FishDuck Article Administrator No. 1 Share Posted October 29 With the retirement of Nick Saban, I got to thinking about which program, if any, will replace Alabama as the school that rehabilitates formerly disgraced head coaches and resurrects their careers. Saban’s two biggest “clients,” Steve Sarkisian and Lane Kiffin, have become successful at their latest stops. A big-time potential patient for career rehabilitation would be Lincoln Riley. I foresee ... Oregon: The Next Coaching Rehabilitation Center? | FishDuck FISHDUCK.COM Darren Perkins of FishDuck.com wonders if Oregon could be the next rehabilitation center for former head coaches in need of a career resurrection. 1 1 Two Sites: FishDuck and the Our Beloved Ducks forum, The only "Forum with Decorum!" And All-Volunteer? What a wonderful community of Duck fans! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haywarduck Moderator No. 2 Share Posted October 29 Seems like we have gone from a rehabilitation center to a coaching accelerant center. We hired Lanning, an OC, instead of our standard hire an underachiever and make that coach successful template. In the past we hired the Bellotti type coaches, a losing record as head coach, and made them winners. Taggart was a loser, as was Mariø before coming to Oregon. We rehabilitated their coaching record and made them very wealthy from that success. We are now on a coaching accelerant path. Dilly was a glorified qb coach who became our OC. The next year he is a head coach. Locklyn was in charge of high school relations, position coach for one year, then our RB coach, then off to tosu for big money. I think we are seeing Oregon do what it does best, make great coaches. The good news is our head coach isn't going to fly off like Dilly and Locklyn, but we will probably see others follow them. I also see Oregon continuing to pluck guys who, on the surface, seem woefully under qualified at their coaching position hired like A'lique Terry and become fabulously successful. Stein is another who could be called under qualified to take over such a successful spot. I look for us to get away from rehabilitation, and become the spot for the hotshot young coach to jump at the chance at success. This actually started with CK, and has just now really taken hold of our program. CK is just an early warning sign for some of the coaches to be cautious about leaving, unless they just want the big paycheck, an headaches as they move along. I do hope we don't never hire a Lincoln Riley type coach and rehab him. I want to see Oregon continue to be the accelerant of young up and coming hungry coaches! We need that with the new recruiting, NIL, transfer world the Oregon Program lives in. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
30Duck No. 3 Share Posted October 29 Definitely agree about Riley, Jerry Jones wants him or Prime to be the next coach of the Cowboys, they haven't won in a long time but are always a spectacle. Starting the Lanning coaching tree is a great sign of success. Eventually, Stein will move on, but no worries, Lanning's record is the next guy is even better. How about Jordan Davis from North Texas State? Jordan Davis joined the UNT Football staff in December 2022 as Offensive Coordinator and Wide Receivers coach. Davis coordinated one of the top offenses in the American and the nation in 2023. Under his leadership, North Texas boasted one of only four offenses nationally during the regular season to include a 3,000-yard passer, a 1,000-yard rusher and a 1,000-yard receiver. UNT finished led the AAC and ranked No. 6 nationally in total offense (495.8), plus ranks of No. 12 in passing offense (304.7) and No. 21 in both rushing offense (191.2) and scoring (34.5). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kamikaze Kid Moderator No. 4 Share Posted October 29 Hard pass on Riley. Let him go back to the Big 12 where he belongs. Stein looks great with a top caliber QB behind the best O line in the country handing the ball off to elite running backs and passing to future NFL receivers, He should stay right where he's at and thank his lucky stars. He's a great OC running a great system with great players. If I were him, I wouldn't rock that boat. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Sousa No. 5 Share Posted October 29 A couple thoughts: DL wants good recruiters. His goal will never be to rehabilitate coaches, but to win championships. No matter what their upside, DL would never hire a Chip Kelly because he doesn't want to recruit. Rather than be a rehabilitator, DL wants to get young coaches with a lot of drive and good ideas... and help THEM succeed. This has been DL's MO from the beginning. He will hire an old experienced guy to help mentor the young buck (A'lique Terry), but he's not hiring the old guy to be The guy. Looking back some day, DL's coaching tree will show a multitude of great coaches that started as young, near unknowns. Some of those young bucks will not want to move on. They will like working with DL. They will like Oregon. They will like the rings. They will realize that the grass is pretty green in Oregon. There may be a lot more coaching stability in Oregon than anyone would imagine now. Dan Lanning has made it clear that he wants to stay. 1 2 3 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Marsh No. 6 Share Posted October 29 So far it doesn't look like Lanning and Oregon are the next Coaching Rebahiliation