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They are making more plays, and fewer mistakes than we are. They are taking the edge, a mistake I don't quite understand on our part. No defense is sound if the DEs/OLBs do not seal the edge.
The defense must now win this game since OBD wasted two scoring opportunities in a row. The victory is all in the hands of the defense. They are playing fine. Now they must make plays. Stops, and turnovers. It all comes down to that.
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Three plays on that drive we didn't set the edge.
Nice adjustments by the Fuskies.
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Seems like the DBs are falling for eye candy. I think man coverage (switch on cross/conflict type of combo patterns ) will take care of this problem.
Both TDs we're mistakes that can be corrected. Only one fade, which was a perfect throw was completed.
UW is using good conflict routes to create confusion. Man coverage with switch rules in place should ( it not definitely will) slow down that trickery
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Hill looked good in coverage!
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ILB should have taken the TE( He took the RB on the flat route). OLB should have had the RB. CB takes his third, And Safety blankets/shuts down the Post.
This is what I was concerned about. Keeping guys in more simple rules, so switching is a minimum, and players stay where they start without going all over the place
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First TD, Safety gets baited into covering the TE, leaves the CB on an island. CB releases WR to no one.
Safeties are the key to this game .
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On 10/14/2023 at 12:20 AM, bbmichaels said:
Crazy comeback. Pac12 after dark for sure.
Watching Coach Sanders interact with the media afterwards...I gotta say, that dude faces the music as well as any coach I've seen It's obvious that it cuts him. But he addresses every question anyway. Good stuff.
A lot more so than what we'd expect from his hype train.
He's been criticized for pumping up his kids. This may be factual. His response to the loss though, shows he loves the game, and is in it for the right reasons. It's the third week he has talked about what it truly means to win consistently-something he clearly is trying to teach his players.
I recommend watching it. All the nonsense went out the window. No excuses, gave Stanford credit, tried to send his players a message without tearing them up (and a serious challenge to dedicate themselves to the game like he does), tried not to blame a player for a clear mistake while still expressing frustration about it. He also took full responsibility for the loss.
After they beat Colorado State-I saw some arrogance I didn't like, but this morning I could see he wasn't going to let lack of talent be an excuse for losing. He wants to see effort and desire from his players. No matter their talent level.
He was about being professional last night. He showed how much he respects the game this week. A lot of parents are going to pay attention to this man after tonight. He is no joke, and it is clear he is truly about developing kids no matter their talent level. He is going to be a formidable recruiter.
By the way, this isn't a jab at people that don't like him. He deserves that to some extent. I was more impressed than I already am because he took this loss like a pro and didn't pull stuff one would expect after all the drama he's brought to his program.
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On 10/13/2023 at 8:07 AM, EastBayDuckDad said:
If Burch, Funa and Matayo can hold the edge and the DBs give the D-line that 2.5 sec to get to Penix, he will miss enough targets to make the difference.
Funa is aggressive, and vacates the edge a lot. His discipline this game is vital. He is a playmaker that wants to be involved, this his tendency to chase RBs and leave his post.
I believe it will be more important to collapse the pocket outside in. Keeping Penix in the pocket is more important than sacking him in my opinion. That sense of getting tackled instead of being able to escape will force errors, including sacks.
My only concern is UW's penchant for springing the TEs and slots in the seams this year. I believe they grasp they won't scorch our CBs this year, and they will have to beat the Star and ILBs.
I'm hoping we shut them down completely, as in 17-21 points. That would be a coming out statement to the pundits.
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The problem with it all is kids aren't graduating. That's a problem given thousands of them aren't going to continue playing.
Maybe they need another year. They already have a twenty hour limit with the program, but I'd like to see more graduates, in fields they can earn a decent living at.
It would be a shame to see them get access to world class facilities, and pretty good treatment, them drop to something far less because they didn't get a degree.
I don't mind the time they put in, heck most of them are putting a decent product on the field. I do think they should get paid, but maybe a deferral until they graduate may be a better policy.
The Big Ten is already considering a NFL style compensation package for players. I'm not too keen on that given the kids are too young in my opinion to some degree.
I used to be all player, but now, players from other sports are going to be effected. They deserve something too. They spend lots of time at their craft.
It's tricky. So much money is going to football now, it's crazy.
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On 10/5/2023 at 10:51 AM, Mic said:
I know, I'm probably a minority but the CFB with NIL and mass Transfers is morphing itself into mercenary minor league for the NFL. It's not there yet, but it seems to be heading there and gaining steam,. I sure hope I'm wrong but amateurism seems to be dying on the vine.
