FishDuck Article Administrator No. 1 Share Posted January 21 We entered the 2024 season knowing that the 12-team playoff was upon us, but the impact was not truly felt until December, after the playoff had started. Since it has now fully been felt, I expect some changes in the ways that coaches strategize their regular season. Mr. FishDuck took a break from his review of valorant upcoming events to ... Three Thoughts on the 12-Team Playoff | FishDuck FISHDUCK.COM Darren Perkins of FishDuck.com takes a look at the way the new 12-team playoff has, and will, change college football. 1 2 Two Sites: FishDuck and the Our Beloved Ducks forum, The only "Forum with Decorum!" And All-Volunteer? What a wonderful community of Duck fans! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
30Duck Moderator No. 2 Share Posted January 21 Any Michigan fan that snorts, "Oh yeah, we beat you" to a Buckeye shouldn't get any response other than a suggestion to look at the National Champion hat Buck is wearing. The B1G Championship trophy looks nice in Oregon's case, along with the undefeated season. The ACC Commish says a regular season matters when the format he favors clearly shows it doesn't and that winning the CCG is a blow to your "opportunity" of winning the Natty. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cartm25 No. 3 Share Posted January 21 Thank you for the article @Darren Perkins Given the nearly unanimous, universal criticism of the seeding in the 12-team format, I think that will get fixed and the CCG will have some importance. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanLduck No. 4 Share Posted January 21 Get rid of auto bids for conference Champs and you will be absolutely correct, NFL lite. However, both finals teams got the benefit of doubt by being bluebloods. How many other 2 loss teams didn't get in? Or how many lost a game to a non- fbs school and got in? The current 12 team format needs some tweaking for sure. In most sports, the playoffs make the regular season moot. Especially NHL. Only MLB and March Madness seem to have figured out how to keep the season relevant. In CFB rankings are still determined by unclear rules and good-ol-boys eye test. Too much subjectivity. Well, I still want us to win every game! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
noDucknewby No. 5 Share Posted January 21 From a fan's perspective I'd call it a qualified success. For the bean counters I'd call it a home run. To quote Pink Floyd, "We're so happy we can hardly count." Clearly the seeding process needs to change when all four conference champs lose their first game. Granted it's a small sample size, but when your #1 ranked team has arguably the most difficult path, then the process is fundamentally flawed. OK I'm now King of the CFP, here's what I'd do: 1. Top five Conference champs get guaranteed spot, not seed, similar to March Madness. The 12 teams are selected and are seeded by rank. 2. The quarterfinals are played on campus. Yeah I know this hurts the Rose Bowl and the other former NY6 bowls, but the scheduling could be restructured so that the semi-finals are played on New Year's Day. I know it's tricky, but starting the season a week earlier is the simplest fix. There's already a handful of games played in week 0 as it is. 3. The top four seeds get a bye AND home field advantage for the quarter finals. The elimination round is played the week after the conference championships, then a break before the quarterfinals. And somehow or other rectify the massive payday ND gets to hog if they make the playoffs. Every other team in a conference has to split the take with the other members.. 1 1 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Moderator No. 6 Share Posted January 21 On 1/21/2025 at 12:29 PM, DanLduck said: Get rid of auto bids for conference Champs and you will be absolutely correct, NFL lite. However, both finals teams got the benefit of doubt by being bluebloods. How many other 2 loss teams didn't get in? Or how many lost a game to a non- fbs school and got in? The current 12 team format needs some tweaking for sure. In most sports, the playoffs make the regular season moot. Especially NHL. Only MLB and March Madness seem to have figured out how to keep the season relevant. In CFB rankings are still determined by unclear rules and good-ol-boys eye test. Too much subjectivity. Well, I still want us to win every game! With the Pac-Whatever that was the last 'conference' to approve the change from 6-6 to 5-7, and having a veto power along with the other G5 conferences, we will not see significant if any, change next season as would be approved by the Power 4. The B12's beef over a G5 team being seeded ahead of ASU was legitimized in the PO 2nd round. No unanimous vote is required in 2026-27 with the B1G and the SEC holding more voting power than the other conferences. Seeding will be 'As Ranked.' If this was the case this season, OBD would have played the winner of No. 9 Boise State at No. 8 Indiana. An OBD or Indiana Rose Bowl win would have meant another $6M for the B1G and another $3M in travel expenses for the victor. Chip Kelly told John Canzano that he planned for a 16-game season and called plays accordingly. I guess at the start of the season Chip knew tOSU was in whether it won the conference title or even played in the Conference Champ game. Now, about the 3rd quarter malaise and being the B1G Champion. