Intravenus de Milo No. 1 Share Posted yesterday at 01:39 PM A quick glance of threads and I didn’t see anything on the UM investigation RD wrote up yesterday. My thoughts as a totally biased Buckeye fan: 1 It is absolutely an advantage to know what the other team is doing on a given plan. 2 Sign stealing in itself is not against NCAA rules. The issue the NCAA has with UM is HOW they stole signs. 3 All coaches, including Harbaugh, knew. Hell, every staff in the conference knew what UM was up to, and no one with any reasonable logic believes that JH was the only one that didn’t know. 4 The NCAA is out for blood and UM is hanging by a thread. The only question is what degree of punishment is levied. UM has been belligerent from day 1 and it is going to come back to bite them big time. 5 I believe (hope) that vacated wins from 2021-23 seasons are on the table. None of this will erase my memories of the last 4 games…..but it will enhance my enjoyment of the offseason! What are your thoughts? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
30Duck Moderator No. 2 Share Posted yesterday at 02:34 PM On 1/29/2025 at 5:39 AM, Intravenus de Milo said: I believe (hope) that vacated wins from 2021-23 seasons are on the table. I agree that UM has looked bad during this whole process. As far as vacating wins? Taking them out of the books is real, but Ohio State didn't win the games now. Reggie Bush did win the Heisman, that apparently has been resolved now. Will UM still be the winningest? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJacksPlaidPants Moderator No. 3 Share Posted yesterday at 03:13 PM They can vacate the wins, but the players have stood on the podiums, kissed the trophies and received the rings. The fans have celebrated as well. The decision won't change anything but the history books. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven A Moderator No. 4 Share Posted yesterday at 03:41 PM What is the punishment for stealing the Houston Astros playbook? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
30Duck Moderator No. 5 Share Posted yesterday at 04:54 PM On 1/29/2025 at 7:41 AM, Steven A said: What is the punishment for stealing the Houston Astros playbook? The Houston Astros stealing signs is by far the worst to me. The worst part is that the commissioner purposefully left the players out of the investigation, no punishment whatsoever, Altuve holding his jersey tight is an indelible stain on their "championships". 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Moderator No. 6 Share Posted yesterday at 05:10 PM On 1/29/2025 at 10:13 AM, DrJacksPlaidPants said: They can vacate the wins, but the players have stood on the podiums, kissed the trophies and received the rings. The fans have celebrated as well. The decision won't change anything but the history books. Can the NCAA vacate wins it had nothing to do with except for determining player eligibility? The College Football Playoff Committee puts on the FBS Playoff, not the NCAA. The coaches and players may have gained an advantage from the scouting but does this lead to vacated wins? The NCAA fined Tennessee $8M for its pay-for-play chicanery before NIL. Is a fine the most likely remedy here? I'm in the Prime Time camp here. As Deion said: 'I can get all of the knowledge I need from looking at film.' At the time the charge of scouting came down I was surprised to see that in-person scouting in DFB is prohibited. Then again, I'm a Patriots fan. Congrats on the GREAT PO run. 4 top 10 teams, only one game at home. WOW! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Fischer Administrator No. 7 Share Posted yesterday at 05:26 PM If nothing major occurs in penalties...the fallout from that with tons of other teams engaging in such conduct will be worse than Michigan being sidelined a few years, IMHO. This is pretty egregious. And it hurts our conference no matter what happens from here... Questions for Harbaugh... 1 Mr. FishDuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUCati855 Moderator No. 8 Share Posted yesterday at 05:29 PM On 1/29/2025 at 5:39 AM, Intravenus de Milo said: a totally biased Buckeye fan: As a Duck fan my distain for UM does not rival yours... But, that whole sign stealing mess was obvious and cowardly. I understand why a OSU fan would feel and care the way you do. As for 2024... Congrats on turning your season around. Your team earned the championship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Fischer Administrator No. 9 Share Posted yesterday at 05:31 PM Michigan has some dandy fans... 1 Mr. FishDuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Fischer Administrator No. 10 Share Posted yesterday at 05:32 PM So much fun to see the hate from fans elsewhere! 1 Mr. FishDuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Moderator No. 11 Share Posted yesterday at 05:45 PM This, from the 'Loyal Opposition.' Report: Michigan fires back at NCAA in 137-page response to Notice of Allegations WWW.MAIZENBREW.COM The University of Michigan appears ready to fight back against the NCAA, as detailed in its 137-page response, according to Yahoo Sports. Here is the latest chapter in the Connor Stalions saga: Are the Wolverine attorneys being paid by the pound? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Marsh No. 12 Share Posted yesterday at 07:38 PM On 1/29/2025 at 5:39 AM, Intravenus de Milo said: 5 I believe (hope) that vacated wins from 2021-23 seasons are on the table. But if those wins are vacated the biggest problem is that Washington WILL hang a National Champs banner for the 2023 season. We all know those Huskies would totally do that the minute those wins are vacated. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDuck No. 13 Share Posted yesterday at 08:46 PM The team being punished is officially stripped of its victory, but the opposing team retains its loss—thus, vacated victories are different from forfeits, in which the losing team is given the win. When the NCAA forced a team to vacate a game the result is moved from the win/loss record. If a team went 4-7 for a season and had to vacate the 4 wins, their record becomes 0-7 for that season. One of the confusing aspect of vacating games is that causes no adjustment to the opponent’s record. If that 4-7 team beat a 6-6 team, the 6-6 team does not “get a win” (for a 7-5 record), nor is the loss wiped out (for a 6-5 record). That team’s record stays the same at 6-6. In Washington's case, the 14-1 record would remain 14-1 and not be 14-0 or 15-0. When they had a 12-0 regular season record, they were ranked No. 3 behind Georgia and Texas. After the Pac12 championship, they were No. 2 at 13-0. If the pre-1968 AP Poll rules were still in effect...which was a final ranking before the bowls...then UW would have been No. 2 in 2023, and Oregon would have been No. 1 in 2024. But, the AP changed their process beginning the 1968 season to conduct a last ranking after the bowls. UW had a "magical" season in 2023. They won 7 of their 14 wins by a TD or less, including all of their last 5 wins. Just like Oregon, UW has had 3 No. 2 AP final rankings, but never an AP No. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cartm25 No. 14 Share Posted yesterday at 09:04 PM I've never been high on the "vacating wins" punishment; seems silly to me. Fine them and move on. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Fischer Administrator No. 15 Share Posted 22 hours ago Mr. FishDuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Fischer Administrator No. 16 Share Posted 22 hours ago Yikes. See Harbaugh's quote below... 1 Mr. FishDuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
30Duck Moderator No. 17 Share Posted 21 hours ago On 1/29/2025 at 4:50 PM, Charles Fischer said: Yikes. See Harbaugh's quote below... Ironic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intravenus de Milo Author No. 18 Share Posted 21 hours ago Now you guys get a sense of why we hate them so much. Yes, hate is metaphorical here, at least for me, but it is safe to say I have more dislike for this team and fanbase than all others combined. In general a smug fanbase, that until last year, had absolutely no reason to think so highly of themselves. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augduck No. 19 Share Posted 20 hours ago The NCAA will move at their usual glacial pace so this should be resolved by 2048. It took them 4 years to figure out the Willy Lyles thing and this is way more complicated so resolution in 23 years seems reasonable. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Ducky No. 20 Share Posted 19 hours ago Wonder how long lawyers will and have drug this out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Moderator No. 21 Share Posted 7 hours ago BUMMER! Michigan Misses Illinois in 2025. Bret Bielema’s comments about Jim Harbaugh and Michigan are absurd WWW.MAIZENBREW.COM Illinois head coach Bret Bielema attempted to troll Jim Harbaugh and Michigan on social media, saying Harbaugh ran to the NFL. @WoodsFootball breaks down why Bielema’s comments are... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
30Duck Moderator No. 22 Share Posted 6 hours ago On 1/29/2025 at 6:17 PM, Intravenus de Milo said: Now you guys get a sense of why we hate them so much. Yes, hate is metaphorical here, at least for me, but it is safe to say I have more dislike for this team and fanbase than all others combined. In general a smug fanbase, that until last year, had absolutely no reason to think so highly of themselves. Very similar to our enmity toward UW, the link between UM is tangible. Hard to believe that UM is smugger and more arrogant than UW, but it's possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solar No. 23 Share Posted 3 hours ago On 1/29/2025 at 12:46 PM, HDuck said: The team being punished is officially stripped of its victory, but the opposing team retains its loss—thus, vacated victories are different from forfeits, in which the losing team is given the win. When the NCAA forced a team to vacate a game the result is moved from the win/loss record. If a team went 4-7 for a season and had to vacate the 4 wins, their record becomes 0-7 for that season. One of the confusing aspect of vacating games is that causes no adjustment to the opponent’s record. If that 4-7 team beat a 6-6 team, the 6-6 team does not “get a win” (for a 7-5 record), nor is the loss wiped out (for a 6-5 record). That team’s record stays the same at 6-6. In Washington's case, the 14-1 record would remain 14-1 and not be 14-0 or 15-0. When they had a 12-0 regular season record, they were ranked No. 3 behind Georgia and Texas. After the Pac12 championship, they were No. 2 at 13-0. If the pre-1968 AP Poll rules were still in effect...which was a final ranking before the bowls...then UW would have been No. 2 in 2023, and Oregon would have been No. 1 in 2024. But, the AP changed their process beginning the 1968 season to conduct a last ranking after the bowls. UW had a "magical" season in 2023. They won 7 of their 14 wins by a TD or less, including all of their last 5 wins. Just like Oregon, UW has had 3 No. 2 AP final rankings, but never an AP No. 1 Do you really think that rules would stop Washington from claiming they were national champions? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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