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Chip Deserves Another Chance to Recreate the Magic.

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On 12/9/2021 at 2:35 PM, DimpleDucks said:

 

I've wondered about this because Azzinaro was good here. If I remember correctly, he started out at Oregon as the defensive line coach while Allioti was the DC? As DC at UCLA, maybe he doesn't resonate as much with all the players. Plus, he seemed to demand a lot of his players and maybe they don't take to the same kind of instruction as they did at UO. Just pondering...

My thinking as well.

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On 12/9/2021 at 2:35 PM, OregonRich said:

I'm not advocating for Chip's return, although I wouldn't necessarily be against it, but I do think Chip deserves much more credit for recruiting than he gets.

 

I'd suggest the exciting, fast-paced style of play that Chip employed and the success we saw under his leadership paid dividends years later when kids who grew up watching his teams, became recruits themselves. 

 

How many of Mario's recruits said it was their dream to be Ducks? Many! Well I'd contend that those dreams were shaped by Chip, not Mario.

 

Conversely, I'd say that Mario's style of play would've hurt us down the road. I don't think it would've produced a NC. And I'm certain kids viewing it from a far wouldn't have had their dreams shaped by watching it. 

I think this is very true. Also, look around and watch all the teams using some version of tempo, RPO and switching players in and out and I think much of that can be at least partly due to Chip. He was doing some recruiting by proxy!

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Actually... now that I am thinking about it, I think the sign that Oregon is interviewing Wilcox and Kelly today means the process is almost over. Oregon knows Kelly and his limitations at this point. Wilcox is young and may be a good coach for Oregon down the road but Uncle Phil doesn't have time to waste waiting on Wilcox. 

 

So why is Oregon interviewing these two? Well... I am guessing like everything else... but it feels to me that these two interviews may have been potentially so late in the process because they weren't considering them for the job. However, not interviewing them burns a bridge that just isn't worth doing. Interview them, hear them out, and then make the hire. 

 

Or... everyone involved in the hiring process is incompetent and they are the only choices left... but I don't think that is the case right now. If we are still at the same point a week from now then I'll change my tune on that one. 

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According to the Oregonian and apparently the Register Guard confirmed, the U fo O asked permission to speak to Kelly and Wilcox.

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Does a college/university have to ask permission to speak to coaches in the NFL?

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One thing Chip did at Oregon, better than any coach I know of, was get his players in physical condition to withstand the rigors of a 12 game season plus post season.  One of the things that detracted from our season ending play this year, in my opinion, was that our players were exhausted.  Yes, they revived for the first part of the Beaver game.  But the injuries and being tired took a toll in the Utah games.

 

Chip was able to get the Eagles to buy into his conditioning regimen for one year, and it worked well.  But the pro players were not willing to work as hard as he demanded.

 

As I have said before, if the Ducks hire him they need to dedicate a compliance person to football recruiting.  And, they need recruiters with the abilities of Helfrich and Aliotti, guys who were willing to put in the long hours it takes to find not only the diamonds in the rough, like Marcus, but also convince the big linemen that this is a place to start an NFL career, which it is.

 

All Chip has to do is be the closer, and a script can be written for that part and played out on Zoom while and assistant is with the recruit in his living room, Chip on the smart TV.  I can hear him telling the parents, "Your son will be in the best physical condition ever, and he will enjoy the work that takes because it will make him a better player.  That leads to winning the day, every day.  And wining the day leads to winning football games."

 

Oregon has lots of advantages that UCLA does not.  Yes, Autzen is a better place to play than the Rose Bowl stadium.  All of the facilities are first class, and constantly being improved.  Nike and Phil and Penny Knight.  And, we have a history of putting players in the NFL.  

 

While I am not in favor of hiring Chip because of what he did here before when he broke the NCAA rules, I can see which way the wind is blowing.  I expect to hear about the rerun tomorrow.  Hope it works.  At least the offense will not be boring or predictable.

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On 12/9/2021 at 2:41 PM, David Marsh said:

Uncle Phil doesn't have time to waste waiting on Wilcox. 

Easy now, there, Whippersnapper*. Eightythree is the new 50. He's got plenty of time. 

 

*Meant in complete jest. 

