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I feel confident this will be a good deal for the PAC HK wouldnt have been able to hold the 10 together without to wait this long patiently. Positive thoughts OBDF members. Go PAC.... Go Ducks.......

Those are great questions cartm25. Not sure any of my answers have value but here goes. About Amazon/NFL viewership dropping....... The NFL took alot of money and gave Amazon multiple crappy matchups. The fans voted with their dollars and said to the NFL that not all your games are worth watching or spending my hard earned money on. Amazon got 1 crappy matchup a week. They did not get the league. About puoneering Streaming As i have mentioned on other threads the Streamer who bids and gets the PAC's tier 1 rights gets 30 OOC games to broadcast or sell some Tier 2 rights to. 6 more OOC games if we add SDSU and SMU. And 5 or 6 Conference games a week (depending on expansion) for 9 weeks. Plus the PAC 12 Title game. Broadcasting 2 or potentially 3 time zones worth of games. Each school will bring their fans, who will subscribe monthly to see their teams play football and hopefully all sports. This is not anything like the NFL deal or a few CF games being streamed up to this poiint.. I dont care about Arizona Cardinals vs Jacksonville on Thursday night. But i will watch UA against OSU if its part of my subscription. Or Stanford vs Utah. These games have "Interest Value" to millions of fans Also, this is an entire conferemce pioneering streaming with a streaming company in control. Not an isolated game or 2 on Peacock. This should be bigger and bolder. Also, linear ESPN will be gone in just a few years. You will have your cable bill and your ESPN+ Subscription monthly fee to. Increasing viewership via a streamer? Personally ESPN will lose me if they dont carry the PAC. Why would I give my money to watch the ACC or ESPN streaming? Especially when the best games of interest will be on ABC or CBS. Why would i subscribe to watch uw vs michigan state or usc against anyone. Those are just test market games, nothing more. Apple has like 20 million plus subscribers now. They know that they can add a few million subscribers with an entire conference like the PAC. Again i will drop my ESPN package and add an Apple subscription. Dont you think that a few million of the PAC 12 Network's 14 million will take on a subscription with a streamer for the PAC Package? Also we dont know that PAC Tier 2 rights wont be on ABC, CBS or the CW.... The Streamers know that if this opportunity is profitable for them and reaps substantial annual revenue for the PAC then the others conferences may come running for their share. Hope this perspective helps and i sure enjoy your perspective. GO Ducks........

The Ducks and top PAC schools will be on TV. Some streaming and some linear. If you take it on face value, does anyone on this Forum think that the PAC has not stressed, in negotiations, that they need more exposure for their teams????? Does anyone on this Forum think that the media entities bidding and the PAC are working to make it worse? GEEZ....... Do you think that the media negotiators go back to their bosses and say lets do this so we can screw our new partners in the PAC? They all are working together to make this the best business transaction for all involved. Does anyone think our exposure will go fown because of streaming? It will increase substantially if the package is right..... The streamers/linear media want you to subscribe and watch. Why so much angst? Yes in the beginning we all will need to still pay to get ESPN and add the Tier 1 rights streamer subscription. Thats how they make money abd can broadcast the games. I, as many on this Forum wish this would come to an end. And it will. There is no rush at this point because its better for the final deal be right. No suprises like the BIG is getting or settling like the glorified G5 Big 12 did. They added 3 more years for no more money or even less as Jon Joseph pointed out. Yesterday i was meeting with a longtime business friend and customer. His business does $40 million plus annually. He is a crazy Duck everything like Charles. He lives remote and deep in the Southetn Oregon Cadcades. He drives 30 miles to the nearest restaurant/bar to get his Duck games. It took us 5 minutes to handle business and then 2 hours of Duck talk. He said that the PAC has more value than the average fan understands. Besides the After Dark Game value cannot be replaced by anyone. Not even the MWC. The real value is that Fox alienated the 50 to 60 million fans west of the Rockies that dont give a squat about usc and ucla. Not to mention that Fox didnt care if they ripped the PAC apart. Those fans in that number want to see their teams play, not the traitors or support Fox. The real value is meeting the needs of those fans. Something good could be coming soon.

