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mrspenney, good take on the situation. In the long run what FOX and ESPN are doing is culling the herd. What they fail to recognize are the century old regional rivalries that have been part of footballs popularity. I will not be watching any uclasuc or uscsuc under any circumstances once they slither to the BIG...... Not interested in UCLA/Purdue or Usc/Maryland. Those are not rivalries. Those BIG matchups are not interesting. The BIG is not interesting. It's tOSU and everybody else. Last year was an outlier. HEC, the Rose Bowl is PAC champ against BIG runnerup. Probably SoCal fans will watch buy how many. Time will only tell. For certain their will be casualties along the way. Non revenue sports may very well turn into club sports. I believe that GK will do his best and the PAC 10 will move forward together.

The 12( 10 ) pac presidents are administrators not business innovators or leaders. They get appointed to take over what has already been built. They have 3 main functions, IMHO: Dont mess up the status quo..... Keep the alumni happy so donations and endowment funds continue to flow. Minimize scandals that tarnish the schools image. The certainly have more to do than that but i am in a gnarly mood over their poor decision making. Ovet the years they either received bad advice or ignored good advice. Same difference. The 12 schools would not hsve given up control with a 15% equity share. They may have even received some good advice/direction from their new partners. However an equity deal is not a television deal. The 2 are not one in the same. Probably a wise move to decline or at best minimize the ROI to the equity firm based on growth numbers. (My customers only pay me a % of the growth over an established baseline). The money would have needed to be invested wisely to grow the brand to increase the revenue streams. Each school would be receiving 15% less unless revenue increases were above 15%. I dont see how the 12 clowns could mske that happrn. However they did turn down TV partnerships with the networks. They forged ahead into something they lacked the experience to succeed in. The PAC failed miserably with their control of the PAC 12 Neywotk. Rather than partner with a proven neywork. WTH........ It appears from the article that the 2 traitor schools were against the equity stake. Maybe that was good, maybe it wasnt. I just wonder how long they were out to hurt the other 10 members. Since 2006, usuc and uclasuc have absolutely under performed in conference and on a national stage. These 2 schools dont even have an on campus stadium. If they cant even invest in themselves why would we expect them to be emotionally or monetarily invested in the PAC. They both cashed their equity share of the cash the DUCKS generated for the conference. Didnt they? Well past is past. Time to move forward. Let's hope better choices are on the horizon. One piece of advice, dont vacate the so cal and central california TV markets. Still millions of TV's to go get in Cali. The PAC'S greatest asset is the after 7 pm est TV viewing on Saturday night. Give the networks what they need and the money will follow. Not SEC/BIG money but good money. Add a few pieces and go get the table scraps that ESPN and ACC are offering. GO DUCKS......

Yes Duck 1972 and 1ducker1 are right on. Winning draws fans and gets TV sets turned on. Regardless of how we all move forward all schools need to invest time and money into winning. Start competing against our DUCKS and stop just collecting checks. The PAC can stay together and thrive. Just around the $30-$40 million dollar range. Not the $70-$100 million range. GEEZ that just looks bad.

Honest, trusting and up front people always need to be leery of the snakes and vipers. Every indication from AD's and the media was that GK was working his tail off for the conference. ALL of the conference members . George had no way to tell that a handshake agreement with the BIG and ACC meant nothing to the BIG. George had no idea that behind the phony, fake smiles, pats on the back and attaboys from usc/ucla were a set of 2 faced liars. Trust is everything, trust is everything. . . I/we wish GK the greatest amount of success in moving the PAC 10 forward. No matter what course of action is takin... I might remind AZ/ASU where their roots are from before they snub BSU, FSU and SDSU..... As for the traitors. Neither usuc or uclasuc have even held their own in the PAC for along time. The BIG is a gauntlet that just may chew you up. But no hard feelings. What goes around comes around. GO DUCKS......... What ever the outcome or landing spot between PAC, BIG 12 or ACC, Oregon is the prize. Only Clemson is our equal or better in the overall picture as a national brand. Those 2 schools should be talking and leading the way. Sorry that was very arrogant and brash. Boy i have learned alot from the PAC Presidents.

It has certainly been a roller coaster of a ride for all of us. It's one thing to take a 5☆ recruit from ND, LSU, TA&M or Michigan. Thats Top 15 recruiting When and if Young committs to Oregon that would be at the top level. The top top level. Pulling a recruit from Alabama or Georgia is and would be outstanding. Thats what it takes to pull a top 5 class. Along with top dollar NIL money.

