No Ducks Game, but A Lot of Good Games On Today

[David Marsh]

35-10 

 

Cal and Justin Wilcox is outright out coaching Cristobal. 

 

We've seen that happen before. 

[30Duck]

Hmmm, another touchdown for Cal. 35-10, still the 3rd quarter. 

[HDuck]

9:57 pm, Sat. Pacific Time

 

It's already past Midnight in Miami now for more than one reason.

 

Cal leads 35-10 with 8:06 left in third quarter.

[30Duck]

From everything I've heard, this is when Cam Ward takes the game over. 

[HDuck]

Mario 3-1 vs Cal while with Ducks.  1-1 at Bezerkley.

[30Duck]

Touchdown & 2 point conversion, Cal 35 Miami 18. 

[30Duck]

Jeanty turns 13 carries into 186 yards as Boise State rolls - ESPN

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[Nevada Dawg]

Skippin to the end here and will read and react to this thread tomorrow if it is still up. Had a chat with my dear Duck buddy before the game who is also a MLB baseball fan. His assessment pre-games was that this was a blah Saturday with few if any games of any consequence so that he would be checking in on the Georgia game but concentrating on baseball playoffs. I reminded him that I had been a baseball player who had had an opportunity to play professionally (I'd have never made it very far) but was not going to waste a perfectly good football Saturday watching a game that is exciting only in spurts.

 

IMHO, this turned out to be One of the more exciting college football Saturdays that this witness, undoubtedly one of the oldest viewers on this forum have ever witnessed. All day long upsets ( from A&M's beast mode with Missouri through the Vandy stunner and Arky's thrilling takedown of Tennessee (but thankfully not my Dawgs). Last I looked Cal was handed it to Cristobal's boys 21-10 and every league had a surprise or two it seems. Have to follow this as I get into bed with my novel. Looking forward to digesting all your thoughts in the morning.

 

P.S. I had fun posting all the updates all day to my baseball watching Duck buddy. Yes, we are very good friends and he wasn't offended--in fact invited me to meet up for lunch on Monday.

[WaterPoloDuck]

I'm watching Miami-Cal right now. And MC is doing one of the same things he did at Oregon. He's letting the clock go down to 10 or less seconds regularly when he really needs to preserve the clock. I am so glad we upgraded to DL.

[30Duck]

On 10/5/2024 at 10:36 PM, Nevada Dawg said:

Have to follow this as I get into bed with my novel.

Enjoy the novel, I'm in the middle of James Patterson. myself. 

[30Duck]

Hmmm, 38-25 Cal, still 12 minutes left. 

[David Marsh]

Cal's defense is exhausted... The offense needs to put up at least 3. 

[30Duck]

Too easy of a TD run for Ward, 38-32. 4:04 left. 

[David Marsh]

Miami bailed out by officials and replay again. 

[HDuck]

Horrible non-call for targeting by Miami.  The Cane ducked and led with his head, and rose on this toes to spear.

[30Duck]

Okay, Miami has the ball, trails 38-32. Needs a TD, starts at the 7. First play gets them to Cal's 15. 

[WaterPoloDuck]

The non-call for targeting was utter nonsense. ACC wants Miami to win

[30Duck]

On 10/5/2024 at 11:15 PM, HDuck said:

Horrible non-call for targeting by Miami.  The Cane ducked and led with his head, and rose on this toes to spear.

Once again, the Review loves Miami. 

[WaterPoloDuck]

He was way past the line. They better call that illegal forward pass

[WaterPoloDuck]

These refs are on Miami payroll. My goodness

[30Duck]

Martinez was at Oregon State last season. 

[Desert Duck]

Da Bears... What a shame a lousy way to give a game away. 

[30Duck]

On 10/5/2024 at 11:26 PM, Desert Duck said:

Da Bears... What a shame a lousy way to give a game away. 

Yeah, but overall, a great football day, 

[30Duck]

A Cal student won $100,000 for making a field goal on "GameDay"

[Just Ducky]

On 10/5/2024 at 11:26 PM, Desert Duck said:

Da Bears... What a shame a lousy way to give a game away. 

I am about ready to puke. Officiating gets worse every year. Seems like it’s showing its ugly head all over the country. 