SMU and Houston playing at G5 level is not the big leagues. That perception will change as they move to P5 and are more visible on a national level. When they become competitive at the P5 level, Texans will watch.... Texans will watch SMU/Utah, SMU/uw or SMU/Oregon. Or Houston/Baylor, Houston/TCU etc. Especially if they become competitive. You just cant compare G5 interest to P5 viewing numbers. When the streamer/linear advertises SMU/Oregon it will be on a national level. Todays picture or our view today of a G5 School wont be relevant tomorrow when they are P5. For any G5 - Big 12, Texas and Texas cash machine fans, consider as P5 members SMU, Houston etc, will be competing for 4☆ and 5☆ Texas talent that wouldnt even give them a look see as a G5 member. But will be giving them a look as a P5 member. The Longhorns and Aggies dont get them all now, they will get less going forward. TCU, Baylor, TT, and OSU will lose some too as SMU and Houston recruit at a P5 level. Also, having $30 million plus, per year to invest will make a difference in coaches salaries and recruiting. Change is coming....... One last thought about Brands. Texas has been irrelevant since 2004. They cant even win the BIG 12, good luck moving past The Dawgs, Bama, Georgia, Florida and Tennessee. Only 3 of those schools will be off to the CFP. A&M? Have they won an SEC title and made it to the CFP since joining the SEC? Brands need to win in this day and age to matter. Oregon was not a brand in 1994-95. With PK and others investing in facilities, coaches salaries and exposure the Ducks moved on the National scene with Joey Harrington and others. It was a slow build. Then the Ducks struck lightning in a bottle with Chip and by 2010 the Ducks were must watch TV and they became a BRAND...... Utah, was not a brand 11 years ago but had a couple of undeafeated seasons and a victory over Bama at the G5 level. But with P5 money and exposure they are building a national Brand. Why cant this happen to SMU, Houston or SDSU? More money to invest, market and brand with P5 money.......SMU playing in NY6 or Rose Bowls, down the road, will lift their Brand. Texans will watch..... Of course the PAC may not expand, so Houston may really have this amazing opportunity at the P5 level. Fun stuff. It will be fun watching Texas and or A&M playing in the Outback bowl with 9-3 or 8-4 records against a 9-3 or 8-4 Trojan squad carrying the second level of the BIG. Wait A&M didnt even make a bowl with the #1 recruiting class. This is going to be fun to watch. Especially when Houston and SMU take their share of 4☆ recruits from the SEC and Big 12. And SDSU gives SoCal high level recruits the opportunity to not travel 60k to 80k miles in their total college careers. GO DUCKS.....

Well it just depends on whether you view things with your cup half full or your cup half empty. Rushing a complex agreement usually leads to someone being disappointed. The more parties entering the mix, the more complex. Being patient as this unfolds seems prudent. The longer this takes may mean the better the deal. This is very complex and uncharted territory. Consider that the NFL told Amazon, you pay this much money and you get 1 game a week on Thursday nights. Amazon did not get the entire NFL to cover. The Tier 1 rights holder has the entire conference to cover. Arizona subscribers will want to see their schools covered. Ducks fans want to see every Oregon game as a subscriber. Just an example of items that need to be worked out. You know, the G5 Big 12 panicked and for no increase in money. Just 3 more years under contract. Hats off to GK and the schools for not panicking. Sticking together and being patient. The pay day may not be SEC/BIG money. As long as it beats the G5 Big 12 then that works......

At least 5 teams can and should put up 38 plus points per game in the PAC this season. Maybe more. The team with the most disruptive D unit will leave Vegas with the PAC Title. I am betting on DL, his schemes and the freaks he brought on. GO DUCKS.........

My expectation for OBD's in 2023 is 11-1 in the regular season. 10-2 would show improvement but it doesn't feel satisfying for this fan. Joshua, i agree with you on the 8 teams the Ducks should win convincingly. On the national landscape a lopsided score, on the road at Texas Tech will set well with the ranking voters...... No stumbles against teams you should thrash. The Ducks should defend the home turf and give the traitors of Troy and little brother the beatings they deserve. On the road, Utah amd uw will be hard fought games. I expect the Ducks to split those 2 games. This expectation is based on the following: The O Line jells early and gives Bo the protection he received last year. Clear blocking lanes and time for routes to come open are a must. The D unit must improve and get off the field on 3rd down. Limit the amount of plays our opponents have on offense. Generate sacks and cause turnovers. Bo stays healthy. This may be the first time in CF that the QB is a 5th year starter. Not a 4th year starter in his 5th season. Their is no way to replace the in game experience that Bo brings to the field. When Bo gets his invite to New York our OBD's should be headed to the CFP........

