I've watched the condensed Oregon State and Washington State season openers, and really was surprised just how far down they've gone in one season.

IDAHO looked bigger, stronger, faster and more skilled than WSU. The only reason Idaho lost was from shooting themselves in the foot over and over with stupid penalties and fumbles.

OSU just looked untalented and inept against Cal that looked same as they have for the last few years minus Jayden Ott.

OSU and WSU have gone from P5 competitors to mediocre G5 teams in a year and a half. The PAC whatever absolutely will be a G5 team across the board. The only resemblance it will have to the former PAC12 is it will be league of parity.

“It’s just the old Mountain West.”

Hard to believe these Rodents represent the same school that throttled Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl in the Dennis Erickson era. Their undoing was that stupid chain saw routine. Get rid of that and you've ungraded the program!

Oh yeah, every team not called BSU that’s joining the league in 2026 is at best a mediocre G6.

Edited Friday at 07:04 AM1 day by JabbaNoBargain

On 9/4/2025 at 7:48 PM, Chas Man said:

Hard to believe these Rodents represent the same school that throttled Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl in the Dennis Erickson era. Their undoing was that stupid chain saw routine. Get rid of that and you've ungraded the program!

That.... And... Not taking that huge win and leveraging it into a bigger brand and program.

They took the win and were happy with it. Never thought of the next step.

Oregon in 1994 reached the Rose Bowl and continued to work on building their brand into something bigger and better.

1994 was the beginning.

And the difference between those two... Oregon lost that Rose Bowl but made something of it..just think of what the Ducks would have done with a win?

Take the lowest tier of the old PAC 12, add a bunch of mid level Mountain West teams and expect them to be P5 competitors? C’mon man, not ever gonna happen.

Do we call them the PASC 8 now? Pacific Association of State Colleges…

They like to say that, "we're the fifth best football conference."

6 hours ago, Charles Fischer said:

They like to say that, "we're the fifth best football conference."

That would be the Sun Belt Conference. Beavis is going to find that out the hard way in week 6.

You were saying? Oh Beavis.

Things going from bad to worse.... Oregon State falls to Fresno and WSU is struggling against San Diego!

They are bottom feeders in their new conference! A conference they opted to build while destroying another.

Maybe they can invite Oklahoma State to join the Pathetic Association of State colleges?

Seriously, there’s nothing to suggest they won’t be middle of the PAC if that conference sticks around. The one advantage they used to have over their new conference teams was their association with the real PAC. In the new PAC they’re just some wannabe trying to recruit against teams located in better recruiting markets.

Edited 2 hours ago2 hr by JabbaNoBargain

Yikes. WAZZU stadium looks 1/2 full for a conference game.

Yep, everybody can't wait to watch the games of the "New-World" Pac-12....