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Jim Leavitt to USC?

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On 10/13/2021 at 8:14 AM, Charles Fischer said:

 

He's got a good gig making 8 million a year...why would he leave?

Great Question.  And why leave if you don't perform a miracle, you are out fast and your reputation is in the toilet.  Kiffen is a good coach, and he was bounced out of there. Lane has been succeeding at every stop since.  USC is a setup to fail, especially since many of the top players in so cal are going east to play college football.  I doubt that anyone could restore USC to the Pete Carroll era anytime soon. 

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On 10/13/2021 at 4:11 PM, Charles Fischer said:

 

Jon, I think you came up with a really good candidate, but I cannot help but wonder if he would not just use the LSU/USC jobs for leverage to get his contract increased?  I recall reading his story, and I believe he is an MSU guy who coached for them 20 years ago under Saban, and thus may be inclined to stay if the money is in the upper range?  (Although he went to Wisconsin)

 

These are crazy conversations, but I cannot help but wonder if a coach is better for 5.5 million at a school where they give him extra time to turn it around when they run into a bad patch, (as Notre Dame did for Brian Kelly) than go into a pressure-cooker for 8 million per year?  Crazy numbers...

 

Great points all Charles. BTW, my bad, the Prez of SC is Carol Folt, not Ford.

 

I hate to think of myself as a coward but if I could make close to the same money I think I'd prefer competing in the Pac-12 S compared to the SEC W? Ditto the B1G E? But then again there is the financial security of the B1G and the SEC to consider?

 

Hayward could be more than right about Jack del Rio? I have no idea what Jack is up to these days? Has he kept his hand in coaching?

 

I am often in error and I hope I am in error when even considering a move by USC to becoming an independent? That would not be good for Oregon or the conference.

 

He later walked it back but not so long ago Bohn brought up the idea of SC doing its own deal with NBC.

 

And you are right. These are crazy numbers! In many states the head football coach is by far the best compensated state employee.

 

I wonder what was the apogee of Knute Rockne's compensation?

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On 10/13/2021 at 5:01 PM, Jon Joseph said:

considering a move by USC to becoming an independent?

 

You strike your deal when you are the hottest....and the Trojans are not that currently.  Win big and often as they did with Pete Carrol, and then the timing makes more sense, IMHO.

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On 10/13/2021 at 5:15 PM, Haywarduck said:

It is amazing when you see a coach leave an amazing job, for his next dream job, and even more money and fail completely. What is it that drives some to their level of incompetence, so blindly?

 

It certainly can't be the money, as many of us know, there is only so much you need, and then it becomes a distraction. It must be a huge blindspot for what is important in life. Happiness and engagement are more important than just having the biggest drum to pound on. You really only end up with something useless and looking stupid. 

 

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Great take. The all-time bad move may have been Mike Price from WAZZU to Bama where he ended up never coaching a game.

 

Kiffin from Tennessee also did not work out too well. Although perhaps the worst AD in history, Pat Haden, should never have knee-jerked fired Kiffin. If Haden is not the worst, how about Lynn Swann who gave Helton a big pay raise and a huge buyout?

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On 10/13/2021 at 8:06 PM, Charles Fischer said:

 

You strike your deal when you are the hottest....and the Trojans are not that currently.  Win big and often as they did with Pete Carrol, and then the timing makes more sense, IMHO.

 

Spot on. But it is getting close to decision time on whether to continue to pledge media rights to the Pac-12 and whether to agree to take the same slice of the pie as the 11 other teams? 

 

Pledge those rights for the new media deal and you are locked in for at least 4 years?

 

SC is obviously down. But the LA market is a big draw for any media company. And even when down, SC football draws many the eyeball.

 

I think the reconstituted B12 would open the wallet large for SC, the Arizona schools and CU? Bowlsby, snubbed by The Alliance,  which I understand, might be willing to give SC a bigger piece of the pie?

 

I think OK/UT to the SEC and BYU. Cincy, UCF and Houston to the B12 will not be the final moves in this round of conference restructuring?

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On 10/13/2021 at 5:09 PM, Jon Joseph said:

 

Great take. The all-time bad move may have been Mike Price from WAZZU to Bama where he ended up never coaching a game.

 

Kiffin from Tennessee also did not work out too well. Although perhaps the worst AD in history, Pat Haden, should never have knee-jerked fired Kiffin. If Haden is not the worst, how about Lynn Swann who gave Helton a big pay raise and a huge buyout?

After Miami hired Dennis Erickson away from WSU, the next WSU coach, Mike Price, seemed like the sure bet to cure Alabama's woeful problems. I think the Price story made teams check their coaches a little better.

 

Of course there was George O'Leary's 5 day stop. One should never lie on your resume, oh well. O'Leary might have been a good fit for ND, but he only lasted 5 days.

 

Agree sc history of hiring and firing coaches isn't going to help convince a coach sc is the best job in the country.

 

I do remember our search for a new head basketball coach. We went into it thinking we were going to hire some big name. We ended up with a mid major coach and it turned out pretty good. Maybe sc will get off it's high horse and find a decent coach, nah that just isn't going to happen! 

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