I've watched the condensed Oregon State and Washington State season openers, and really was surprised just how far down they've gone in one season.

IDAHO looked bigger, stronger, faster and more skilled than WSU. The only reason Idaho lost was from shooting themselves in the foot over and over with stupid penalties and fumbles.

OSU just looked untalented and inept against Cal that looked same as they have for the last few years minus Jayden Ott.

OSU and WSU have gone from P5 competitors to mediocre G5 teams in a year and a half. The PAC whatever absolutely will be a G5 team across the board. The only resemblance it will have to the former PAC12 is it will be league of parity.

“It’s just the old Mountain West.”

Hard to believe these Rodents represent the same school that throttled Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl in the Dennis Erickson era. Their undoing was that stupid chain saw routine. Get rid of that and you've ungraded the program!

Oh yeah, every team not called BSU that’s joining the league in 2026 is at best a mediocre G6.

Edited Friday at 07:04 AM3 days by JabbaNoBargain

On 9/4/2025 at 7:48 PM, Chas Man said:

Hard to believe these Rodents represent the same school that throttled Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl in the Dennis Erickson era. Their undoing was that stupid chain saw routine. Get rid of that and you've ungraded the program!

That.... And... Not taking that huge win and leveraging it into a bigger brand and program.

They took the win and were happy with it. Never thought of the next step.

Oregon in 1994 reached the Rose Bowl and continued to work on building their brand into something bigger and better.

1994 was the beginning.

And the difference between those two... Oregon lost that Rose Bowl but made something of it..just think of what the Ducks would have done with a win?

Take the lowest tier of the old PAC 12, add a bunch of mid level Mountain West teams and expect them to be P5 competitors? C’mon man, not ever gonna happen.

Do we call them the PASC 8 now? Pacific Association of State Colleges…

They like to say that, "we're the fifth best football conference."

6 hours ago, Charles Fischer said:

They like to say that, "we're the fifth best football conference."

That would be the Sun Belt Conference. Beavis is going to find that out the hard way in week 6.

You were saying? Oh Beavis.

Things going from bad to worse.... Oregon State falls to Fresno and WSU is struggling against San Diego!

They are bottom feeders in their new conference! A conference they opted to build while destroying another.

Maybe they can invite Oklahoma State to join the Pathetic Association of State colleges?

Seriously, there’s nothing to suggest they won’t be middle of the PAC if that conference sticks around. The one advantage they used to have over their new conference teams was their association with the real PAC. In the new PAC they’re just some wannabe trying to recruit against teams located in better recruiting markets.

Edited yesterday at 03:06 AM1 day by JabbaNoBargain

Yikes. WAZZU stadium looks 1/2 full for a conference game.

Yep, everybody can't wait to watch the games of the "New-World" Pac-12....

It's like a very poor Elvis or Michael Jackson impersonater. Just let the PAC name go off into the sunset. It's just dragging the once "Conference of champions" through the mud. It's like they think keeping the name will elevate programs, but it's the programs that elevate the conference. It would be like if the ACC loses Clemson, North Carolina, FSU, Virginia and Miami and replace them with Memphis, Coastal Carolina, USF, Tulane and UCONN but keeps the name ACC. Even that would be better because they would at least keep some recognizable names like Duke, Virginia Tech, and Georgia Tech, Louisville, Syracuse, Pittsburgh and Boston College.

Who thought of Washington State and Oregon State when you spoke of the PAC Twelve? Who thinks anybody in that new iteration of the PAC outside of Boise State would be coveted by the P4?

1 minute ago, GatOrlando said:

Who thinks anybody in that new iteration of the PAC outside of Boise State would be coveted by the P4?

For football Boise State is intriguing but there are two problems that has kept them out of a power conference all these years.

1. Market share - we have all learned too much about media markets with realignment that's for sure. And Boise State is just a really small market. Probably OSU and WSU have better market shares than BSU but BSU is a much better football school.

2. Academics - this one seems silly but some of the Power conferences do still care about the academic side of things. The academics are BSU is what really kept them out of the Pac-12.

Boise State will be putting a whole lot of these new pac-12 trophies in their cabinet which will probably anger the only two real pac-12 members..

Oregon State has some serious issues. Bray is making the Helfrich era look Sabanesque! 👀

13 hours ago, PittDuck said:

Maybe they can invite Oklahoma State to join the Pathetic Association of State colleges?