This is great news. Hopefully the first of a few more 5☆ players committing to Oregon. I know its along way to LOI day but well done Coach Lanning and staff. Will be interesting to see how many 5☆ and high 4☆ Usuc committs really want to play in the midwest. Or the massive amount of 3☆ players that committ to ucla Gonna be wild ride. GO DUCKS ........

Thanks for your input sad Big12 fan. So glad that this Forum allows us to share our thoughts and feelings. I like your alignment proposal but feel sad that rivals would get left behind. Many on this forum feel that way, too. While others want to move forward with new visions Probably no right or wrong proposals at this point. One thing is certain and you can take this to the bank. The PAC 10 braintrust will make the worst decision possible for its members and your members, if possible. What they lack in vision they make up in arrogance. When you are circling the drain our presidents would rather drink drano or caustic soda. Heres hoping both conferences land in a better place......... Keep sharing your thoughts, feelings and opinions......

Dont know if it will be a conference game but looking forward to the matchup. West Texas fans are crazy good andclove their Red Raiders. sad Big12 fan, what are your thoughts about TT and San Diego State being part of a revised PAC 12? No rumors or any false conjecture, just wondering. Anything and everything is on the table at this point.

This could be a positive sign for Ducks fans. Of course a coach should be excited and supportive of any possible recruit. Couple this with the O around the SC (Sportcenter Logo) in the twitter announcement and my hopes are high. I would cross my fingers but this old gray beards arthritis wont allow it. GO DUCKS.......lets land this 5 star

Jester its the first time i have heard, read or even seen a mention that 6 is the magic number for the ACC. My advise is to take a day or 2 off from the madness we cannot control or have a say in. Kick back tonight and tomorrow night, have plenty of your favorite brew and watch the replays of some of your favorite Duck games Take solace that the Ducks, no matter where they land or stay, will be kicking butt on the gridiron and courts for years to come. GO DUCKS..........

At this point, its safe to believe everything is on the table. From the big dogs down (ND, Clemson, Oregon) to the last conference member. Even the fuskies....... These type of deals take time and the best negotiators keep their mouths shut. None of these so called reports/sources had an inkling of the Texas/OU or usc/ucla moves. Moves that shook the foundation of college sports. They didnt have an inkling. Why would they have any insider info now? However, if you can take the head spinning, these reports are fun to ponder. And this is the place to safely ponder and discuss.

David, yes Oregons brand definitely stretches beyond its footprint. It is, as you mention "National". ESPN, FOX and all others, i believe, recognize this. They just don't want to pay for. Get it on the cheap........ If strength comes in numbers, well Oregon simply has no one to bring with them. Washington is not a glamour name anymore. Since Don James retired they have made just one good coaching hire. And what have the other PAC members done to improve their product? Other than late night Saturday games what does the PAC offer the networks? Just games.... Oregon cant go it alone and deal from a position of strength. Even with Phil and Penny. Ask yourselves would you invest in the PAC brand? Hec it was weak even with usc and ucla. Going to take some innovation and solid negotiations by the PAC. They dont hold enough cards. Hec Oregon is their only card.

Great comments and thoughts about Moore. Its refreshing to discuss football and football players amidst all the turmoil. Regardless of where, when, why and how our OBD land well the future is about the players. And what does it take to land a Top 10 recruiting class. Year in and year out. Programs who the Ducks would normally win the recruiting battle with are paying top dollar thru the NIL framework. No 5☆ QB should pick Tennessee over Bama, the real Dawgs, tOSU or Oregon. As long as we have the dollars to pay top recruits then we can get top 10 classes. Coach them up and get to the CFP annually.......... This is something within Oregons control.

IMHO it feels like ESPN is in the position to take serious advantage of the weakened PAC 10. Lock out Fox and get the PAC cheap. At the same time give their network partner ACC a pay raise. Smart business move. It's in the BIG 12's interest to poach and destroy the PAC, if this article is accurate......... If 4 teams leave the PAC and join the BIG 12 then the new, expanded BIG 16 could step in and replace the now defunct PAC. Either way ESPN controls 3 of the remaining 4 Power Five Conferences. And the PAC 12 network is left for dead. As easy as it is to lay all the blame on Larry, well the 12 arrogant, incompetent in sports business, presidents shoulder the lions share. GEEZ, you lame ... fools, start making some quality decisions. How does it feel to negotiate from a position of weakness? Sorry for the rant. Of course there is no way to know whats true and accurate.