I don't think you're in the minority, and it's understandable to feel the way you do.
I personally believe amateur football at the college level ended in the eighties. I knew enough football players- studious and not even close - that talked about the time commitment required to excell at the college level.
If you don't spend thirty hours a week on football, it doesn't matter how much talent you have, you will not excell. Football is far more complex than people give it credit for.
Think of The Thompson. The guy is Justin Herbert ability wise. He doesn't have the mental aspect down. Not until this year at least. I can name ten things he needs to work on, and I believe those ten things would work.
But that requires a massive time commitment. I kid you not. He has to break habits he's developed. The kind of drills to build muscle memory alone would take fifteen hours a week. He has enough raw ability that it would be worth the time.
Steve Stephens IV and Jamal Hill are two more that require removing old habits ( they don't compensate for their lack of speed, so they are nearly always behind the "curve").
Imagine what coaches have to do with each player. It's time consuming. Stevens and Hill play too much to ignore. They need skill building drills to overcome their physical deficiencies.
That all requires extra time. That's called being a pro. If you want to be good, and I'm talking just college level good, you're going to work your butt off.
Coaches implement systems that require tons of time to think through. Repetition is required to the degree you don't think about it anymore. Instinct arrives from experience.
Then you get a Chip Kelly that alters the landscape ( at present, several young coaches are changing the game), and you must adjust your thought process.
Coaches and Analysts have to present, then scheme those alterations midseason. Imagine the whirlwind of thoughts kids go through each week. Rules of engagement change, etc.
You are not going to play relaxed if you're not prepared. If you're wondering if you're looking at semi pro football, you are. These kids are damn near professionals already.
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I believe power polls say more than ranking polls.
I also think that despite a more diluted talent distribution in the SEC, Bama ( believe it or not) and Georgia are still the teams to beat.
I believe Michigan matches up best with both (tOSU just doesn't have a potent enough offense, or dominant enough defense this year).
Out West, I believe OBD will be exposed to how good they really are. Do we post 38 to 45 points like we should have last year? Do we shut down Penix and company (in my eyes, have we solved covering the middle of the field on extended pass plays?).
Last night Arizona showed it's missing a hefty enough OL, otherwise they put USC to sleep. Was that why they couldn't take down the Fuskies? Or is Washington better on defense?
We will witness whether or not OBD ( or the Fuskies) are capable of handling the likes of Michigan, Bama and Georgia come Saturday.
As to the transition to the BIG, I believe we've only begun to see what Lanning is capable of. If things go as planned the next 18 months, OBD will be considered title contenders year to year.
I also happen to believe the four PAC12 additions are going to make a lot of noise in the BIG...all four.
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On 10/7/2023 at 1:07 PM, David Marsh said:
I also completely understand why program alumni and old timers wanted Wilcox or someone with deep connections to the program. We had gone through just losing two head coaches to schools in Florida. I think we'd still have Cristobal if it was any school besides Miami calling. Taggart was only a matter of time until he could return to Florida.
The ultimate irony is those "dolts" both blew very realistic shots at a Natty- one each in fact.
In 2017 " the Snake" had Oregon's best recruiting class ever ( combining a damn good defense with world class WRs Justin Herbert would throw to), and a virtually unstoppable offense. 2018 should have been our crowning moment.
In 2019, Crista bol had the best QB in the nation and a top 5 defense. Mary neutered the offense, and lost to Oh No Bo, despite having a Defense that was capable of shutting down every elite offense that year( especially when they were motivated- which was when the offense shined).
Mary reverted to form last night ( despite mocking him I was actually rooting for the Canes to reemerge- that would be great for college football).
Lanning, in my opinion would have two titles just keeping that Jet Flow offense ( and just think of what he could have done with that defense).
And yes, life matters a whole lot more than football. But I'm taking Lanning any day of the week as our coach. After all, football is life for him, and he is already ahead of the curve in Eugene.
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Pretty wild to me to be a fan for decades, and expect to defeat your heated rivals every year.
Sure, some questioned Lanning's decision making, but did Dan decide that Nix would miss a wide open TE, then tell his punter to fumble to make the game interesting?
I personally thought Nix didn't look the Safety off before he ran the ball-he just ran the play everyone had scouted. In my mind, he freezes that Safety- we go to the playoffs (to get obliterated again because let's be honest- last year's defense wasn't going to stop Sheldon or Marist last year).