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I sure hope not

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On 12/9/2021 at 2:41 PM, David Marsh said:

Or... everyone involved in the hiring process is incompetent and they are the only choices left...

 

Well, one could make an argument that the past three hires have included some level of incompetence. Might have something to do with owner influence. 

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Rich Brooks        18 years          91   wins -   109 losses - 4 Ties      .456% winning

Mike Bellotti       14 years       116    wins -     55 losses                    .678% winning

Chip Kelly              4 years         46    wins -       7 losses                    .868% winning

Mark Helfrich       4 years         37    wins -     16 losses                    .698% winning

Willie Taggart       1 year             7    wins -       5 losses                    .583% winning

Mario Cristobal    4 years        35    wins -     13 losses                    .729% winning

 

Chip may have left for a bigger dream but the guy could lead a winning program.  There was enough in the tank, players coached and influenced by Kelly, to guide Helf and Frost for the next two years.  It is obvious that Chip and Helf, to some extent Frost benefited from the coaching continuity of the log term coaches on staff.  Plus of the next man up in coaching until that became depleted.  The loss of Allioti and Frost were big negatives in my opinion and Helf was not up to the task of fixing that and restocking the recruiting cupboards.

 

 

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Helf’s offenses continued to improve.  Defense and QB development went from Excellent to WTH!? In 18 months.

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Chip was once a great innovator and a heck of a college coach. No longer. The game caught up to him and other coaches are doing what he did and then some. Chip's better than MC though but who isn't? MC is a joke.

 

Chip's "magic" is what we've seen in UCLA over the past few seasons -- mostly garbage and a lot of losing. That's what Chip would most likely bring to Oregon -- more garbage and more losing. I don't think Chip has even beat Utah once while coaching UCLA.

 

Plus Chip walked out on us during an NCAA investigation. That's unforgivable.

 

We need a coach like the guy from Cincy. It's Fickell or bust.

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If I recall, Aliotti(sorry Nick, spelled it wrong in above post), left to coach in the NFL and at UCLA before his return to Oregon.  For what Nick had to coach with he did better than DeRuyter.  Aliotti is a great example of a coach that left Oregon to return and to be as good as if not better than when he left.

 

Chip is repackaged as in UC in LA, he gained a better perspective of average.  There are people with torches and pitchforkes in Oregon, that think he has not changed.  But it is obvious UC in LA's record, there is a difference between being a Duck and Bruin.  Come on Chip, Duck that Bear.  I love me some Chip with Salsa.

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On 12/9/2021 at 3:52 PM, Grandpa Duck said:

One thing Chip did at Oregon, better than any coach I know of, was get his players in physical condition to withstand the rigors of a 12 game season plus post season.  One of the things that detracted from our season ending play this year, in my opinion, was that our players were exhausted.  Yes, they revived for the first part of the Beaver game.  But the injuries and being tired took a toll in the Utah games.

 

Chip was able to get the Eagles to buy into his conditioning regimen for one year, and it worked well.  But the pro players were not willing to work as hard as he demanded.

 

As I have said before, if the Ducks hire him they need to dedicate a compliance person to football recruiting.  And, they need recruiters with the abilities of Helfrich and Aliotti, guys who were willing to put in the long hours it takes to find not only the diamonds in the rough, like Marcus, but also convince the big linemen that this is a place to start an NFL career, which it is.

 

All Chip has to do is be the closer, and a script can be written for that part and played out on Zoom while and assistant is with the recruit in his living room, Chip on the smart TV.  I can hear him telling the parents, "Your son will be in the best physical condition ever, and he will enjoy the work that takes because it will make him a better player.  That leads to winning the day, every day.  And wining the day leads to winning football games."

 

Oregon has lots of advantages that UCLA does not.  Yes, Autzen is a better place to play than the Rose Bowl stadium.  All of the facilities are first class, and constantly being improved.  Nike and Phil and Penny Knight.  And, we have a history of putting players in the NFL.  

 

While I am not in favor of hiring Chip because of what he did here before when he broke the NCAA rules, I can see which way the wind is blowing.  I expect to hear about the rerun tomorrow.  Hope it works.  At least the offense will not be boring or predictable.