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Perkins No. 7 Share Posted January 21 On 1/21/2025 at 9:29 AM, DanLduck said: Get rid of auto bids for conference Champs and you will be absolutely correct, NFL lite. However, both finals teams got the benefit of doubt by being bluebloods. How many other 2 loss teams didn't get in? Or how many lost a game to a non- fbs school and got in? The current 12 team format needs some tweaking for sure. In most sports, the playoffs make the regular season moot. Especially NHL. Only MLB and March Madness seem to have figured out how to keep the season relevant. In CFB rankings are still determined by unclear rules and good-ol-boys eye test. Too much subjectivity. Well, I still want us to win every game! The division champions in the NFL get an automatic home game. I remember my 2010, 7-9 Seahawks getting a home game that they clearly did not deserve, so this is like the current college format. But, it needs to change asap. There is parody in the NFL that college does not have. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solar No. 8 Share Posted January 21 Watching the anguish of Notre Dame and their fan base after it was clear they were going to lose did make me think. For the first time in FBS history 11 of the arguably best 12 teams in the country finished their season with a painful loss. Such is the reality of a playoff. It reminds me of my decision as a college track and field jumper to not participate in the high jump. One reason is it took so long during the meet, but the other reason is I had no interest in finishing every meet by failing to clear the bar 3 times in a row. Recency bias is tough thing to overcome as a fan, and we'd better get used to this new reality as a team that will find its way into the playoffs on a near yearly basis that our last game of the season is likely to be loss. I'll try not to cry in my drink about finishing 13-1 next time it happens, but no promises.. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Perkins No. 9 Share Posted January 21 On 1/21/2025 at 9:36 AM, noDucknewby said: From a fan's perspective I'd call it a qualified success. For the bean counters I'd call it a home run. To quote Pink Floyd, "We're so happy we can hardly count." Clearly the seeding process needs to change when all four conference champs lose their first game. Granted it's a small sample size, but when your #1 ranked team has arguably the most difficult path, then the process is fundamentally flawed. OK I'm now King of the CFP, here's what I'd do: 1. Top five Conference champs get guaranteed spot, not seed, similar to March Madness. The 12 teams are selected and are seeded by rank. 2. The quarterfinals are played on campus. Yeah I know this hurts the Rose Bowl and the other former NY6 bowls, but the scheduling could be restructured so that the semi-finals are played on New Year's Day. I know it's tricky, but starting the season a week earlier is the simplest fix. There's already a handful of games played in week 0 as it is. 3. The top four seeds get a bye AND home field advantage for the quarter finals. The elimination round is played the week after the conference championships, then a break before the quarterfinals. And somehow or other rectify the massive payday ND gets to hog if they make the playoffs. Every other team in a conference has to split the take with the other members.. I agree. Of course, when ND does not make it they get zilch, so high risk, high reward for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Fischer Administrator No. 10 Share Posted January 21 From The Athletic... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Did the 12-team Playoff work? So, did the first edition of the 12-team Playoff accomplish what it set out to do? Andy McCullough wrote in-depth about the cultural impact of expanding college football’s postseason format. Here, let’s recap three key pieces and determine whether they were successes: Fan interest: Success. The number of average viewers nearly doubled from the first round to the semifinals. The championship featured two of the sport's biggest brands, with very little argument about whether either deserved to be there. Fans followed teams from passionate home-game atmospheres to traditional bowl sites, giving even the casual fan more to root for as the postseason went on. “College football has never fulfilled its potential in terms of fan interest across the country,” former CFP director Bill Hancock told The Athletic. The expanded field offers a better opportunity to achieve that. Seeding: Needs