JabbaNoBargain

Nope, them wining a title doesn’t help us at all, beyond lifting us a bit for this year. Long term it’s a huge negative on every front. I could almost accept the argument of it helping the PAC, but that’s moot and in fact a negative moving forward. The Beavers/PAC2 would claim some kind of ownership of a title, don’t want that.

I agree that would have been awesome to add Texas and OU in hindsight. But the real blame falls squarely on 3 California schools not called Stanford. They all relatively sucked the last 10 years with zero playoff appearances, especially the LA schools, but I don’t let Cal off the hook…that’s a program with history and they were terrible. The two LA schools being non-factors in any significant way neutered the conference. Imagine if Michigan and tOSU had performed similarly, or Georgia and Alabama. USC specifically floundered and blamed the conference. Talk about pointing fingers, if they had acted like a true blue-blood the conference reputation would have been just fine, but nope, they sucked and failed up.

Solution? Expand to 16 and ditch bowls. If for some reason we’re clinging to keeping the “LA Bowl Hosted By Gronk” alive, then just accept them for what they are, winter friendlies with unique rosters.

AKA the original WAC with OSU/WSU instead of BYU/Air Force,…prefer the original WAC

I initially felt this way until their fan base started vacillating between being a victim and being arrogant on an hourly basis. They’re complete hypocrites that try to operate exactly the same way we do, but fail at it over and over and refer to us as “Whore-gon”. Nope, no empathy.

Exactly, and I’d add to look at it this way…11 of the final top 12 this year will be in the SEC and B1G next year, and 5 of those teams had 2 losses this year. With them all playing each other more, probably 8 of the top 12 will have an additional loss. I don’t see anyway there are not multiple teams with 3 losses making the field

Cracks me up that not increasing the price for an inferior package is a positive. They should be knocking 25% off…not sure how well San Jose State would draw if they’re 2-2 with home losses to Oregon and Purdue.

Right on, good stuff. I think the number of losses that constitute a playoff worthy year with a 12 team playoff, and 2 super conferences is going to take a recalibration of everyone’s brain. What happens if the top 3-4 teams in the SEC and B1G all have 2-3 losses? Does a 2 loss runner up in the Big12 make it over a 3 loss third place team from the SEC? Will be fun to watch it unfold, but I think there’s a decent chance the winners of the new super conferences have 2 losses, those schedules are seriously upgrading.

Those future Pac2 shares for hoops not looking too good

Of course, if the top 3 in the new conference all get decapitated by the SEC, it’s moot. No one is hanging their hat on Rutgers.

Good points, bowl records will be marketed.

Turnovers. Liberty can only win if they’re +3 or more. I think Oregon wins by at least 30 if they don’t turn it over.

I think Alabama is gong to crush all it pains me to say. One inconsistency I’m seeing in here and everywhere else is to selectively use bowl results to draw sweeping conclusions. I tend to be leaning towards you can have takeaways at the micro level (OSU depth isn’t up to snuff with the big boys for instance), but you can’t draw conclusions that one conference is better than another because of overall bowl records at the macro. Bowl season has become an individual game depth measurement.

Lot of political pressures to play this game and we should hand them their butt when we’re at full strength in good weather…no matter how much they posture they’re a team with MWC level depth that just had their starters gutted. They’ll be lucky to win 8 games next year, I’d predict 7-5. Them getting more money is annoying but doesn’t really impact us at all. Bottom line, are the top 5 donors happy with the leadership or not?

Vintage clock management, ends 7 point loss with 2 unused timeouts

Not possible, has to be in Hawaii to have a 13th game exemption

Will definitely preserve rosters for 12 teams as opposed to 4, which is an improvement. Flip side is it will probably make the remaining bowls even worse

All with a grain of salt since bowl games really are pretty meaningless as overall indicators, these are not the teams they were in November for either side. That being said, I think Louisville was feeling pretty good about being set up for next year and that was a decent representation of their D that played FSU a few weeks ago.

And that’s the team FSU couldn’t move the ball on

Welcome Atticus! Lololololol they're losing their 💩 over this one.

Texas squeaks by UW, Alabama dominates twice, unfortunately.

Nope, that’d be a glass-half full scenario if it happened. I want them to lose a heartbreaker to Texas on a controversial replay call.

One thing that seems to be a narrative is the OSU fanbase believing they’re calling all the shots once their new conference is formed. They become a singular voting member once it happens, and if they’re complete pricks about how things are initially set up, they may find expansion from 2 more difficult than they think. They really seem to believe that the PAC12 brand will deliver a grant of rights similar to the last offer before things fell apart, delusional. Not sure what a new name and adding these two clown shows to the MWC brings to the table, they’ll be lucky to get $10m per team and will not be considered P4/P5.

Bowl games mean almost nothing anymore. The bowl standings thing is hilarious now. Look at our idiot bucktoothed cousins matchup. They’ll be trotting out a third string QB, backup HB, almost entirely new o-line, etc. ND has had at least a dozen transfers or declares…yet chalk it up in the conference bowl standings. As to us, it would be a monumental egg in face if we lost, but honestly, I forgot about USC losing to Tulane until this thread. I probably remembered it for a hot minute at the beginning of the season, but embarrassment aside, it had zero impact on anything. Bowl games no longer have any correlation to what your regular season team was, it’s merely an exhibition between two organizations fielding unique bowl teams.

I mean, rivalries have to be a two way thing, right? CU who? As relevant as San Jose State at this point.