To win ten games with that defense... remarkable.
Every loss stings. Let's be real though. Two teams in college finished the regular season undefeated last year. Out of 130. It takes NFL caliber talent, and a very deep roster of elite college football players to pull off an an unbeaten season. DL did not have anything close to that- and lost to our rivals by three points despite several mistakes in both games.
That, my friends is called damn good coaching. If I could take Churchill's defense (lol), and win ten games I'd be called a genius. And yes, I think the defense was that horrible. After all, Georgia made it look like OBD were pulling a Chinese Fire Drill all game.
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Radio Silence is actually a good thing.
Egos emerge when ignored-especially when one is actually excellent.
I hope the hype is directed away from OBD all damn year. Nothing would be better than to be discounted. If I could shadow ban all things Oregon Football this year everywhere, I would. Those players would play so angry they'd hurt people. I want that anger. I want that fire.
I mentioned how intense Lanning looked the week of the Colorado game. He didn't say anything, but he looked steamed. Not even angry. Just pure fire in his eyes. Media silence and Colorado trolling resulted in the only time I've seen a Lanning Team dismantle a team they way they should have.
I hope the Media keeps paying attention to Caleb Williams and Michael Penix all year (great motivation for Nix). I hope Alabama's defense gets so much credit, OBD start shooting for shut outs every week. I hope Ohio State and Michigan drown out everybody else.
Nothing was more satisfying to me than hearing Brandon Dorlus talk about being overshadowed. I have never seen OBD as motivated since then.
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A close loss won't be all that bad.
It is difficult to see a win in this spot. I do like, however, that Dan Lanning is our HC. One thing I have noted the past two weeks is Lanning and Company are great when they face the expected, and struggle with the unexpected. I doubt UW has shown their complete offense. I do believe OBD can handle that offense this year-the CBs are really that good. Its the Safeties and LBs I am concerned about.
We will score...about 31-38. Again, I believe the Fuskies will throw some new wrinkles that will take a quarter or a half to adjust to. After that its curtains for the UW defense. But what will the score be at that point?
I have always been of the belief that an awesome coach can take what you've thrown at them and obliterate it. In drive (not a quarter later, not a half later-but right in the middle of the drive you are in on the field). I believe that because I believe you already know what they know, the respective talent you each have, and that there is only so many things you can do to said talent on either side of the ball. So in essence-whoever can play street ball better is the better coach.
That sounds completely ridiculous to coaches, but I guarantee you-the best coaches are the best suckers when it comes to taking what they do and ruining it.
So enough with my rant, because neither coach is going to see something weird about their opponent-figure it out- and just nuke it.
That said, I believe this is going to look a lot like last year. Down to the last second. These teams are just too good to stop, and to beat long enough to run away from. Mistakes will make the difference in the game (Coaches, Players and in the minute decisions).
Trends suggest UW comes out with the win. Let's hope OBD buck the trend.
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On 9/28/2023 at 9:05 PM, Steven A said:
After this upcoming sc beatdown, fewer eyes will be watching CU the rest of the year.
In the meantime, sc will be out to prove "anything the Ducks can do, we can do better". Buffs, keep it close.
I apologize in advance Steven. Colorado will not disappear this year. They have a new, built in audience that is now paying attention to college football more. I suspect they will maintain that audience, and if they start signing elite lineman on both sides of the ball, they will no longer be our problem, but they will be a fixture for awhile.
People already know USC will beat them. That is not stopping celebrities from going up to Boulder this week to catch some of the "excitement". Colorado is this year's version of Pete Carroll's Trojan media juggernaut. Not to mention, they actually have enough talent to earn themselves a bowl berth this year. They get Stanford, Arizona and ASU, all with about the same level of talent and a slightly more talented Cal. That's four games up for grabs.
I think TCU just expected to show up and win. They got surprised, despite knowing exactly what we knew when they came to Eugene. Colorado lacks depth, and has weak lineman on both offense and defense. I suspect they will go back to moving QB Sanders out of the pocket like they did to TCU (who didn't adjust, nor expected very good WR play from the Buffs).
I also suspect the Buffs' players started reading their press clippings. They truly underestimated how good OBD are (and they are pretty damn good). I believe the Colorado players stopped working their butts off. Meanwhile, only a tad bit of noise came from the players. I think OBD lulled Colorado into thinking OBD would take them lightly like TCU had.
