Joel Klatt Breakdown of Oregon vs. Washington

[cartm25]

Great analysis here and acknowledges that Oregon still has everything in front of it in terms of goals and post-season aspirations.

 

The analysis starts at the 5:45 minute mark, and ends at the 19:00 minute mark.

 

 

[Coach Eric Boles]

Really good listen here too. 

Edited October 16, 2023 by Coach Eric Boles

[Washington Waddler]

     Klatt sounded the right note on DL’s play choice ending the 2nd quarter. It’s the kind of risk young, aggressive coaches make, and have to learn from experience to situationally temper. Everyone has to build that, “. . . now, wait a second” library in there heads in order to survive and succeed.

 

     But, you know? I’ll take a guy whose eyes tell me how determined he is to win over someone’s who don’t every time.

 

 

 

 

 

[Mic]

I guess a small consolation is Klatt's labeling the UW game "the game of the year" in the CFB so far.  At least Oregon was one of the two teams in it.  Is this a setup for Las Vegas or what?  Of course, Utah and OSU might have something to say about all that.  WSU for that matter, too.

[Drake]

After digesting the questions regarding play choice, I really would have thought a defensive coach would score whenever, and however, possible. Then trust the defense to do their job. 
 

Defense played an outstanding game, the coach trusts Nix which I can understand, but should trust his defense as well. 
 

Young $@$# coach that is learning the hard way. 

 

 

[Log Haulin]

Aggressive is what got Lanning to where he is at at such a young age. He has a vision of what he wants and doesn't hold back. Why would that change? How could that change?

 

We praise the man and stand in awe over his rapid upward trajectory through the coaching ranks. We applaud it. Lanning has many attributes that makes him different, that makes him such a great leader. Aggressiveness is one of those attributes.

 

Charles Fisher wrote the other day about being fearless, having courage. Sometimes that comes with a side of egg on face. So many praised Charles yet here we are, critical of Lanning for having courage to go and take the victory. Calling it rookie mistakes. 

 

We called Kelly "Big Balls Chip" all the way to a national title game. Now the man is Duck Legend. Yet we want to clip Lannings wings. Lanning grabed a fist full of nuts and went after it. Knowing full well that a loss ends nothing as far as season goals go. 

 

Aggressive is at Lannings foundation. Try and strip him of that and you will get a shell of a coach you should have. Long before Lanning lets anyone do that, Bama will come knocking.

 

So Joel, Josh, Phil Knight, Dan Mullens or anyone else that trys to temper Dan should tread lightly. Dan will listen take what he needs and coach this team how he sees fit.

 

Dan Lanning is aggresive and I hope he stays that way. My advice to Dan would be, "go with the girl that brung ya". Keep doing what you are doing. 

 

Go Ducks!

[woundedknees]

At least one idea is buzzing around in my head... could eat be that coach has a trust issue with the kicking game?

IMO, DL needs to get another dependable kicking specialist.

Cam Lewis is having issues right now, and it would be a huge boon to have at least a viable alternative.

[Jon Joseph]

However, if you want to be aggressive how about with 8 UW defenders in the box on 3rd down before the ill-fated 4th down play, you look for Troy downfield in a one-on-one coverage situation? 

 

The UW D-backs could not cover Troy the entire game. I think that Stein went far too conservative in the 2nd half. There were pass plays downfield; especially, with how Oregon was running the ball. 

 

I agree with other posters, the late game calls reminded me of Mari(o) vs. ironically, Bo Nix in the game in Dallas against Auburn.

 

Fortune favors the bold if the bold embraces fortune.

 

Troy outplayed the UW receivers in this game and in my humble and amateur opinion was not going to be held down later in this game except for Will Stein, had Troy had the ball more often thrown in his direction.

 

Going into a downfield shell while rolling the dice thrice does not, for me at least, compute. The guy who could win the Biletnikoff Trophy was underutilized.

Edited October 17, 2023 by Jon Joseph

[woundedknees]

In the second stanza, it seemed like, for extended times, the vaunted downfield passing game of Stein's offense simply disappeared against the fuskies.

[KCDuck1]

Aggressive, Adaptable? Yes, those two characteristics are part of DL. However, he is also a designer and an analytical thinker, and a good one. Keep thinking and preparing your/our team. This week's game (Wazzoo) will be a microcosm of last weekend's game (UW). The Ducks need better initial coverage & challenge of the deep balls.