JJ thanks for all that information. It's alot to take in and digest. Some good stuff to ponder. Some of my thoughts i have mentioned before, so i apologize for the repetition. But with ESPN on the chopping block, with a potential change of management the landscape has changed. On the business side, i agree with you that the PAC missed out on an unusual business opportunity to eliminate a competitor. And then be able to assimilate that competitors best remaining properties. Once in a lifetime for sure. Originally, the slimeball USC President actively worked the room to stop expansion. However, the PAC 10 had the opportunity after the traitors made the announcement. They missed an opportunity to control the landscape. Had the PAC brought in at a minimum of 6 Big 12 teams then Fox and the failing ESPN networks would have had no choice to offer the PAC 16 a linear deal. Water under the bridge. Two thoughts at this point: First, Wazzu and Beavus carry numbers far above their weight because they play Utah, uw and Oregon, as well as the traitors. Those games are must watch TV because Wazzu and Beavus can, will and have won some of those games. SDSU and SMU numbers will rise significantly as a P5 member and playing against 3 or 4 Top 25 teams every year. Big difference in viewing numbers, playing Utah, as opposed to Fresno State or whoever SMU plays, for either school. Oregon at SMU at 7 pm CST/ 5 pm PST would draw a few million eyes on linear TV. Texas fans will watch that game. Second, market share and eyeballs dont matter as much for streaming companies. Amazon wants millions of new Prime Subscriptions, the monthly fees and opportunity to promote the products they offer. Amazon is in the business of moving and selling products. If covering a conference's sports brings millions of new MONTHLY subscribers then it is a success. SMU, SDSU, BSU and UNLV could bring in many new suscribers. Now, I am confident that many PAC 10 fans already have Amazon or Apple subscriptions. But those streaming giants want more. Once, whichever Streamer secures the TIER 1 Media rights, they can sell the TIER 2 rights to linear providers. They can recoup millions and minimize their investment. All in the name of new subscriptions. Consider that the brain trust at Disney/ESPN/ABC made the decision to move ESPN to streaming subscriptions. A decision to eliminate the middleman and be a part of the sports media broadcast future. IMHO, with no facts or sources, once ESPN went up for sale or for a new managing partnership, the PAC media deal went on hold. Its not dead, just on hold. WHY? Because whatever streamer controls ESPN has media contracts with the SEC, ACC and splits Big 12 with Fox. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity for a streamer that wants sports content. This will take awhile to unfold, especially if Amazon, Apple and Google start a bidding war. ESPN will eventually bring millions of monthly subscribers ro the winner. Not ro mention that cable will take a huge hit. This is business, big business. The PAC whatever may very well be in the right place at the right time. Buckle up because we may have to wait until early 2024 for this all to unfold. We all have been talking about the future and the changes coming. ESPN just opened the door for the Streaming Giants to jump into the deep end of the pool on those changes.

That was fun to watch and very exciting. The entire defense will benefit from his presence on the field. All last season the Ducks front 7 was so close to getting a sack or a TFL. They seemed to lack the closing speed. This young man can close. Thanks Charles for the video clips and a glance at what may be the best defensive player in the PAC in 2023. I cannot contain my excitement!

Thanks for posting this article P Duck. Always refreshing to read an article with a positive outlook about DL and the Ducks. Two comments caught my attention and got me to pondering. First, the comment about if Mario had not left for Miami most would expect Oregon to still be on a upward trajectory and potentially competing on the national stage. Perhaps but I am not so sure. MC would still be recruiting at a very high level. But MC's in game coaching skills were lacking. The offense was throttled down. Thats not a recipe for competing on a national stage. To me, the Ducks would not reach the pinnacle under MC. Second, DL worked under Sabin and Smart and wants to compete with the big boys. Once DL walked off the field with a Natty as a DC, I feel confident that he wants one or more as a HC. It will take a few back to back to back top 5 or 6 recruiting classes and continued portal moves for the Ducks to reach the pinnacle. The future is strong with DL in charge. This young man has the coaching recipe and recruiting chops to reach the pinnacle.

