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  1. Just wanted to stop by and say congrats. I believe you guys will do really well in the BIG. The travel across all sports will be an issue for you guys for the next few years for sure, but once you get to the point where you're getting a full share it won't be an issue financially. Now the impact it has on the student athletes is a whole other ballgame. I was a college athlete and went on some fairly long bus trips. But I was not traveling clear across the country and across several times zones. I have to say I do think that will have an impact.
  2. Exactly! UT always does what UT wants, everyone else be damned. What's interesting is they didn't have the vision to understand that when you do what's best both for you and the group, that's when you're actually doing what's best for you long term. They pulled the rug out from under their own feet and now they won't sniff a conference championship for a long long time. UTs arrogance and self serving ways are what killed the SWC, and essentially the original XII conference, and a version of the PAC that would've been a power to this day.
  3. Let me start by saying that none of this makes me happy. I want the original XII back and for the SEC and BIG to stand pat as they were and the PAC to be as it was and survive. Schools like OR/WA State MATTER. It sucks to think of those schools getting left out in the cold so to speak. Here's a weird take. PAC fans should take out their ire on.....The University of Texas. Hear me out. Back in 2011 (I think that was the year) from what I understand there was an offer from the PAC to Oklahoma, Texas, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State. The snag? The Long Horn Network. Texas had just inked a sweet deal with ESPN for the LHN and spurned the efforts put forth by the XII to start a network (the reason why Nebraska, Mizzou, aTm, and Colorado left). During that time the PAC12 was putting together their network that would debut in 2012. They told Texas that they would have to give up their 3rd tier rights to supplement the PAC12 network. Texas said no. The deal crumbled. Had it gone through the PAC would have buried the XII and USC and UCLA would still be in the league. Texas, to this point, has been a plague.
  4. I know you guys don't want to come to the XII and I get it. I just want to say that we'd love to have you and I think that IF (big if) Oregon and Washington came to the XII, then Florida State and Clemson would take a hard look at the XII when the ACC GOR expires. THAT conference would garner a media deal that would be competitive with the BIG and SEC. And at that point the conference would be rebranded (no longer the XII) and truthfully Oregon, Washington, Clemson, and Florida State wild be the flagship schools of the conference. I wouldn't mind Oklahoma State being in the second tier behind those four. Maybe a pipe dream...but a man can hope!
  5. Just stopped by to say I think it's going to be a really good super regional between the Cowgirls and Lady Ducks! Here's to a solid, competitive, and injury free series!
  6. I know I'm just an occasional visitor to this site and I don't know PA Duck at all, but I will be praying for her and her husband!
  7. My two pennies: Oregon will eventually be in the BIG along with UW. I know a lot of people think that the BIG would rather have UW and Stanford but I believe, when push comes to shove, Football/brand/rivalries drive this bus and Oregon brings (along with UW) all of those things. Now would USC have the pull or desire to keep Oregon out and make the BIG take Stanford instead of Oregon? You guys have a better feel for that. Regardless, I do think the Ducks end up in the BIG so whether you stay in the PAC or go to the XII in the immediate future I think it's a temporary stop. My point is, you guys just need to "survive" the next 5 or so years and then you'll arrive at your destination.
  8. Truthfully...if both conferences can be viable I'd rather them stay as they are. Not because I wouldn't want Oregon or Washington but because with you guys in the conference it would be just that much harder to make the playoffs!blockquotlockquote widget
  9. It is the (unfortunate) truth that bluebloods are used as the mark by which the conferences are judged. And going forward neither of our conferences will have one of those. I see it as a chance for some non-bluebloods that are in that next tier (Oregon/Utah/UW/oSu/TCU/Baylor) to stake a claim. We all will get a fair shot with the expanded playoff. As for competing with the SEC/Big10...they will certainly have the monetary advantage which, in the age of NIL will certainly play a bigger role than it would have previously. (although that's where Oregon has a one up with Uncle Phil backing it). And it will still be possible for one of the other 3 conferences to make a run and snag a natty. On any given Saturday! As for Yormark, I can totally see why you wouldn't care for him. Honestly, were the shoe on the other foot I would despise his arrogance. And I will say that it does feel good to have some aggressive, confident, forward thinking, non-reactionary leadership for once! And I LOVE the idea of making the Rose Bowl a P12/XII matchup! I can promise you an Oregon/oSu Rose Bowl (for instance) would get very strong ratings.
  10. I stopped by this board to see the "insider" perspective on this whole Comcast fiasco (I agree that at the very least Larry Scott was careless). Then I ran across this and...I am struggling with how to address this respectfully. The XII appearance (and drubbing) in the NC game shows how weak we will be w/o OU and Texas? A few thoughts/questions: 1)Of ALL the teams in college football Oregon understands how good a fresh UGA team is. Right? 2)TCU beat (supposedly) the best the Big10 had to offer. 3)Over the past 5 seasons which conference has been stronger? I do realize I see things through a XII lense. And I can say with assurance that had Oregon or Utah gone to the NC and got destroyed by UGA that I wouldn't come to the conclusion that that result showed how weak the PAC was going to be without the LA schools.
  11. I know that markets matter because of potential upside, but oSu has more alums in the DFW metroplex than TCU or Baylor. Just look at last years XII championship game in Dallas at Jerry World. At least 55-60% of the crowd was in orange.
  12. Baylor, Ok State, and TCU would pull the viewership average of the PAC up. Houston wouldn't at first but would likely get there. I can't answer the question of if a media outlet would increase the per school payout or not if they joined. I will say this; those four schools would outperform AU, ASU, CU, WSU, and Or State. They would also outperform Cal but...Cal is in california so that may add value. Also, stability is worth a TON. And I don't think there's any doubt that adding those school would provide stability.
  13. You could actually say that Texas is the reason for much of the conference movement and instability as a whole. They weren't happy with the Southwest Conference. They became a part of the XII and wouldn't play ball to strengthen the conference instead of themselves when it came to a conference network (when they already had one of the biggest athletics budgets in the country). Essentially the set fire to the XII and when the smoke became intolerable they jumped ship to the SEC. I will NOT miss being in a conference with the Longhorns. Good luck SEC.
  14. Hey if you guys get the call from the BIG I'll be cheering for you. Lord knows we'd jump to it if given the opportunity.
  15. Oh I totally agree with you in terms of the prattle that can be found at times (or many times) on twitter and the like. And if I'm honest, I would not peg Mandel nor the author of the article linked below as "experts" necessarily when it comes to media viewership statistics. However they are both a part of the associated press and thus have access to some data and the time to crunch those numbers. The reason I put more stock in this articles figures is that it is a larger sample size...5 times the sample size of Mandel's article. So, for instance, the Ducks game with Ohio State last season has a MUCH greater impact on the final average than say TCU's game with Ohio State in 2018 because that outlier is watered down with 50 or more other "normal" games. Is even the 5 year look a perfect account of the viewership and worth of any one program? No. But I think it has more value than looking at a single season. 5 Year Viewership Average
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