Center. Lanning has kinda gone the other direction in terms of coaching hires, going young and up-and-coming. Lupoi is an interesting one because if he wanted to at this point have a head coaching job somewhere he absolutely could have had one. Probably not Power 2 but somewhere would have taken a shot on him. I think Cal would have in their last head coaching search to be perfectly honest. For them taking Lupoi and where he was on the Saban coaching tree would be really appealing and he's an alum over going the Justin Wilcox route. But Lupoi hasn't shown any interest in a head coaching job. I think he's a continuity guy who will be at Oregon for as long as he or Lanning want him to be here. He's been here for three years at DC, that's longer than ANY of Mario Critobal's coordinators at either Oregon or Miami. And Lupoi isn't alone as there have been many other assistant coaches at Oregon for the three years of the Lanning administration. I'm sure a few of the younger guys have some head coaching aspirations so there'll be coaching movement at some point for sure, but I don't see Lanning filling spots with former head coaches at this point but younger guys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Perkins No. 7 Share Posted October 29 On 10/29/2024 at 6:23 AM, Haywarduck said: Seems like we have gone from a rehabilitation center to a coaching accelerant center. We hired Lanning, an OC, instead of our standard hire an underachiever and make that coach successful template. In the past we hired the Bellotti type coaches, a losing record as head coach, and made them winners. Taggart was a loser, as was Mariø before coming to Oregon. We rehabilitated their coaching record and made them very wealthy from that success. We are now on a coaching accelerant path. Dilly was a glorified qb coach who became our OC. The next year he is a head coach. Locklyn was in charge of high school relations, position coach for one year, then our RB coach, then off to tosu for big money. I think we are seeing Oregon do what it does best, make great coaches. The good news is our head coach isn't going to fly off like Dilly and Locklyn, but we will probably see others follow them. I also see Oregon continuing to pluck guys who, on the surface, seem woefully under qualified at their coaching position hired like A'lique Terry and become fabulously successful. Stein is another who could be called under qualified to take over such a successful spot. I look for us to get away from rehabilitation, and become the spot for the hotshot young coach to jump at the chance at success. This actually started with CK, and has just now really taken hold of our program. CK is just an early warning sign for some of the coaches to be cautious about leaving, unless they just want the big paycheck, an headaches as they move along. I do hope we don't never hire a Lincoln Riley type coach and rehab him. I want to see Oregon continue to be the accelerant of young up and coming hungry coaches! We need that with the new recruiting, NIL, transfer world the Oregon Program lives in. Thanks for your response. I would say, if it's good enough for Nick Saban it's good enough for anyone in the coaching. Certainly, there were those who had concerns about Sark and Kiffin, but they ended up bringing value to Bama. I think if the situation and personality is right, go for it. Take the best available guy out there. He's not gonna be around long anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Perkins No. 8 Share Posted October 29 On 10/29/2024 at 9:14 AM, David Marsh said: So far it doesn't look like Lanning and Oregon are the next Coaching Rebahiliation Center. Lanning has kinda gone the other direction in terms of coaching hires, going young and up-and-coming. Lupoi is an interesting one because if he wanted to at this point have a head coaching job somewhere he absolutely could have had one. Probably not Power 2 but somewhere would have taken a shot on him. I think Cal would have in their last head coaching search to be perfectly honest. For them taking Lupoi and where he was on the Saban coaching tree would be really appealing and he's an alum over going the Justin Wilcox route. But Lupoi hasn't shown any interest in a head coaching job. I think he's a continuity guy who will be at Oregon for as long as he or Lanning want him to be here. He's been here for three years at DC, that's longer than ANY of Mario Critobal's coordinators at either Oregon or Miami. And Lupoi isn't alone as there have been many other assistant coaches at Oregon for the three years of the Lanning administration. I'm sure a few of the younger guys have some head coaching aspirations so there'll be coaching movement at some point for sure, but I don't see Lanning filling spots with former head coaches at this point but younger guys. Thanks. I say go with the best and brightest regardless whether a young, up and comer or a former head coach. The best fit. Lupoi is interesting, I think with this new age of NIL and head coaching stress, more guys, like Kelly, with sit back and just be coordinators. It's much more comfortbable and you're still getting paid 7 figures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Perkins No. 9 Share Posted October 29 On 10/29/2024 at 7:29 AM, The Kamikaze Kid said: Hard pass on Riley. Let him go back to the Big 12 where he belongs. Stein looks great with a top caliber QB behind the best O line in the country handing the ball off to elite running backs and passing to future NFL receivers, He should stay right where he's at and thank his lucky stars. He's a great OC running a great system with great players. If I were him, I wouldn't rock that boat. I hear ya, just be a coordinator, make good money, way less strees, BUT ambition gets a lot of them. Riley is a great offensive mind and has coached Heisman winners (3), so that would be a selling point to a lot of players. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Perkins No. 10 Share Posted October 29 On 10/29/2024 at 6:44 AM, 30Duck said: Definitely agree about Riley, Jerry Jones wants him or Prime to be the next coach of the Cowboys, they haven't won in a long time but are always a spectacle. Starting the Lanning coaching tree is a great sign of success. Eventually, Stein will move on, but no worries, Lanning's record is the next guy is even better. How about Jordan Davis from North Texas State? Jordan Davis joined the UNT Football staff in December 2022 as Offensive Coordinator and Wide Receivers coach. Davis coordinated one of the top offenses in the American and the nation in 2023. Under his leadership, North Texas boasted one of only four offenses nationally during the regular season to include a 3,000-yard passer, a 1,000-yard rusher and a 1,000-yard receiver. UNT finished led the AAC and ranked No. 6 nationally in total offense (495.8), plus ranks of No. 12 in passing offense (304.7) and No. 21 in both rushing offense (191.2) and scoring (34.5). Sounds good to me! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MicroBurst61 No. 11 Share Posted October 29 Interesting takes on the current and future coaching tree/changes developing under the DL era. I think we will Always see high football IQ guys come and go under Lanning, but the "relationship" expectations will always be pivotal in DL's coaching hires. Regardless on the paths and directions coaching OBD takes over the next decade and into the future, it is good to read that fans are coming to terms with the fact that a successful NFL-lite football program is naturally going to have coaching turnover. Ours is just going to be....Elite! Go Ducks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirklandduck Moderator No. 12 Share Posted October 29 It would be hilarious and delicious irony if Riley ended up as an Oregon OC in the future lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
idontrollonshobbas No. 13 Share Posted October 29 Jerry Jones and Deion Sanders truly deserve each other 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Moderator No. 14 Share Posted October 30 Thank you, Darren. Another terrific read. Riley was roundly chastized today for not running the clock and closing out Rutgers. He kept passing the ball, and burning no clock. Riley's play calling led to four late 4th quarter Rutgers possessions, at least two of which should not have happened. My guess. Riley negotiates a lower exit fee with USC and becomes a highly paid play caller in the NFL. He does not have head coach coaching chops and he is OK (yuck, yuck) at recruiting skill players but not LOS guys. But I don't know if the recruiting bumbling rests solely with Riley. When Pete Carroll first arrived there was not a pro football team in LA. Now, there are two NFL teams. And SC refused to fire Helton for so long I think many Trojans fans said 'heck with it.' With the academic standards raised at SC, how many students are all in on football? The 'crowd' for the Rutgers game looked like a home game at Stanford. Dan Lanning has support from the top down and from fired up students, Phil, and other boosters, alumni and folks who enjoy the program. Folks across the country and around the world follow the Ducks. But this did not happen without a plan that included insightful investment in brilliant marketing. It took Harbaugh 5 seasons before he defeated Ohio State. Harbaugh may have been the only coach with the gravitas to tell Michigan's administration that he was going to do it his way and to stay out of the way. Is there a coach out there who can do the same at USC? Stein will get a bigger gig, perhaps in the B1G. Rather than going rehab-style, I imagine Dan already has his eyes on assistants in the G5 and P5 who are killing it. It worked for Penn State this season. Kansas could not match PSU's Ks and the PSU O has stepped up with the hire of OC Andy Kotelnicki, and Kansas is one of the most disappointing teams in CFB. Thanks again, Darren. MASH MICHIGAN MOORE + MOORE! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
30Duck No. 15 Share Posted October 30 On 10/29/2024 at 5:09 PM, Jon Joseph said: I think many Trojans fans said 'heck with it.' With the academic standards raised at SC, how many students are all in on football? Trojans fans and Cal & Stanford fans are not all that different, nor are Lakers, Rams and Dodgers. Chargers and Clippers will always be step kids. All due respect to McKay and Robinson, at that time and same for Carroll, it didn't take a lot to recruit to USC. Carroll's coaching strategy was to get the ball to Reggie Bush. He did see the end coming and went to the NFL. Since then, not nearly enough W's to keep the front running LA fans interested. When the Trojans are The Show! the fans are there. They did make the right decision, picking Riley, Lanning wouldn't work at USC. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
