30Duck Moderator No. 1 Share Posted November 17 (edited) I don't know what they're looking for. I really don't,” Smart said. “I wish they could really define the criteria. I wish they could do the eyeball test where they come down here and look at the people we're playing against and look at them. You can't see that stuff on TV, and so I don't know what they look for. But that's for somebody else to decide. I'm worried about our team.” There was an obvious argument that Georgia could and should have been ranked higher despite having two losses. The quality of those losses combined with a pair of very impressive wins by the Bulldogs this season made it pretty clear that they deserved a top 10 spot, and Smart pointed that out on Saturday night as well. “They're not in that environment,” Smart said. “They're not at Ole Miss in that environment, playing against that defense, which is top five in the country with one of the best pass rushers in the country, and they're fired up. They got a two-score lead, and they're coming every play. They don't know. They don't understand that.” Dale Zanine-Imagn Images Edited November 17 by 30Duck 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Rocks No. 2 Share Posted November 17 If the ducks lost last night there would be no mercy for them from the press. If they said a similar statement it would be perceived as whiny. Although as someone here pointed out earlier, respect for the ducks is growing nationally. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanLduck No. 3 Share Posted November 17 It is frustrating. What, indeed, are the criteria?!? Does anyone know? Indiana blows out Nebraska on the road, tOSU struggles against Neb at home, but the Bucknuts are better? Boise keeps winning and they drop out of the top 12? Clearly the ACC and Big12 don't look as tough as other conferences... Wisconsin loses to teams with worse records than ours, but we need a 4th qtr comeback to win?! I would prefer the committee to post open guidelines preseason to avoid the look of bias and favoritism. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haywarduck Moderator No. 4 Share Posted November 17 Great quote, 'they don't know, they don't understand' pretty much sums it up. The problem is if we lose in the championship game, we will be crucified. On the road, in potentially an opponents home state, and the committee will weight a late season loss heavier than the rest of our wins. Not an easy job, but like the officiating we see every Saturday, it would be nice to see a little more out of these people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
30Duck Author Moderator No. 5 Share Posted November 17 (edited) On 11/17/2024 at 10:21 AM, DanLduck said: I would prefer the committee to post open guidelines preseason to avoid the look of bias and favoritism. Way back, the two Polls picked the Champ. That was replaced with the BCS, which gave us Miami vs Nebraska in 2001. Next, we got to have it decided on the field, with a committee, and the SEC Invitational, where the Champ didn't even have to play in their Conference's championship game. Now the Committee is tasked with picking 12 teams, and the criteria we can discern is that in the morning they see which teams won, without taking into account who they've played. Edited November 17 by 30Duck 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drake Moderator No. 6 Share Posted November 17 It’s never going to be a perfect system. Win and loss record has to be a major criteria. Schedules will always range from very difficult, to less difficult. How do you objectively measure less difficult. Key players get injured, so beating a very good team with key players injured should not be considered a “good win” ? Having an SEC team complain about how difficult it is to make the playoff doesn’t gain much empathy from me. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitnessczar No. 7 Share Posted November 17 Sounds to me like Kirby was describing what can happen in any football game. The question is what are you going to do about it. And if you can't figure out how to come back and win. You are probably not good enough to win a national championship. It wasn't that they lost to Ole Miss. It's how bad they looked doing it. And no watching film doesn't give you a perfect idea of how teams look in person. But A. They watch a lot of games. And B they all have been around football for many years. And have been up close and personal with the teams. Stop whining Kirby and win. If Georgia lost yesterday they would be below .500 against top 25 teams. Not a recipe for winning champions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JabbaNoBargain No. 8 Share Posted November 17 (edited) They don’t produce guidelines because they don’t exist. It’s probably impossible to have a “league” with 130 teams and unequivocally determine who the best 12 truly are. How do you “prove” the 5th place team in the best league is better than the 2nd place team in the 4th best league when they don’t even have a common opponent? You can’t. You come up with what is probably the best 12, give a nod to a degree of broader inclusion in case you’re wrong, and call it close enough. Anyone asking for “the formula” is just politicking IMO. Edited November 17 by JabbaNoBargain 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