 

Aliotti embarrassed himself when he got on Mike Leach's case calling him "low class" for playing his offense hard even though the game vs. Wazzu was over. Aliotti didn't like he had to keep his starters out there because Leach refused to wave the white flag.

 

I knew Aliotti's coaching days were limited after that and no way he can come back to coaching after coming across as so arrogant.

 

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Been a few years, but Chip and Phil were still tight enough to sit side by side at the MBB Final Four in Glendale a few years back......and that was well after Chip went pro.  Cost of living up here is close to zero compared with LA, though I heard through a realtor that Chip's house in N Gilham had about five pieces of furniture in it, so maybe that studio condo he has in Westwood is good enough (I'm joking about the condo since I have no idea where he lives, but if it's anything like when he was here, he doesn't spend much time at home as might be said for a lot of head coaches)

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The way he left last time I'm really not interested in his coming back. Hopefully Oregon's AD actually considering it as a top priority.

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If Oregon can land Chip, Aranda, or O'Brien, I think any one of them gets Oregon in the playoffs in 2 years.  If it wasn't for opening against UGA next season with a brand new QB followed by BYU two weeks later, I'd say they could do it next year.   That said, Oregon could be very scary at the end of the season and a team nobody would want to play with the roster coming back and better game planning and game day coaching.

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Philadelphia Eagles.  San Francisco 49ers.  UCLA Bruins.  Three jobs since Oregon.  No magic created.

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On 12/9/2021 at 6:21 PM, geoquack said:

Philadelphia Eagles.  San Francisco 49ers.  UCLA Bruins.  Three jobs since Oregon.  No magic created.

The opposite of magic in fact.

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I just fired off an email to the athletic department protesting the hiring of Chip Kelly. We need to stop this to save the football program.

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On 12/9/2021 at 2:52 PM, Grandpa Duck said:

One thing Chip did at Oregon, better than any coach I know of, was get his players in physical condition to withstand the rigors of a 12 game season plus post season.  One of the things that detracted from our season ending play this year, in my opinion, was that our players were exhausted.  Yes, they revived for the first part of the Beaver game.  But the injuries and being tired took a toll in the Utah games.

 

Chip was able to get the Eagles to buy into his conditioning regimen for one year, and it worked well.  But the pro players were not willing to work as hard as he demanded.

 

As I have said before, if the Ducks hire him they need to dedicate a compliance person to football recruiting.  And, they need recruiters with the abilities of Helfrich and Aliotti, guys who were willing to put in the long hours it takes to find not only the diamonds in the rough, like Marcus, but also convince the big linemen that this is a place to start an NFL career, which it is.

 

All Chip has to do is be the closer, and a script can be written for that part and played out on Zoom while and assistant is with the recruit in his living room, Chip on the smart TV.  I can hear him telling the parents, "Your son will be in the best physical condition ever, and he will enjoy the work that takes because it will make him a better player.  That leads to winning the day, every day.  And wining the day leads to winning football games."

 

Oregon has lots of advantages that UCLA does not.  Yes, Autzen is a better place to play than the Rose Bowl stadium.  All of the facilities are first class, and constantly being improved.  Nike and Phil and Penny Knight.  And, we have a history of putting players in the NFL.  

 

While I am not in favor of hiring Chip because of what he did here before when he broke the NCAA rules, I can see which way the wind is blowing.  I expect to hear about the rerun tomorrow.  Hope it works.  At least the offense will not be boring or predictable.

Grandpa Duck, very good post. I've wondered whether all of our injuries this year were a result of insufficient conditioning or just very bad luck.

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Re: Chip. Forget about the recruiting, people. Did you learn anything from Utah? It's all about WHAT YOU DO WITH WHAT YOU HAVE.

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Welcome Home Chip!!&

Win The Day!!!

Ducks are baaack & Quackin🤩🤩🤩

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According to a tweet just posted by John Canzano, Oregon hasn't made their final decision yet. Behind what he is calling "Door Number 1" is an NFL candidate and a college coach mystery candidate. Behind "Door Number 2" is Kelly and Wilcox. 

 

That all said, I originally said that I had heard it was going to be Chip Kelly, and I think when it's all said and done, it is going to be Chip Kelly.

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