 

Agree, Coach Stein should have called more downfield passes for Troy later in the 3rd and 4th Qtrs. On that 4th down play at the end of the 2d QTR, when Coach Stein flooded the right side of the end zone and Bo rolled to the right, Stein (or Nix) should have already sent someone forward and right, then cut to the left in the end zone. There was noone over there, and perhaps such a receiver running left against the flow might have attracted a DB; or, maybe not.

 

Get ready, and win this game! Go, Ducks!

 

VR, KCDuck1

[Mike West]

On 10/16/2023 at 5:33 PM, cartm25 said:

I'm with you on this about 95% @Log Haulin, though I have some thoughts to further discussion.

 

"Aggressive" always and in all circumstances is not good.

 

ADAPTABILITY, IMO, is the best characteristic any head coach can have. As Josh Pate expressed, a coach doesn't betray their core principles (e.g., Dan Lanning's aggressiveness) if, on occasion, they make a decision that goes against who "they are" at their core.

 

Some examples of both adaptability and lack of adaptability (some are minute points in time and others span over a career):

 

- Saban, who once referred to Oregon's offense as gimmicky during the Chip Kelly era, realized that he needed to pivot from his 3 yards and a cloud of dust philosophy. He has done so to much success.

 

- We're watching Belichick's inability, without Brady, to survive in an offensively driven NFL. Coach Bill B. can't draft a WR if his life depended on it.

 

- Mari Cristbal was/is so obsessed with physicality and running the ball that he criminally underused a potentially future Hall of Fame QB in Justin Herbert, and has now made (TWICE) the most embarrassing coaching error in recent/long-term memory . . . refusing to simply kneel down to win the game.

 

- Mark Helfrich going for 2 forever and ever. 

 

Let me state emphatically that I love how aggressive Dan Lanning is, and that he has not approached the gravity of the bad examples above.

 

BUT, perhaps the next time we have a high stakes, nationally relevant game against UW, maybe shift slightly (NOT to the end) of the more conservative side.

 

Screenshots show he was correct on trusting his Team.  The shot was there, the WR was open.  Bo didn't see it. Twice. 

 

So it's comes down to does he trust his players or not?  They didn't have a problem with it.  It's their team, not ours.

 

What I will say, is Lanning is agressive period.  He was damn aggressive on defense too.  It's his DNA.  

 

I feel like you're questioning his DNA right now.  Not that you are, it's just how I feel.

 

He needs to calibrate, that's it.  He doesn't need to change on atom.

 

And I'm certainly not going to let the players off the hook. Washington executed on their Risky fourth down shots.  Both of them.  

 

Lanning said they prepared the fourth downs all week, for obvious reasons.  They got what they looked for, failed to execute.

 

I wanted the first FG.  Changed my mind when I saw the screenshot.  Fretted the punt call, but it wouldn't matter anyway.  The analytics and the flow of the game proved that.

 

And nobody questions the call if it hits.  And nobody should as far as I'm concerned.  Life suck sometimes. Winners press on, and do their best to never have the damn situation again. 

 

He's going to do it again.  And I would too if I knew my team is capable.

 

I think enough objective heads have called it like it is.  Just my opinion.

[Log Haulin]

On 10/16/2023 at 10:19 PM, Mike West said:

And I'm certainly not going to let the players off the hook.

I see this as a great point of emphasis. That last 4th to seal the win was all player execution. The play was there. Come to think of it two of the three were there for the taking.

 

Nix got locked in. On the 4th quarter failed attempt, Franklin made an amazing play just before that last 4 down series. Nix never even looked for another option. He was locked on one guy the whole time.

 

I am going off of memory from Saturday when my emotions were ratcheting up to max volume. I can't bring myself to rewatch or watch highlights. So I could be wrong, but I think it was Franklin targeted on that last one to seal the win.

 

Franklin was a beast all game. I think Nix let some human nature creep in and he couldn't look off his target. Slightly Auburnish. I can't fault him in such a high pressure situation. 

 

Oh well, all of Oregons goals are still in front of them. As said before, this could play out to be a loss that propels Oregon into the CFP, just sucks that they need some help doing it now.

 

 

[chrisjenn99]

On 10/16/2023 at 9:20 PM, Jon Joseph said:

I think that Stein went far too conservative in the 2nd half.

This was my 4th qtr tweet:
 

 

Edited October 17, 2023 by chrisjenn99