work. The sample size is too small to start making broad assumptions about the lopsided first-round games or about all of the teams with byes losing in their Playoff debuts. The championship being played between No. 7 Notre Dame and No. 8 Ohio State, both of whom had been seeded well behind No. 3 Boise State, No. 4 Arizona State and others, speaks to the weirdness of it all, though. And some needed tweaks are clear. Oregon drew much too difficult of a path for an undefeated No. 1 seed. The timeline: Hung jury. The expanded Playoff brought us the longest college football season ever. There were 43 days between the CFP final rankings being announced and Ohio State winning the crown. College football’s December calendar is already crowded, and the longer Playoff complicates it further — particularly for players who intend to transfer. I’ll never complain about more football, especially when the stakes are high, but college football going late into January is a long stretch. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mr. FishDuck: I simply recall how with two weeks left in the regular season....28, that is TWENTY EIGHT teams still had a shot at the Playoff. The interest generated for so many teams and fan bases is enormous. Mr. FishDuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
30Duck Moderator No. 11 Share Posted January 21 On 1/21/2025 at 1:43 PM, Charles Fischer said: And some needed tweaks are clear. Oregon drew much too difficult of a path for an undefeated No. 1 seed. Fan interest is great, no doubt about that. Having more teams involved longer is great. But the CCG has to go. Oregon was the undisputed B1G champ. A CCG goes along with CCG's in diminishing the regular season. It didn't matter that Osu2 lost to Oregon and Michigan. I'm glad to see that comment about the No.1 seed having too difficult a path. As it's not whimper from Oregon fans, it's an egregious error in the format, that profited regular season losers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cacker Guy No. 12 Share Posted January 22 Still tough for me to swallow that in a four team playoff this year we likely would be national champs. Sigh... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Fischer Administrator No. 13 Share Posted January 22 On 1/21/2025 at 7:05 PM, Cacker Guy said: Still tough for me to swallow that in a four team playoff this year we likely would be national champs. Sigh... And....if there had been a 12 team Playoff last year--we would have been in it. Who knows if we wouldn't have made some noise with Bo Nix? So, no matter which year... Mr. FishDuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Rocks No. 14 Share Posted January 22 Winners of each conference should get automatic bids but not automatic byes. One does not equal the other. Hopefully they will fix it and reduce the wail time before the games start so the bye doesn't have as much impact. The long wait made each bye team come out cold and by the time they could get going, it was too late especially for the ducks although there was more going on than that which I often don't understand since football is not my thing even though I enjoy it. I think placing Oregon third in the standings was appropriate since they only lost one game even though it was a stinker. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Moderator No. 15 Share Posted January 22 No Way I'm Trading OBD's Man Darren for this Guy. But I Mostly Agree with his PO Takes. 10 things I’m absolutely overreacting to after college football's first 12-team Playoff - Saturday Down South WWW.SATURDAYDOWNSOUTH.COM Ohio State's national championship victory provided a fitting ending to an inaugural 12-team Playoff that accomplished everything it was designed to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJacksPlaidPants Moderator No. 16 Share Posted January 22 When a 12-team playoff takes almost as long to get through as a NBA or NHL tournament then the timeline needs to be condensed. Those two leagues are designed to squeeze potentially 105 games into a two-month span. The CFP sqeezed 11 games into a 44-day period if you start counting days after the conference championship games end. It's 51 days if you start counting when the regular season ends. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Moderator No. 17 Share Posted January 22 CBS Sports All-Playoff Team - Lots of Buckeyes 2024-25 All-College Football Playoff Team: Ohio State beats out Penn State, Notre Dame for most selections - CBSSports.com WWW.CBSSPORTS.COM It should come as no surprise that the Buckeyes landed plenty of players on the CBS Sports' All-College Football Playoff Team Don't worry buddies, Skattebo made the list. How about all four D linemen from the B1G! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
