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On 8/18/2023 at 10:57 AM, kirklandduck said:
I don't think Cal will be able to survive on $10 million like Stanford could, they don't have a similarly huge endowment of funds to dip into for several years. The B10 would have to offer both of them a decent share or at least Cal (though I don't think Stanford would like that). I could see the the B10 trying to entice Notre Dame to join if they can pull in Stanford.
Cal really has no options, their ceiling is probably $10 million. A B1G invite at a drastically reduced rate may allow them to survive until the next round, but aside from that what are their options? No chance as an independent and maybe $10 million in the MWC/AAC/Pac. I hope this doesn't happen, but if they can't figure out how to survive on that amount then they probably won't.
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OK something tells me the B1G is just not going to let Furd go to the ACC (which could potentially seal ND's eventual football conference should they forego being independent) at a bargain basement price.
I'm with you on this one FD, just offer Furd/Cal $10 million or quarter share or eighth share for that matter it's still better than what they would get in the MWC.
Then let the rodents and wazoo own the name and merge/expand with the MWC/AAC.
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On 8/17/2023 at 7:49 AM, NJDuck said:
Both Stanford and SMU are pulling out their big guns for a push to help get into the ACC. As we all know, Notre Dame is pushing hard for Stanford and Cal. I think it will be very difficult to break through the blockade of the 4 universities not wanting this to happen. Again, show me the money is the big issue. Not worth the traveling time and money it will take if this happens.
George W. Bush, Condoleeza Rice Lobbying for SMU, Stanford in Conference Realignment, per Source
https://www.si.com/college/2023/08/16/bush-rice-lobbying-smu-stanford-realignment
Stanford is 'optimistic' they can get the votes to join the ACC as soon as this week
Stanford's head coach has already expressed that the program will end up in a Power 5 conferenceIn a sense it's better for Pac survival if Furd/Cal leave IMHO. Stanford as of now is calling the shots and they're still adamant about only expanding with AAU members. It's that kind of elitism that caused the implosion of the Pac-12 in the first place.
At that point the rodents and wazoo inherit the Pac-12 name and whatever assets are left. They are then free to either merge or cherry-pick with the MWC/AAC under the Pac-12 name without regard to the now irrelevant AAU standard.
Sure it's kind of like a drummer with a famous rock band winding up with the legal rights to the name, but nonetheless it still has some value and marketability. Probably not likely, but the new conference could possibly even retain Power 5 status.
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I have both cable and streaming. My big gripe with cable is the ridiculous cost and lower resolution feeds. That said, it's much easier to channel surf for live sports, opening and closing apps is a bit of a pain.
I am a Prime member so I get their streaming service included and I pay extra for Netflix. The technical quality of both their feeds is vastly superior. I have invested a fair amount of money in my home theatre setup and the best resolution I get from Spectrum (hate them although their internet is great) is 1K. On Netflix or Prime I can get 4K feeds and watching a movie with Dolby Vision/Atmos really brings my system to life. I would love to have that for live sports. I watched a couple of the NFL feeds on Prime and the technical quality was very good but the interface is still clunky. I prefer recording with my DVR then skipping the commercials (which you can still do with Prime at least), but the fast forward function doesn't work that well.
I'd stick with cable forever probably if I had decent 4K options and a reasonable price but that seems unlikely.
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If ain't down in writing, it ain't down. Nobody really thought the Alliance had much validity other than a rallying cry against the SEC.
As for Oregon in the B1G, I agree with Log Haulin this just seemed inevitable. Lament all you want for the good old days of the Pac-12 (and beleive me I do), but college football is going through a paradigm shift and I'm just glad we're seated at the big table going forward.
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On 8/10/2023 at 2:00 PM, DanLduck said:
It depends totally on what Fox wants.
To add the 2 schools requires Fox to pay up more $$.
Also, a 20 team league really makes scheduling more difficult.
Lastly, is the Bay area really that desirable?
They lost a hockey team, a basketball team, a football team and now the baseball team wants to move to Vegas.
Attendance at the 2 schools is poor.