Not to mention, I don't think many people picked up on how intense Lanning was in the Hawaii presser, and the following Monday. He looked like he was going to play himself. I could feel his intensity. And that was before the Buff players started talking smack.
As much as we in the forum felt about the Colorado media train, the players were seething about being overlooked. On a different note, in closing, I hope the UW, Utah and USC media hype motivates them even more. OBD are being overlooked. Almost like they're a foregone conclusion. I believe Lanning is fueling some pretty volcanic fires right now.
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Apparently, any change to the 6+6 format must be unanimous , meaning all 11 conferences must approve the change under the contract ( which lasts till 2026). The AAC says they will not approve any changes.
The PAC2 has two years to garner eight members, and of course they more than likely drop to G5 status.
A looming threat would be the SEC and the BIG moving on. Kind of like creating an AFC and NFC. That would be an earthquake for sure ( but the backlash may be huge outside their respective footprints).
Hopefully, common sense will return, and regional divisions in any format will return to the game. TV does hold massive sway, and like it or not, the WSUs and Oregon States of college football must dramatically improve their brand value.
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On 9/19/2023 at 12:48 PM, Charles Fischer said:
And you can tell how he relishes the combat....the hitting.
The portal recruiting of defensive backs allowed two safeties in Boettcher and Jamal Hill to move to MONEY linebacker and these moves have been a spectacular success already. Hill forced a fumble versus Texas Tech, and has been in on many QB hurries, while Boettcher has a sack, some TFLs and great pursuit?
I did NOT see these moves coming by Lanning and Lupoi, and they should be commended for the moves.
Hill is definitely better at LB, where limited space compensates for his lack of speed.
I still think he gets caught in the toaster, but he is around the ball more consistently.
I would prefer he were limited to the Ted zone, where I think he would impose some serious damage ( I think he uses boundaries very well when he can).
BB is a natural. He anticipates well, closes well in pursuit, and is a very good tackler.
I'm hoping the defense grows every week.
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On 9/12/2023 at 12:03 AM, fred flintstone said:
Smith at Oregon St would make a lot of sense. After building a power at Or St he will be playing in the mw. He also deserves the kind of $$$$ or st cannot afford.
Man,
I hope Oregon State can keep Smith. He is perfect for the Beavers! They would instantly become the Gonzaga of the G5, and they would probably go to the playoffs consistently.
I would hope that would be enough to fund Oregon State for a long time.
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One of the things I really appreciate about Dan Lanning is he is never satisfied. That guy is all business. He is more intense than he was Saturday. He is hungry.
I certainly hope that level of intensity and focus rubs off on the players. If they match that level of energy, this team is could be scary.
The last time I saw that kind of quiet ferocity, college football changed forever because this underated defense backed an offense nobody had ever seen before, which made Oregon a media darling.
Look at the players the next few weeks. If you see less hotdogging, and more intensity on the playing field, we are going to see some of the best football we've ever seen from OBD.
Fingers crossed!
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The "growth" I've seen in this kid in six months is encouraging. If TT beats out Novosad that will be highly encouraging. It would mean we're have two outstanding Qbs.
I've seen comfort I've never observed out of him this fall. He's more decisive, throws with much more authority, and he is making better decisions.
He did show progress in the second half of the Spring game, but that first half was so awful I believe everyone was ready to move on.
I want to see him when guys are in his face-and he has to make the correct decision. It's easy when guys are open. Now we need to see if he can throw guys open, run through his progressions under duress and pull that trigger accurately.
We actually need him now. Nothing like having a capable backup.
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On 9/18/2023 at 11:38 AM, Lrod said:
Texas Tech elected to stop the run first. They stacked the box. Hawaii copied, but to less results.
difference between last year and this year is that Bo no longer is that much of a threat to keep it on a RPO. Im not going to worry about it that much right now.
I've thought the same thing about Nix running. Not a priority, as such I believe will hurt OBD later.
I believe Nix has to be part of the running scheme. If course, it could very well be this OL unit needs time figuring it all out. Running Nix risks injury.
This is a wait and see deal. Stopping this offense is on film now. Adjustments will absolutely be necessary.
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On 9/16/2023 at 3:11 PM, Log Haulin said:
Buffs haven't played a conference game yet. Gunna have to set the brakes on that one for a sec
I have given Deon his due. Stated plainly what I think of his talents in another thread.