30Duck Moderator No. 18 Share Posted January 22 On 1/22/2025 at 9:13 AM, Jon Joseph said: Don't worry buddies, Skattebo made the list. He'll be great on the Lions or the Chargers!!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Moderator No. 19 Share Posted January 22 On 1/22/2025 at 11:17 AM, DrJacksPlaidPants said: When a 12-team playoff takes almost as long to get through as a NBA or NHL tournament then the timeline needs to be condensed. Those two leagues are designed to squeeze potentially 105 games into a two-month span. The CFP sqeezed 11 games into a 44-day period if you start counting days after the conference championship games end. It's 51 days if you start counting when the regular season ends. SPOT ON! Everyone starts Week Zero. 12th game is Flex-Scheduled with the top two teams in every conference playing for a conference title; No. 2 at No. 1. The Army/Navy game also played the same weekend. If the G5 and Notre Dame don't like it, tough. Everything moves up two weeks. No 1st round byes. 16 teams seeded as ranked. Quarter-final games on campus. Semifinals on New Year's Eve. Maybe we'll see something like this in 2026? The media will have to buy into the 12th game on campus being the champ game. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Moderator No. 20 Share Posted January 22 I feel the need, to change the way CFB playoff seeds. First 12-team College Football Playoff delivered massive success, but flawed seeding model must be addressed - CBSSports.com WWW.CBSSPORTS.COM The expanded CFP brought the national spotlight to more programs, but glaring flaw remains Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Fischer Administrator No. 21 Share Posted January 22 1 1 Mr. FishDuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike West No. 22 Share Posted January 24 On 1/21/2025 at 3:04 PM, 30Duck said: Fan interest is great, no doubt about that. Having more teams involved longer is great. But the CCG has to go. Oregon was the undisputed B1G champ. A CCG goes along with CCG's in diminishing the regular season. It didn't matter that Osu2 lost to Oregon and Michigan. I'm glad to see that comment about the No.1 seed having too difficult a path. As it's not whimper from Oregon fans, it's an egregious error in the format, that profited regular season losers. Somebody in the B1G brass has suggested using CCG week as a seeding tool. Three games. Number one versus number two. Number 4 versus Number 5 and Number 3 versus Number 6. Winners get automatic bids. Number 2 goes to the playoffs as well. Would make sense if the playoffs expand to 14 or 16. I believe the ratings would be outstanding. Vegas and the Rose Bowl could be used as sites along with Indianapolis. Talk about huge interest! Better yet, if the Big 12 and the ACC took the top 4 and had a two-week tourney starting the week after the season ended (1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 then the Title game the next week), and the B1G and SEC used the above over two weeks after the season ended, the ratings would certainly spike. They would have to stagger the games -say on Thursday Friday and Saturday the first week. That would be similar to March Madness, but conference specific until the playoffs start. I believe that would etch College Football as a Brand to follow in November and December because the second tier of the P4 would have a new revenue source. and people will still believe in College Football (not being an NFL Esque money grabbing enterprise ironically). 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Moderator No. 23 Share Posted January 24 2027 - The PO Champ Game Escapes Dixie - Vegas Baby! College Football Playoff announces 2027 National Championship game will be at Las Vegas' Allegiant Stadium WWW.ON3.COM . This was expected. Good to see Vegas confirmed for 2026-27. But January the 25th? I'm glad it's Vegas but I don't like to see this late date locked in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Moderator No. 24 Share Posted January 24 Penn State and Indiana Out of the 2025-26 Playoff? In or out? Which of this year’s 12 Playoff teams are the best bets to make it back again next season? SATURDAYTRADITION.COM Newly crowned college football national champion Ohio State has already been set as the favorite to win the title again next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Moderator No. 25 Share Posted January 24 Michigan In the 2025-26 Playoff? Which non-Playoff teams have the best shot at getting into the 2025 field? SATURDAYTRADITION.COM Can 2023 national champ Michigan get back in the Playoff? Who else has a chance after missing the 2024 Playoff. We break it down by league. BTW, no one needs to tell Ducks fans that Mari-Oh-Ho-Ho is in the habit of 'coming up small.' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
30Duck Moderator No. 26 Share Posted January 24 On 1/24/2025 at 11:59 AM, Jon Joseph said: Penn State and Indiana Out of the 2025-26 Playoff? Surprising, since a lot of "Too early" polls have Penn State on top. Indiana? We'll see about the "emerging superpower", ASU without Skattebo? But Oregon? They'll just keep on keeping on. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
