. From my perspective, these guys (college coaches in general ) get paid too much because they show little ability to adjust immediately to "conditions on the ground".
I've mentioned the one coach I feel is capable of replacing MC. Chris Petersen. I'm not sure he'd come back to coaching. But even Petersen has weaknesses. I need to evaluate more prospects, but I'm not Mullens.
MC is a work in progress, and shows signs of being a Rich Brooks guy over the long term. He will get there. It's best he stays ( cause he will get drop kicked in Florida with any of those three marquee programs). I think he's way smarter than the Snake.
Yes, I'm peeved. The Big picture isn't as bad as it seems. We will always contend for a conference title with MC. And I believe he would develop sooner if he was challenged by two or three high caliber coaches (because he to has an ego, and he won't accept being outdone).
Find us a real prospect (one that would take Oregon seriously), and maybe I'd change my mind. I want a title, but it is going to take time at this point. No matter who is at the helm.