sad BIG12 fan......thanks for posting that brand value chart. Not sure of all the criteria used ro compile these statistics. It seems that the BIG is more interested in the number of eyeballs owning televisions. FOX and the BIG made a bold move and effectively robbed the PAC of near 30% of its TV sets. USC and UCLA brand values were less than i expected. Evidently the BIG and FOX didnt care. So how do we replace those 5.5 million tv sets in the LA Basin. Heres my thoughts. Not worth much but here goes in regards to the BIG 12 and PAC 10 only. I prefer other routes but here goes PAC 10. Keep all 10 and invite San Diego State- PAC needs a SoCal presence. SDSU is 100 miles from the land of traitors. A must for recruiting Fresno State- The Central Valley has millions of TV's and they watch Bulldog Football. Probably more than socal fans watch the traitors. Boise State- Idaho and Boise populations are ever growing and fast. Texas Tech moves from BIG 12 to help form PAC 14. TT fans are rabid and those West Texas TV's are on watching Red Raider football. Those 4 teams provide more TV sets than just SoCal. I think. BIG 12- Invite SMU in to replace TT. Reinvite Missouri and Nebraska back home. Their departures have not worked out well for the schools, players and fans. Other than the paydays Divided, both conferences are in a vulnerable position. Their Grant of Rights for TV are limited unless they merge into a 20-28 team conference. Give FOX, ESPN, CBS, ABC, NBC and streaming networks what they want TV sets with eyeballs. The networks will not broadcast CAL-SMU or Oregon State Houston but a streaming service will. They need content. The merger is not my first choice. I think Oregon to BIG settles the issues at hand. But I like keeping the rivalries intact for both conferences. If we take the everyman for itself route and go BIG? Well i can live with being a traitor. LOL.....

Gusduck71, at this point anyone and anything is possible. Lets assume smart business people with perspective are involved in the decision making process. Not just a bunch of unqualified school presidents rushing to not be left out. Discover where you sit in the pecking order: 1. Notre Dame can call the next shot. Then the dominoes can fall 2. If the BIG Invites Oregon, mutts and Stanford then AZ, ASU, UTAH and Colorado to BIG12. WSU, OSU and CAL to MWC. Maybe...... 3. If no invite to BIG then PAC and BIG 12 merge in some fashion. 4. Explore all options. ACC, unhappy BIG members. See if Oklahoma wants to reconsider. Whatever it takes. If no one in the room has perspective, well who knows whay will come of this.

Happy Birthday to "The Shameless Beggar". Best wishes for a great day. Man alive, Charles and America celebrating their birthday on the same day. Thank you Charles, the writers and all the volunteers for this great Forum. Just like Charles its a one of a kind............

I love this forum. It just rocks. At this point for some or many we have moved past the Point of View, great Ideas and valued opinion posts. All of which are deeply appreciated by all on this forum. Now it has become personal. Feelings and emotions come from our core. Our very core. There are no wrong feelings. Feelings are owned by just one person and others dont know them unless the owner shares them. Thanks for sharing. ....... Charles we will all have to come to grips with the final outcome. Regardless of what that outcome will be. It certainly is upsetting but not really any force that should drive our personal bus. If Phil Knight and other smart business people are in the room then the out come stands a better chance of being acceptable. If not, the 12 arrogant presidents got us into this mess over the last decade plus. They are not qualified to make these future decisions. We have no control over this. Anybody feel that the SEC/BIG havent privately met and discussed that they will be the only 2 superconferences making all the decisions. Hec they swiped 4 valuable assets from the BIG 12 and PAC 12, blindsiding everyone. We have no control over this either. If the ACC, AAC, BIG12, MAC, MWC and PAC dont see the value in creating 2 superconferences, sooner rather than later, then the SEC/BIG will continue to shape and control the landscape. Again we have no control over this. What I can control is whether i turn on that TV and watch the product those in control present. I vote with my time and my dollars. Thats what we all control. I will love, watch and support my Ducks. Whether the PAC survives or merges with the BIG 12. Whether we go independent, join the Mountain West or build a superconference. I will watch. I will not watch usc/Rutgers, ucla/Purdue. Texas/Vanderbilt or OU/Arkansa. Millions will not watch either. We can control that too...... The journey to the Natty will be more difficult. It is difficult for everyone now except but a few.... ucla, usc, texas and ou will not sniff that either. Unless the expanded playoffs are controlled by SEC/BIG. We cant control that either. I do control that i can enjoy this one of a kind Forum and the Ducks.... GO DUCKS.......