30Duck Author Moderator No. 9 Share Posted November 17 On 11/17/2024 at 10:52 AM, Fitnessczar said: Stop whining Kirby and win. If Georgia lost yesterday they would be below .500 against top 25 teams. Not a recipe for winning champions. Good point, though they did win. This weekend, at Ohio State, will be the first Top 25 team Indiana will play this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Marsh No. 10 Share Posted November 17 On 11/17/2024 at 10:57 AM, JabbaNoBargain said: Anyone asking for “the formula” is just politicking IMO. I agree. The way college football is set up there can't be a true system for this playoff. The B1G is top heavy with at least three teams certainly worthy of a spot in the playoff. Indiana gets to prove themselves against Ohio State and if they lose that one by 3 or less (or win it) I think it's difficult to leave them out. Not impossible but difficult. Penn State has been good but not great but probably playoff worthy. The SEC doesn't have he juggernaut team this year... They have a bunch of mediocre teams that are good-mediocre but I don't think they'll make deep playoff runs. Georgia, Texas and Ole Miss look like the three ready for the playoff... Depending on which version shows up. The ACC is awful and the only reason why Miami has one loss is because they're in the ACC. Right now I think SMU wins the ACC but we'll see. I doubt the ACC champ is much better if at all than the good-mediocres of the SEC. The Big 12 is entertaining but just as weak as the ACC. Colorado can win it and Colorado was demolished by Nebraska. I don't think Colorado could beat any of the teams coming from the Power 2. Then the G5... Well Boise is a good team and they could probably knock out the Big 12 and ACC Champs. How is anyone supposed to create a formula for any of this. Furthermore, the SEC only plays 8 conference games. A good chunk of this chaos would be resolved if they played 9 conference games because we'd see a lot of these 2 loss teams with 3. Here's the actual formula... How many losses? Have you beat any highly ranked teams? If you have losses who were they to and how bad? Do you have a strong national brand? Have you beaten any strong national brands? That's about it. This is why Indiana will drop out of the playoff if they lose by a touchdown or more against Ohio State and why Georgia just needs to win out to get in. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
30Duck Author Moderator No. 11 Share Posted November 17 (edited) On 11/17/2024 at 11:28 AM, David Marsh said: This is why Indiana will drop out of the playoff if they lose by a touchdown or more against Ohio State and why Georgia just needs to win out to get in. Or because that will be the only top 25, 2nd with a winning record, let alone top 5, team Indiana will have played this season. Edited November 17 by 30Duck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JabbaNoBargain No. 12 Share Posted November 17 (edited) Kirby was fine with the system until it gave a result that didn’t favor him. Edited November 17 by JabbaNoBargain 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Moderator No. 13 Share Posted November 17 Thanks, 30. Spot on Coach Kirby. But you do not have to be in the environment if you rely on meaningful statistics and not simply count the number of losses a team has. 13 Eye-Testers need new and not B(C)S eyeglasses. Where would Texas be today if it played Georgia's schedule? Indiana? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Moderator No. 14 Share Posted November 17 On 11/17/2024 at 2:43 PM, JabbaNoBargain said: Kirby was fine with the system until it gave a result that didn’t favor him. Have to disagree here, my friend. The Dawgs were 12-1 last season, not in the 4-team PO and I never heard Kirby beef. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Marsh No. 15 Share Posted November 17 On 11/17/2024 at 11:33 AM, 30Duck said: Or because that will be the only top 25, 2nd with a winning record, let alone top 5, team Indiana will have played this season. The reality is that the 12 team playoff will include more teams but not more true contenders. Would Indiana win a game against Boise State, the Big 12 or an ACC champ? Probably... Would they beat one of the SEC mediocres? Good chance of it but maybe not. The format guarantees the Big 12, ACC, and G5 get one team in. That does mean that other teams that could just as deserving get left out. Should Indiana be punished for playing the schedule they're given? They might be if they get blown out by Ohio State. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
30Duck Author Moderator No. 16 Share Posted November 17 On 11/17/2024 at 12:42 PM, David Marsh said: Should Indiana be punished for playing the schedule they're given? They might be if they get blown out by Ohio State I don't think it would be a punishment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalBear95 No. 17 Share Posted November 17 There is no doubt that Georgia has played one of, if not the most, difficult schedules this year. Their losses have been on the road to highly ranked teams and they deserve grace for that. But it’s also fair to say Georgia’s play has been highly inconsistent to the point of being erratic. So this ‘eye test’ he’s asking for cuts both ways. Which Georgia shows up? With all of that said, I don’t want to hear one single ounce of complaining from any SEC team or fan until they move to a 9 conference game schedule. Don’t give me that ‘but our league is harder and so it would be unfair’ garbage. They are gaming the system to max out the number of teams with 2 losses or less. They shouldn’t be rewarded for doing so. As many have said in other posts, what in any other conference would be called the parity of the mediocre, with the SEC it’s a deep bench of excellence and that it would not be crazy for 5 of their teams to go to the Playoffs 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
30Duck Author Moderator No. 18 Share Posted November 17 On 11/17/2024 at 3:08 PM, CalBear95 said: They are gaming the system to max out the number of teams with 2 losses or less. They shouldn’t be rewarded for doing so. As many have said in other posts, what in any other conference would be called the parity of the mediocre, with the SEC it’s a deep bench of excellence and that it would not be crazy for 5 of their teams to go to the Playoffs Can't argue with any of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