Notice their was NO MENTION of the financial or media rights dollars involved. Is the CW paying for media rights or just providing a platform? Remember CW did not spend a dime to broadcast LIV Golf, it just provides a platform. Let that sink in for a few minutes...... LIV provides all the production equipment, staffing, and on air talent on their dime. They get the advertisers lined up. Then LIV and CW split the profts. CW is not providing the production or incurring these costs to broadcast the ACC games. Most likely no money was mentioned or announced because no media rights fees are involved. The only conference more desperate than the PAC for money is the ACC. When the BIG and SEC are banking over $100 million per by 2030, the ACC will be making 1/5th that money until 2036. Kudos for the ACC doing something

Well its easy to be upset and frustrated by the changes that are taking place in the linear 5 market.... Consider these thoughts...... Because millions and i mean millions of viewers have cut the linear cord that means that networks on cable (espn, fs1, etc) have less viewers. Less viewers means less dollars in advertising fees... That means less dollars to operate your network. Thus the layoffs at ESPN. ESPN is in financial trouble and is up for sale. That linear option is fading fast. Its a fact that we begrudgingly may have to accept. The top Disney/ESPN are moving to all streaming because they are gambling that we will pay a monthly subscription fee to get our sports fix. That cuts out a middle man. It is clear that they dont have or dont want to spend the money to move into streaming. ESPN needs a bailout........ For those of us fans that want a linear option for the PAC and our Ducks, let me pose this question... What linear network(s) are knocking down the PAC's door with money and a linear media rights contract? The PAC does not offer alot of must see games. The value is not there. After Dark has value and that is probably the linear option for the PAC. But that will come at TIER 2 pricing........ Bad timing and poor decision making have placed the PAC in a weakened position. The market and culture is shifting to streaming. Streaming may be the only lifeboat the PAC has. And thats okay..... I agree with Charles that we should wait for all the final details to come out before passing judgement. And streaming will easily double the PAC's viewing numbers. It is clear that no linear network views the PAC for primetime dollars, at this point. Streaming at least offers oppoetunuty and dollars.

Just more icing on the cake for DL and his staff. These young men can really recruit. As mentioned above the competition for playing time and starting positions will be fierce going foward. A few more key recruits and this will be a solid top 10 class. GO DUCKS........

Thanks P Duck for posting this article featuring Bo Nix. It was worth the read and very positive. Excited for Bo and his family that this young man has grown thru the challenges before him. Bo will be a leader and excel in all his future endeavors. Love that he wants to win a championship and that leads to other championships. With this quality young man at the helm, 2023 will be a great year for the Duck family. Wishing nothing but the best for Bo, his wife and family. Go Bo.....Go Ducks ....

For me it boils down to Penix, Williams, Rising and Bo. And in no particular order because they are all so close. Chances are good that one of these 4 could win the Heisman. These 4 will be lighting up scoreboards week in and week out. My favorite is Bo because I am a Duck homer. The team with the best performimg defense will put their team in the CFP. And maybe even decide the eventual Heisman winner. My money is on DL's defense causing chaos and having some epic performances. And even with a vastly improved D the Ducks will need to average 45 points plus per game to make the CFP. Beating one of the following teams, Utah, uw, usc and even OSU twice to win the PAC Title will be a big task. Having a 5th year starting QB is a big plus for OBD's. Yhe article is right on... Bo Nix will be the top dog. Just no running between the tackles, please.....

Well...... The huskies ranked ahead of OBD's doesn't feel right. Like JJ, I am a homer. I wish usuck would be ranked #2, behind the real Dawgs. That way their fall would be more epic. Having to play both uw and the Ducks this season will be more challenging for the traitors. Unless the usuck defense steps up a few teams will put 50 plus on the board. OBD's schedule sets up nice for a run to the CFP. They should face at least 5 ranked teams (including PAC Title Game). With the improved talent on the D coming together the Ducks should be 11-1 heading into the title game. Yes the PAC has proven, exceptional QB's at most schools. The D must get after them, causing chaos and turnovers. If they do? Then... This is the year for our Ducks. We have a proven 5th year starting QB with exceptional talent all around him....Bo is a leader and now is the time. GO DUCKS......