McDuck, i like that type of thinking. Another awesome ponder point. Kerp them coming. Some schools would be in favor if the annual payday was larger. However, leaving the BIG or SEC annual $100 Million pay outs would be financial suicide for any school. The new model may or may not reach that magnitude. IMHO what you propose may be the end result, any way. Consider this a chess match being played by the SEC and BIG. SEC Move (Texas- Oklahoma). BIG Counter move (usc-ucla) SEC Counter move maybe (Clemson FSU) BIG counter move maybe ( ND, Oregon-butt sniffers) These moves keep forcing other conferences to scramble. Potentially weakening other conferences. Is the SEC-BIG checkmate move shutting everyone else out of the CFP-NY6 games? If that happens then we will see another division level Since the SEC-BIG expansion moves were moves that blindsided BIG 12 and PAC 12 members, do any of you think that the SEC-BIG collective havent met in discussed the end game? Really........ They don't just want more money they may want it all.

Steven A, thanks for posting this article. The OBD Forum has been smokin hot since the piss ant traitors announced their magnanamous move to the BIG. This article and the topic of ND just adds jet fire to the discussion table. You asked if this is good news for Oregon. Hec, i am not sure Oregon knows whats the best move now. Afterall bad decision making for years has led us to this critical athletic department moment. (The Larry decision comes to mind) Had the 12 brain trust presidents even invited 4 or more BIG 12 members into the PAC then the current situation may have been different. I know many on this Forum were against expansion also. Well how is that decision working out now? As for ND........They collaborated with the ACC (Not the BIG) and joined the ACC in all sports except football and ice hockey. They must have had their reasons. Currently they have a clear path to the CFP. Win 10 games get a NY6 game. Win 11 get an invite to the CFP. Keep all the money and share with no one else. $80 to $100 million dollars is a much bigger number. A different pill to not swallow. ND is a proud school with proud traditions. They dont need the money. ND usually plays a strong schedule. But having to go thru tOSU, Penn State, usc (%/#???? Traitors) Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, MSU and ucla(i need a big welfare check traitor) in some fashion? Tougher road to CFP? Maybe. ND is a big fish in their own pond. They are a big dog.... tOSU is a big dog and they dont like to share.... If you add Oregon to the BIG then it gets tougher for all. As well as it does for Oregon. Seriously, in their current state of affairs, usc, ucla and the butt sniffers are not ready for the BIG. Is Oregon? The money would be great but 10-2, 11-1 seasons may be awhile in the making. Not to cast a shadow on any program. Its hard to do in the PAC. Add extra travel and brutal weather? Who knows.... No answers from me just more questions.....

BuBearFan72 you are continuing to deepen the OBD Forums conversation on this topic.Thanks.... In your opinion, how upset or resentful are the BIG 12 members toward the PAC? Especially when the BIG 12 was rejected by our arrogant Presidents..... The shoe is on the other foot now. The BIG 12 is in position to finish what the BIG started. Sending the PAC an obituary notice. On a different thread it was mentioned that AU, ASU, CAL, UTAH and COLORADO were meeting with the BIG 12 in Arizona this week. Not sure if this is fact but it smacks of everyman for itself. IMHO adding those teams would not help enhance the value of the BIG 12. They would not add media rights value. The 2 conferences must stick together to have strength at the negotiating TV rights table. Any expansion without Oregon and Washington involved would regulate the BIG 12 to regional value only. That would play into the SEC-BIG hands. A few wrong moves and only 2 conferences will be playing in the new CFP expansion model. (However, if Oregon, Washington and Stanford are headed to the BIG, then this is a prudent move.) The ACC, BIG 12, PAC, AAC, MAC and Mountain West conferences best consider forming their own 2 super conference models. 2 conferences with 8 divisions and a 4-2-1 playoff model. Vision, vision and more vision. Create what TV wants and be included. Or enjoy watching the BIG and SEC filling the CFP and NY6 games. Its obvious those guys are all about the money. Not some of it but all of it. ALL OF IT.......