[David Marsh]

Miami is NOT a top 10 team. 

 

Their two wins against Virginia Tech and Cal, the only two P4 teams they've ayed that don't have losing records but barely so, brought them down to the wire and put over 30 points on them. 

 

Miami's stats are padded by cupcakes right now. 

[OregonDucks]

On 10/5/2024 at 11:42 PM, 30Duck said:

The replay booth will not be enough to save Miami this time. 

The ACC replay booth saw your post and laughed out loud.  Never bet against ACC refs!

[cartm25]

Cal lost a 25 point lead.

 

Refs didn’t do that.

 

They built the lead with passing downfield and screens.

 

It’s like a mind virus that they move from what built the lead once they get the lead.

 

Started running into the Miami DL which is formidable.

 

WHY GO AWAY FROM WHAT WAS CARVING UP MIAMI?

 

Was really hoping to see angry Cristbal post game conference; ruined my evening.

[kirklandduck]

On 10/5/2024 at 11:33 PM, David Marsh said:

Miami is NOT a top 10 team. 

 

Their two wins against Virginia Tech and Cal, the only two P4 teams they've ayed that don't have losing records but barely so, brought them down to the wire and put over 30 points on them. 

 

Miami's stats are padded by cupcakes right now. 

There should be a huge shakeup in the AP top 10 tomorrow. I hope Miami doesn’t get a bump up, they don’t deserve it.

[HDuck]

the non-call

 

 

[HDuck]

oh, and by the way

 

 

[cartm25]

On 10/6/2024 at 12:33 AM, David Marsh said:

Miami is NOT a top 10 team. 

 

Their two wins against Virginia Tech and Cal, the only two P4 teams they've ayed that don't have losing records but barely so, brought them down to the wire and put over 30 points on them. 

 

Miami's stats are padded by cupcakes right now. 

Unpopular opinion incoming, but it is my own.

 

You may be right about Miami, but if I had to take a blind comparison test between Miami and Oregon’s resume this far, this is the more impressive of the two:

 

 

[AnotherOD]

I understand when a team blows a lead, there often are posts like, "the refs didn't blow an X point lead" but

 

when the game comes down to a single play that ends the game for the team blowing the lead and they hold on to their win?

 

And the refs blatantly (and quite possibly unethically - as in the ACC refs instructing the outcome from an office somewhere - which protects the team that has the most financial beneficial to them to do so) erase the game winning play in favor of the team that just lost?

 

Yes, in this instance in fact the refs did take a win away from one team and give it to another on one play. All Cal's blowing it in the last 19 minutes didn't matter because they actually did finally make a play which won them the game.

 

And arguably it wasn't even a single play. In the post-game discussion over on Reddit, there are four plays in the final minutes of the game that all favored Miami (which was the road team).

 

For those who have never watched it or otherwise are unfamiliar, take a look at the final seconds of the 1972 Olympic basketball final, where the refs replayed the final three seconds of the gold metal game three times, after the USSR lost the game the first two times.

 

The US team, which had won seven gold metals in a row with a 63-0 all time Olympic record, to this day has never accepted its silver metals, despite seval attempts by the OIC to get them to do so, with even one member, Kenny Davis, having it written in his will forbidding his wife, children, or descendents from ever accepting the metal on his behalf.

 

40 years after the game Davis put together a reunion of the team members and they unanimously voted to continue to reject the metals stating simply, "By the rules of the game, we won."

 

If allowed to regularly pass with comments like, "the refs didn't lose the game", possibly leads college football even further down the same path.

 

Judgment calls are one thing, blatantly swallowing whistles and not making obvious calls to protect a favored team to alter the outcome, quite another.

 

Edited October 6 by AnotherOD

[AnotherOD]

A sample of some of the fan thoughts from the 3,000+ responses in the Cal-Miami post-game thread:

 

RemoteAbalone8687:

 

"I'm not somebody who usually thinks sports are fixed but that game was rigged 100%."

 

"The game is rigged because Miami is the only chance the ACC has of having a good team."

 

JacobDeGood48:

 

"Everybody talking about Cam Ward and Damien Martinez but I think the refs were Miami's most important portal acquisition."

 

Garret126:

 

"ACC 's going overtime to prop up a team to save a dying conference."