Nah, OK State doesn't have the money to change the conference logo on the unis. 🙃

I think Beavis has an outside shot at 0-12 now.

They’re almost certainly starting 0-6 imo, 1-5 at best. The last 6 games on their schedule are pathetic, but so are they. WSU looks like the better team, and they play twice. Some of those random teams are going to have better athletes than they think.

I’d put their ceiling at 4-8 at this point.

Edited yesterday at 05:42 PM1 day by JabbaNoBargain

On 9/5/2025 at 9:02 PM, David Marsh said:

Oregon in 1994 reached the Rose Bowl

That team with no resources opened Uncle Phil's eyes and pocketbook based upon what could be. Thank you, Rick Brooks and all the little and no stars that made it happen!!

22 hours ago, David Marsh said:

For football Boise State is intriguing but there are two problems that has kept them out of a power conference all these years.

1. Market share - we have all learned too much about media markets with realignment that's for sure. And Boise State is just a really small market. Probably OSU and WSU have better market shares than BSU but BSU is a much better football school.

2. Academics - this one seems silly but some of the Power conferences do still care about the academic side of things. The academics are BSU is what really kept them out of the Pac-12.

Boise State will be putting a whole lot of these new pac-12 trophies in their cabinet which will probably anger the only two real pac-12 members..

Academics is also what nixed the Oklahoma entry in 2012 to the PAC as well. Imagine a world where Texas and Oklahoma join the league. My only question is if Texas would try their power move with that terrible Longhorn network on the Pacific Coast with the likes of USC. We know that nobody in the Big 12 was going to stand up to them, not even Oklahoma. Which to me makes Oklahoma look weak.

Imagine Michigan or Ohio State letting the other have their own network and forcing it on the entire B1G.

I don't like seeing the demise of the Beavers and WSU.

One of my favorite things about rooting for the P12 in the past was seeing schools with less resources and brand reputations find enough diamond-in-the-rough players and coaches to be competitive and beat bigger/better programs.

It was often the Beavers/WSU's of the world that would tenderize the Duck's main competition over the years (USC and Stanford); I thoroughly enjoyed that.

The 1994 Oregon/Nike/PK collaboration was referenced. I can't help but think there was an enormous amount of luck in all that. Hard to think of a more synergistic relationship than that of a University's athletic program and a billionaire alumni that also owns the largest and most successful athletic apparel company. Talk about the planets aligning!!

In other words, I'm not sure the P2 could have replicated what Oregon did in a million years. You can only leverage what is available to leverage.

I do believe the P2 made a mistake in not simply joining the MWC; there can be strength in numbers there.

4 minutes ago, WTD25 said:

I don't like seeing the demise of the Beavers and WSU.

One of my favorite things about rooting for the P12 in the past was seeing schools with less resources and brand reputations find enough diamond-in-the-rough players and coaches to be competitive and beat bigger/better programs.

I do believe the P2 made a mistake in not simply joining the MWC; there can be strength in numbers there.

I mostly agree, but your last line is key for me.

I might be starting to feel empathy towards them if they had joined with their partners in the MWC instead of trying to destroy and now sue them. They put their faith in a lesser version (TG) of the previous conference administration which had the track record of destroying the best conference in the history of college conferences. TG was more interested in keeping her job than doing what was best for the conference IMO. They kept basking in the glory of temporary “bean-counting” victories instead doing what was right in front of them and creating a really good conference that could have started this year.

They needed to strike while the iron was hot, instead they dragged things out while their rosters became a joke. The new bottom feeders they added to the new PAC are absolutely no better than the bottom feeders of the MWC. There really is no reasonable explanation for why they didn’t merge, it was the longterm solution right in front of of their face, but they didn’t want to risk sharing their short-term windfall, imo.

Edited 5 hours ago5 hr by JabbaNoBargain

I lost all sympathy for them once they decided to steal 300 million from the departing 10 members...

Phil did not join us until we went to the Rose Bowl and then the Cotton Bowl. We had to EARN his trust, as winners want to work with winners. Beavis has not earned it, has declined, and is worth much less now.

55 minutes ago, Charles Fischer said:

Phil did not join us until we went to the Rose Bowl and then the Cotton Bowl.

Thank you for clarifying that fact in writing for all to see. The Cotton Bowl season was sooooo good. The catch in Seattle? Now THAT was a play.