BUBearsFan72, thanks for your post. There is alot to digest and contemplate after reading your post. In regards to fit I dont think that matters at this point. Its purely survival time for the PAC. As GeotechDuck pointed out, its about viewership and partners who bring eyeballs to the table. Putting high quality contests on TV that draw customers for advertisers. This potential merger would create the first 4 time zone, coast to coast conference. If ND moves to the BIG then NBC and Streaming Services will need content from sun up to sun down. Both FOX and ESPN will want a piece of that action, too! The BIG 12 is squarely in the drivers seat. However, the BIG 12 needs West Coast visibility as much as the PAC needs visibility in Texss. Both conferences need this for recruiting. Both conferences need a SoCal presence so San Diego State should be in the discussion. SoCal 5☆ recruits can easily drive from LA to San Diego to watch San Diego State play Baylor, OSU, Oregon, Utah or Washington The BIG 12 has been out performing the PAC on the gridiron and BB courts for awhile now. Adding Washington to the BIG 12 will help make up for losing Texas. Both schools feel they are the straw that stirs the drink of success. They know they are better than everyone else. Yet neither school has accomplished much on the gridiron or BB courts in awile. You will be able to disdain Washington as much as Texas. Some people or schools will always think they are better than everyone else. Other than geography, did Baylor or TCU really fit with Texas. Probably no more than WSU fit with USC, UCLA or Cal. What really matters is having partners who have big dollar boosters. The kind of boosters that will create million dollar NIL deals for 5☆ and high 4☆ recruits. Thats the FIT that probably means the most to ALL the schools.

Well Charles just as i was drifting off to sleep you tossed in these 2 grenades. My ancient brain is spinning. Both scenarios work for Oregon. Merge with the BIG 12 ASAP if we dont get a invite from the BIG immortals by next weekend. It shows the PAC and BIG 12 are proactive and not waiting around begging. This merger works well. The PAC has a footprint in Texas and the BIG 12 a footprint in Cali! Plus you now create a 4 time zone conference. (Cincinnati) Based upon exit fees I dont think the big players in the ACC can make a move. Unless their mega boosters cough up the money. Both FOX and ESPN know that Texas fans are not interested in upper midwest football. They will watch Oregon/Baylor, TT/WA, Utah/Houston etc. Especially if their teams win those games and Texas and OU become middle of the road SEC teams. Even if the new merger has a $50 or $100 million exit fee. Phil and Penny will pay that if they feel the future for Oregon is with the BIG. The money will be recouped quickly. Consider that the BIG needs to have a 4 team POD or Division out West. Oregon vs USC or UCLA, Washington vs USC or UCLA, USC vs UCLA and Oregon vs Washington are made for prime time. FOX can essentially block ESPN from the West Coast and these games bring potential huge dollars to the BIG. Unfortuneately their will be big casualties if Oregon and Washington leave the PAC for the BIG. It leaves a bad taste for many. Its a brand new world. When i was a youngster in the 50's television was black and white. Telephones were mounted on the wall. The first heart transplant was almost 2 decades away. No laptops. Look at how new ideas, new companies willing to take risks changed the world. In that process old companies unwilling to change fell by the wayside. The old ways, rivalries and traditions in college sports are heading that way too. GO DUCKS........

Just an added thought...... The remaining PAC members should consider getting out front with the remaining Texas schools before the BIG decides they want a foot print in Texas.. If that happens then the PAC or even the skeleton of the PAC is finished. Consider Baylor, TCU, TT, Houston and BYU, ISU, OK State and San Diego State. Now you beat the BIG or ACC from getting into Texas. As much as some on this Forum found no value in adding those school before, well it may be prudent to reconsider. I would also make a run at Oklahoma. I would propose unequal revenue sharing with Oklahoma and Oregon being the PACs flahship brands. The schools that bring less revenues should reward the top dogs. If not this conference will be just slightly above the Group of 5. Difficult to get a 5☆ recruit from Texas if FOX and ESPN shut you out. If they cant grow up watching you then you wont be their dream school. TV and NIL just changed the landscape of college football forever. The Rose Bowl will no longer be the prize for the PAC. How many times do you need to be hit with a nuke before you wake up and realize what's happening? The only option is to lead. If you follow consider that ESPN, FOX, SEC and BIG have already moved you out of their way.

Annie I like your thought here. However, at this point the decisions are being driven by the football product that brings the biggest TV dollars. USC and UCLA Presidents voted against previous expansion because iy wasnt in THEIR best interest. They didnt want to share revenues. Now they dont mind sharing with the BIG and those $100 million dollar annual payouts. If the 10 remaing PAC Presidents make a decision based on compatability then we have lost already. IMHO this is about football and TV rights. Get the best partners who can drive up dollars.