I would not offer them any $$.
Both schools are outstanding academic bastions of learning, but who pays to watch that?!
I pretty much agree with everyone you say, but I still feel the academics hold some sway. Fox could possibly be persuaded as an enticement to ND whom they would love to poach from NBC.
Not saying any of this makes much sense, but what in the last week has?
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Just speculating here, but at some point I can't help but think the B1G academics are going to throw Furd/Cal a lifeline (at a bargain basement price of course). Stanford doesn't need the money so they would be fine, but I guess Cal would just have to figure it out somehow (what real choice do they have?). I just don't think the ACC bid will pan out regardless of ND's advocacy.
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On 8/8/2023 at 9:33 AM, David Marsh said:
There will potentially be some openings and some reshuffling of schedules. Oregon doesn't have OOC matchups with B1G opponents anymore... And if the Beavers land in or with the MW those matchups open up.
It will probably take a few years though.
It'd be nice to have the beavers at the end of the season to at least preserve that tradition.
It also wouldn't hurt us if we are going to a conference championship game to have the beavers at the end of the year.
I would love for this to happen, but something tells me the B1G is going to want the Oregon/Washington game to take precedent.
That said a mid-season game ala the Red River Rivalry would preserve most of the tradition of the CW, although as a non-conference it just won't be the same. I'm reminiscing now, but my favorite CW of all time was the year it was all on the line, winner take all for the Rose Bowl. Watching Masoli truck the rodent safety for a fourth down conversion to allow us to run out the clock is probably my best Autzen memory.
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On 8/8/2023 at 7:55 AM, Tandaian said:
It depends on how much both schools really want to play each other. Without buyouts, they could start playing each other by 2029 in football. Every other sport is much easier to schedule games.
Oregon OSU 2024 @ Hawaii Idaho St. Idaho @ Boise St. Texas Tech Purdue Boise St. 2025 Montana St. Portland St. Oklahoma St. Fresno St. @ Boise St. @ Texas Tech 2026 Boise St. Sacramento St. @ Oklahoma St. Texas Tech Portland St. @ San Diego St. 2027 Eastern WA Portland St. @ Baylor New Mexico Utah St. @ Ole Miss 2028 North Dakota St. @ New Mexico Baylor @Utah St. 2029 @ MSU San Jose St. Utah St. 2030 MSU Ole Miss @ San Jose St. 2031 Hawaii 2032 tOSU 2033 @ tOSU I'm no lawyer so I don't know how (if at all) changing conferences affects our non-conference agreements. What I do know is that these games get rescheduled all the time.
If I'm in charge of scheduling, the first thing I do is get rid of that 2-1 series with BSU and pencil in the rodents. If that requires a buyout, then so be it.
That gives until 2027 to figure out a more permanent solution.
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Nothing but cupcakes if the B1G goes to 10 conference games.
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The engineering of the previous expansion was specifically designed to accomodate a second phase. They most likely already have those plans.
Not saying the other logistical hurdles aren't significant, but in the past those have all been overcome and I suspect that would be the case here.
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On 8/6/2023 at 1:19 PM, NJDuck said:
This was posted by Charles. A ten game schedule would change things.
Yes that would certainly change the equation, but it seems to me that divisions are gone for good regardless of how the geography works.
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Fuskies will almost certainly be our protected game in this format. I agree it's unlikely that we play USC/UCLA every year, I'm guessing every other year. So basically we have two west coast conference games, probably split home/away.
That leaves seven conference games so we'll travel for 3-4 of those. Good background from the Rutgers poster about the B1G protecting UM/tOSU, we may have to wait a while before the big dogs come to Autzen. I'm hoping we get that make-up game against tOSU, but most likely we're going to see the likes of Purdue/Indiana/Illinois/Northwestern for a while. I'm betting that we have mostly one-offs from the top-tier of the B1G in their house.
Ok none of this should be a big surprise (this is what we signed up for), but IMHO it's imperative that we play our non-conference games (other than every other year with the Beavs) at home. Screw playing Georgia in Atlanta or LSU in Jerry World, we no longer need that signature non-conference win.