Finally got a chance to view these great Duck highlights. Thanks cartm25 for posting. It was worth the look....... DAT and LJ were electric game changers. Held my breath in anticipation when they touched the ball. The 99 yard fumble recovery TD by Walker at Utah was one of those once in a lifetime plays. The silence after the completion of the play/ruling was deafening..... But the best highlights were the 5 TD destruction of the trojans by Kenyon. What a performance...... It is exciting to know the 2023 Ducks will be adding to these highlights. GO DUCKS..........

Its just my opinion, for what its worth, that certain portions of the potential PAC10 media rights deal will be ground breaking for CF and the conference. What kind of money that generates is unknown to us, at this point. Strapped for cash, Disney/ESPN/ABC could find the Tier 2 rights much more affordable and profitable. I cannot fathom ESPN vacating after dark games on Friday/Saturday nights. They should not expect to have Oregon, Washington or Utah on their linear feeds unless they pay more and they start those games no later than 7:00 pm est/4:00 pm pst Those 3 schools are the prime time schools for the PAC and ESPN should pay more to broadcast. Afterall ESPN is a sports progamming network, they should start acting like it..... Will be interesting to see how this all plays out....... GO DUCKS....... You know they say the PAC12 Network reaches about 15 million people. With millions more finding it difficult to find PAC games. Just consider this thought and for goodness sake this is not fact or sourced. What if the PAC12 Network became a subscription based streamer. If 15 million people paid $6 per month for all PAC sports that would be $90 million a month or $1.08 billion annually. Annually. .... Of course their are expenses to operate and the need for a platform carrier. However, if expenses, fees, taxes, etc. were $50 million a month that leaves $480 million a year to divide. Now remember this is just a thought not a rumor or fact. But the PAC should be thinking about whats best for the future, control its own destiny........ be bold and lead the way. I would pay a monthly fee.... Because, on a personal level, i could care less about the other 4-P5 conferences. Why? Because they could care less about us..... GO DUCKS AND GO PAC......

Thru all the confusion of the PAC, including media rights, expansion et al....... One thing has been constant since day one. There would be no expansion invites until the media rights contracts are signed and completed. Even on the OBDF, we have gone from SDSU/SMU have been invited to somehow the PAC has withdrawn their invites..... . Maybe I missed a article or a PAC 10 statement that announced this but i fear we are getting off course here. Neither school has received an invite. The PAC Presidents gave GK permission to explore expansion possibilities with 4 schools. Explore but no invites.......... If i missed the official invites can someone please direct me to the srticle or statement. I refuse to worry about something that doesnt exist, at this point. Too much doom and gloom going around when in fact we should be dancing in the streets over DL and staff's monster 2024 class. GO DUCKS........

I am not sure that I agree that SDSU botched this big time......theres nothing wrong with exploring your options or seeing if a 30 day extension on exit fees could be arranged. Asking questions to get the answers you need is a wise course of action to take. Thats smart and prudent. Its also okay for the MWC to play hardball with SDSU. Though i feel that the MWC may suffer in the court of public opinion for being petty. No one in the minor leagues should be petty or bitter when soneone gets called up to the major league. SDSU is simply a victim of timing. They were up against a hard deadline. Also they have not received a formal invite but obviously were hanging on what info GK was giving them. In business things dont always work out as planned. You shift gears, adjust and move forward. Nothing changes for SDSU or SMU if they dont get an invite to the PAC for the 2024 season. Nothing changes for the PAC10. Fox, Big, usuck and uclasuck dealt the cards and the PAC has to play the hand that was dealt. Remember the PAC10 has nothing to offer prospective new members until they have a media rights or streaming rights package. You cant give or offer what you dont have. Good things usually happen to those who wait patiently for events to unfold. Patience OBDF members and maybe just a little less doom and gloom. The PAC is entering into the unknown for CF if in fact streaming the games is a reality. Give it time to develope and unfold. Let the facts come out and then we can discuss and share our opinions. Its a great time to be a Duck and its time to bring home a Natty......