 

TheBoilerCat:

 

"ACC refs pulling off quite the impressive weekend to keep Miami undefeated."

 

Beartato327:

 

"That targeting should have iced the game."

 

Fifth_Down:

 

"It's so ****** a top 10 team can avoid upset in back-to-back weeks based entirely on their own conference refs not following the text book definition of the rule book during an automatic replay review."

 

Woullie_26:

 

"Like, you gotta at least to try to make it look fair."

 

Its_LOL:

 

"ACC in survival mode trying to gift wrap Miami an undefeated season."

 

Cmonkeybaum:

 

"I know we'll keep watching, but do they think we are stupid????"

 

tvcneverdie:

 

"Cal blew this majorly but ACC refs are completely in bed for Miami, gross dude."

 

DelPride:

 

"I didn't think they could top last week, holy **** they did!"

 

"2 weeks in a row Miami is saved literally by the ACC review studio. Hmmm. Yeah sure nothing fishy at all."

 

Seminal-Patriot:

 

"Worse called game since ... Miami's last game."

 

Dollars:

 

"The ACC refs need to be investigated. Not sure I've ever seen a targeting call that text book level not called."

 

TrustMeIKnowThisOne:

 

"ACC review booth projected to make the CFP."

 

Levajack:

 

"ACC review booth is now leading in the Heisman race as well."

 

AuGaSkittles:

 

"Congrats to the ACC review booth for 2 straight huge comebacks."

 

Skyelighted:

 

"ACC review center definitely understands there are tens of millions of dollars at stake in the upcoming lawsuits and 2025-2026 negotiations would greatly benefit from having an undefeated conference champion in the playoffs."

 

JakeSnake42:

 

"Cal, welcome to the Miami ref show!"

 

SemiShPost:

 

"ACC refs need to put on Miami jerseys at this point."

 

DoctorBursyGator:

 

"They gotta do an investigation into ACC refs. Absolutely trying to keep the conference alive."

 

KeyPossibility464:

 

"This game just felt dirty."

 

 

 

[30Duck]

On 10/5/2024 at 11:38 PM, OregonDucks said:

The ACC replay booth saw your post and laughed out loud.  Never bet against ACC refs!

It was kind of poking the bear, wasn't it?

[Desert Duck]

Talk about new meaning for the term "The 12th Man."

 

Crap like this just damages the sport.

Edited October 6 by Desert Duck

[OregonDucks]

On 10/6/2024 at 2:33 AM, AnotherOD said:

And the refs blatantly (and quite possibly unethically - as in the ACC refs instructing the outcome from an office somewhere - which protects the team that has the most financial beneficial to them to do so) erase the game winning play in favor of the team that just lost?

College football needs to do away with conference officials. All college officials should be NCAA officials to reduce these potential biases. The NFC South does not have their own officials.  

[OregonDucks]

On 10/6/2024 at 1:56 AM, cartm25 said:

Unpopular opinion incoming, but it is my own.

 

You may be right about Miami, but if I had to take a blind comparison test between Miami and Oregon’s resume this far, this is the more impressive of the two:

 

 

If you throw out the traditional brand names, Oregon has a tougher strength of schedule with a win against a potential playoff team. Luckily, most voters do not agree with you.  Miami should have one or two losses, if the officials did not intervene.  
 

Miami certainly has no one on their schedule tougher than Oregon’s next opponent. That’s not even debatable.

Edited October 6 by OregonDucks

[30Duck]

On 10/5/2024 at 11:56 PM, cartm25 said:

You may be right about Miami, but if I had to take a blind comparison test between Miami and Oregon’s resume this far, this is the more impressive of the two:

Blind comparison may favor Miami, but I think the Smell test goes in Oregon's favor. 

[The Kamikaze Kid]

On 10/6/2024 at 9:45 AM, 30Duck said:

On 10/5/2024 at 11:56 PM, cartm25 said:

You may be right about Miami, but if I had to take a blind comparison test between Miami and Oregon’s resume this far, this is the more impressive of the two:

 

Does Miami have a better win than Boise St? 

[30Duck]

ACC Refs Bailed Out Miami On Bad Penalties

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Miami stayed undefeated with a massive comeback college football win over Cal on Saturday night. The Hurricanes were once again...