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Yes absolutely. For that matter I would be fine with the rodents and wazoo, as unlikely as that may be.
UCLA would probably support Cal so they don't have to give them part of their TV payout, but I just don't see the Spoiled Children agreeing to any further B1G expansion because it might cut into their payout and their precious exclusivity. The odds of any of this happening go way down once USC gets a vote.
Cal is in a really tough spot, Furd could possibly be used to entice ND and that would give the B1G the Bay Area.
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From a northsider I'm all in, our half of the stadium is stuck in the 70s.
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Strike while the iron is hot!
Let's expand it and have 70,000 there when the first B1G power shows up.
Disclaimer though my tickets are on the north side and it sure seems like we're in poor part of town.
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In a sense he's right. If Oregon states outright that they're with Pac as long as there is a Pac AND they're willing to accept a paltry TV deal that puts them in dead last of the Power 5 AND they're willing to risk fading into obscurity in a dying conference, then the Pac would probably have survived in some (albeit barely recognizable) form.
That or take the $ and stability of the B1G in a sport destined for a Power Two format. Come on, Oram what you have done?
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On 8/4/2023 at 5:49 PM, lownslowav8r said:
Except it is not a jungle, but is a human designed system.
This system has flaws that allows a media oligopoly (the so-called linear media) have influence into areas (conference design and membership) that arguably they shouldn’t have.
This has lead to a diminished experience of sports for many of us, and financial disaster, unearned financial disaster, for the most vulnerable schools.
This human designed system is also creating record profits for a relatively narrow group of people who are isolated from the harms of their actions.
Metaphor dude.
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This is a bittersweet day for sure. The death of the Pac-12 brings me no joy, but knowing that Oregon will have a seat at the big table going forward makes me really optimistic about the future.
Once the new CFP format is announced I'm guessing 8-9 teams from the B1G/SEC to be in it every year. Throw in ND whenever they have a 10-win season and that doesn't leave much room for the rest.
The Pac-12 and college football as we once knew it is gone. Adapt or die is the law of the jungle.
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On 8/3/2023 at 9:27 AM, Tandaian said:
Clemson and South Carolina play every year. Georgia vs Georgia Tech. Florida vs FSU. Oregon and Oregon State can keep their rivalry even if they aren't in the same conference.
Of course, but this is certainly not a given at this point.
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Well little brother, in case you haven't figured this out it's now every man for himself. We didn't start this mess, we're just trying to make lemonade here.
That said I would be really bummed if when the dust settles the Civil War goes the way of the Pac-12.
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On 8/2/2023 at 12:31 PM, Jon Joseph said:
As to what would be acceptable in a revenue share from the B1G? I defer to the people instrumental in the operation of the Athletic Department but in my FWIW opinion, $40M a year with 6 teams on the west coast would warrant a move to a conference that will be one of two standing at the end of the day.
Spot on Jon, although IMHO if we could get B1G $ (with escalation to full share) comparable to B12 $ then that's still a huge win for us.
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Just do it.
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Spot on, Fox absolutely benefits from P12 dissolution. They have no interest in paying fair market value.
ESPN to me is still a bit of head-scratcher though unless they're willing to completely abandon the west coast and go all-in with the SEC.
The ACC Is Next on the Chopping Block for Conference Realignment
in Our Beloved Ducks
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As the super conferences coalesce it seems inevitable that the media giants calling the shots give the boot to programs like Rutgers and Vanderbilt. I'm really hoping this doesn't happen, but if it does it becomes a blood-bath at that point.
IMHO the only thing that saves some semblance of college football as we know it is a centralized power structure with a commissioner ala the NFL. As it stands the media giants are pitting conference against conference and there really is no recourse as it stands.
Chip's got it right, split football from the other collegiate sports (no NCAA!), appoint a commissioner and board of directors, agree on a set of NIL rules and then negotiate for media rights as a comprehensive package. Granted this is a massive undertaking, but we know what we get if we keep going down the road we're on.