It's clear you are a fan. I get it, a lot of people are. Dude is super polarizing. He was one of a few players that sewered me on NFL. The arrogance that showed up in the league around 2k was a huge turn off for me.
It's no secret I don't like the guy. His accomplishment are impressive though.
And thats the bottom line. All about the Benjamins. And thats why he is here for awhile. Every media outlet out there will pump this untill the last dime.
Many of the same people overjoyed about the cash generated also groaned over the cash controling realignment.
The play Deon is getting on OBDF alone is crazy. Doesn't make sense the love the guy gets after beating 2 weak teams. But he will get one more then 2 straight losses. That should quiet the noise till next year
You basically called Deion Sanders a clown. He is anything but. Jay Norvell knows. He's black. From a traditional background. Sanders is from the Ghetto. I respect Sanders because he isn't trying to bring the Ghetto mainstream. He, like Norvell respects traditional life, but Sanders isn't going to compromise his core because people expect him to. He doesn't bring all that excess baggage the ghetto leaves people with. A clown show is what the HBCU schools continue to do.
That is why I respect Sanders. He tried to make the HBCU ranks more professional. They weren't having it, so he left. That is the background you don't know about. A lot of people want to take a country boy out of the country. Well, the same thing applies to ghetto folk. I am fortunate enough to know how hard it is to navigate those unrealistic expectations of being yourself and dealing with a main culture that doesn't want you to be who you are. And I'm not from the ghetto.
Style and character are two very different aspects of a person. It sounds like you mistake style for lack of character. Willie Taggart lacks character. Deion Sanders does not. There is nothing wrong with you criticizing Sanders' style. Please don't disparage his character when you don't know what he is really about. Sanders is a role model for tons of young men that have been told they can't be who they are-and also been fed in an insidious manner that they can't succeed because they are black. Sanders is an excellent example of exposing that lie.
That is why Sanders is important. That is why some in the media give him a wider audience. Not to mention Colorado State is finally exploiting Colorado's weaknesses. Sanders wasn't supposed to win early and he did. Josh Pate at Late Kick said it best: moving the goalposts after the fact is hater material. And that is directed at people that aren't necessarily hating on Sanders' style. Norvell hasn't defeated teams with more talent at Colorado State until today. Sanders has done it twice. Media be damned, Sanders deserves respect for being professional enough to pull that off.
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On 9/16/2023 at 11:56 AM, Log Haulin said:
I said as much in another post. The problem is... this isn't pro wrestling. This is college football. The use of kayfabe and "your mama" jokes has no place here.
Sanders is bad for college football as a whole. The bill will come due and Sanders will dine and dash.
College football is changed forever due to NIL and realignment. Now we have the clown show that is Colorado.
Again... be careful what you celebrate. The cost of admission could end up being more than you are willing to pay.
This isn't the Simpsons upstaging the Cosby Show. This isn't Beavis and Butthead.
You are seriously underestimating Coach Sanders. The HBCU coaches did the same thing. You do know Jackson State immediately went back to being the dog with fleas Sanders inherited don't you? He immediately turned that program around. Sound familiar? And don't think for a second Sanders didn't get the same welcoming committee in the HBCU ranks. You know, like what Norvell said about earning his job. Norvell is 36-35 in FBS ranks. Sanders is 2-0, and counting. Norvell inherited a 3-9 team...and went 3-9. Sanders has doubled the record of the homeless dog he inherited in two games. In a tougher conference, Sanders is going to exceed Norvell's three wins.
You are witnessing the building of a program. It isn't a popularity contest, it isn't American Idol. It is serious business and a serious businessman is running a program the way he is supposed to: marketing it, growing it, and attracting the talent it needs to succeed. He is not in the business of running it like the staid Presidents ran the Conference formally known as the PAC12.
People called him out. Still are. He said he was coming. He is here. The cost of admission has risen. There are far more ways than one to skin a cat. The status of College Football is not going to the dumps because one Deion Sanders is running his program his way. It didn't when Miami football players walked into South Bend Indiana wearing fatigues to provoke Touchdown Gosh. It won't as realignment continues. This is just part of the tapestry called College Football.
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Let’s Do It: GameDay Thread vs. Washington!
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Not liking both RZ decisions, but THAT WAS A HOLD. The Refs are giving the Fuskies more advantages on those kinds of plays. That is two PI calls they refused to call on conversion related plays. Should be first and goal right there. Same as last year.