 

[30Duck]

Brock Osweiler questions 'if officials are getting calls correct' after non-call

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Brock Osweiler questioned if "officials are getting the calls correct" after Miami benefited from an official ruling a second straight week.

 

[cartm25]

On 10/6/2024 at 10:45 AM, 30Duck said:

Blind comparison may favor Miami, but I think the Smell test goes in Oregon's favor. 

I think I agree with that.

 

I’m trying to balance things in my mind, and play devil’s advocate to every idea/opinion I, and others, have.

If Oregon played Miami next week and won, what perspective should we take?

 

The established one that Miami is nothing and has played no one and has only won because of the refs. As such, Oregon shouldn’t move up in the polls?

 

OR

 

Big statement win over a top 10 ten team that firmly establishes Oregon as a National Championship contender. And suddenly we start arguing Miami is better than we thought.

 

Honestly some of my favorite parts of college football are the mental gymnastics from all fans.

[Nevada Dawg]

When I tuned in after the end of Georgia-Auburn, I did so because I knew this Vandy team was no pushover. The previous game with Missouri (in Missouri, I believe) was ample evidence of that. First thing I saw was very little red in the main stands. Usually when Georgia or Alabama play in Nashville, the stands are predominantly red as the visiting fans take over the place. So the Vandy fans had bought in.

 

I then watched Bama pull within 5 with several minutes to go. I thought two first downs and it is over. Then I watched Vandy come to the line and play the kind of smash-mouth football I had rarely ever seen out of them. Of course we know the result.

 

Vandy has become a decent football team and, if they can keep this coach from being hired away, they have a chance to remain relevant. I am not kidding myself here. If Bama and Vandy played 10 times, the Tide would win eight or nine of them. But not on this day, and games like this one is one of the things that makes college football great.

 

Welcome to the SEC Kalen DeBoer!

[30Duck]

On 10/6/2024 at 11:37 AM, cartm25 said:

Big statement win over a top 10 ten team that firmly establishes Oregon as a National Championship contender. And suddenly we start arguing Miami is better than we thought.

If Oregon played Miami, or any other team, the higher ranked they are, the better an Oregon win would look. I agree that one does a workout going through all this. My deal with Miami though is I see their ranking as clear example of college football being taken over by Entertainment driven forces.

 

Miami is a story, now the officiating controversy adds even more to that. Fortunately, their ranking is just annoying so far. 

 

[cartm25]

On 10/6/2024 at 10:53 AM, The Kamikaze Kid said:

Does Miami have a better win than Boise St? 

I don’t “think” so, but . . .
 

If we apply the same standard used to critique Miami’s schedule (ie, they’ve played no one), has Boise St. beat anyone that should make us believe they’re something special?

[cartm25]

On 10/6/2024 at 12:45 PM, 30Duck said:

If Oregon played Miami, or any other team, the higher ranked they are, the better an Oregon win would look. I agree that one does a workout going through all this. My deal with Miami though is I see their ranking as clear example of college football being taken over by Entertainment driven forces.

 

Miami is a story, now the officiating controversy adds even more to that. Fortunately, their ranking is just annoying so far. 

 

Fair take.

 

I also worry about the incentive structure of college football now.

[The Kamikaze Kid]

I'd say BSU losing on the road to No. 3 UO on the last play of the game looks better than Miami's seven minute review reversing a game losing TD and surviving Cal Couging it. I think what saves Mario's bacon in the polls this week  is that everybody behind him 9-11 all lost badly. So far it looks to me like the ref's are doing the best prop up job for Mario I've seen since A Weekend at Bernie's.

[David Marsh]

On 10/6/2024 at 9:53 AM, The Kamikaze Kid said:

Does Miami have a better win than Boise St? 

I don't think Miami would beat Boise State... I don't think they'd lose badly either but I don't think that's a guaranteed win. 

 

I think if Miami played Oregon's schedule they'd beat Idaho, Oregon State, UCLa, and Michigan State... But I'm not sure on Boise. That one would be close. 

 

Miami also doesn't have any ranked opponents currently on their schedule. Louisville lost and fell out of the rankings. Louisville is probably the hardest opponent left on their schedule as well.