Happy Birthday Charles...... Happy Birthday Haywarduck..... Happy Birthday America...... Enjoy the dsy and to all a fun and safe 4th of July.......

Seriously? Double seriously?? Absolutely void of a named source or quote from an in the room source! If no agreement was going to be struck the first to know would be GK and the comittee of 3 Presidents. First, the announcement would come from GK and the PAC 12 Conference. Not the clowns! Second the,Trojan Wire would be shouting from the highest rooftops basking in the destruction of the PAC10. I truly hate the usucks... Third, at least 1 President would have spilled the beans. Its just human nature. Fourth, the 4 corner schools would be celebrating the 4th of July in BIG12 country looking to close a deal. Has 1 President of the 4 corners made any profound, definitive announcement? And i agree with Charles! I will stick with Canzano and add Wilner to that list. They have PAC 10 insider connections and both would have published articles on this......today! Of course, we are all entitled to our feelings and opinions. Its the strength and backbone of OBDF... Want my opinion? It has no named sources, no attention seeking, click bait driven, fantasyland facts... Just this: If this is how the deal goes down then i will be one of the first to subscribe. The PAC 10 will have my support. There is no doomsday scenario on this, no matter how many people want to drive the negative. Consider this: The PAC10 is the only P5 Conference who can chart their own course. They can forge new ground. If the Networks move to streaming, well the PAC12 Network is a network. Its all dressed up and ready to broadcast, so why cant they move to a streaming subscription? Consider this: The networks need Friday and Saturday night broadcasting content. Its how the networks make money. Televising content that draws millions of fans and millions of dollars from advertisers. What could any network broadcast that would make them more money than PAC 10 CF? If in fact, our Ducks have the 7th largest following then that means millions of fans. Why wouldnt they subscribe to a PAC10 streaming service? Guess it depends on your cup! Is it half empty or half full? Forum members have a safe and fun 4th of July. Independence is a beautiful thing.......

Thanks Charles for the article. Your breakdown and analysis was on the money...... I agree with you that DL has used the portal to bring those "Freaks" in for this season. The experience and talent will be on the field for our Ducks D in 2023. Much of DL's defensive schemes require that the players Trust each other. Trust that each player will fulfill their assignment. How quickly the players gel together and build that trust will tell the 2023 story for our Ducks defense...... This unit should fit the Create Chaos Scheme better than the 2022 unit. More sacks, TFL's and turnovers ahould be the result. If this unit gets off the field on 3rd/4th down even 30% more than last year then OBD's offense will have more opportunities to blow games wide open or run out the clock. Result being more WINS... Can't wait for the season to start and see how the Freaks help lead the Ducks to a PAC title and CFP appearance. GO DUCKS......

Truly, it is difficult to tell what is going on with the PAC Conference at this time........ My thoughts, for as little as they are worth, are that NO FINAL DEAL is in place for the conference members to agree on and sign. SDSU was in a difficult spot and had to stay put for now. I foolishly got my hopes up when SDSU requested an extension. They would not have done that without some sort of information or knowledge about a deal. Their legal counsel would have needed something to hang their hat on to send that request to the MWC. As a fan/donor/fool I am embarrassed by the action/non action by the PAC. For goodness sakes we are not dealing with trade secrets or world changing events. WTH...... SDSU, may have jumped the gun on the extension request letter and thats on them. However, GK and the 10 dwarfs need to treat their fans and potential partners better. It is good business to treat others as you would like to be treated. Maybe someday we will know the back story to this on going no story. For goodness sakes act better than usc and ucla. They are not the denominator of behaviour i would aspire to.........

Thanks for all the posters for these articles. Nice to see some folks can look at this media rights negotiations with their cup half full. Who knows what is truth, fact or fiction........ As usual no names of those in the room are listed as sources. However, i must admit, I did get excited about the possibilities of a very diverse media deal with better money than the big12.... To me there are only 4 constants that are facts and feel free to share your constants: 1. Today is Thursday, June 29th, 2023. 2. Nobody knows except those in the room. 3. The PAC 10 has no annoumced media deal. 4.College football is profitable as broadcast content for the media presenters. The more content(games) the more money.... Go Ducks...........